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I wouldn’t worry about it too much.

I do get where you’re coming from, but all that can be easily dialled back with a crisis of confidence. Knock her down several pegs following a failed personal challenge/interest. See her human side come out, where she decides it’s better to focus on one area and truly excel, then move on to the next.

This lets the other crew members play a larger role.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I wouldn’t worry about it too much.

I do get where you’re coming from, but all that can be easily dialled back with a crisis of confidence. Knock her down several pegs following a failed personal challenge/interest. See her human side come out, where she decides it’s better to focus on one area and truly excel, then move on to the next.

If committing mutiny and being responsible for the deaths of thousands of starfleet personnel as a result (not to mention indirectly responsible for millions of other Federation citizen deaths in the subsequent months) wasn't enough of a crisis of confidence in the writer's eyes to humble her character for more than just a few episodes in season one, I'm not sure anything will work. She's just that badly written of a character and that's the fault of the writers and showrunners (not the actress).

If Burnham hadn't pulled the trigger on the war the Klingons would have. They weren't exactly there to schmooze. I think a better criticism would be that the start of the war would have been more impactful and tragic if the war wasn't inevitable; instead we got the Klingon Klux Klan. Imagine if the Klingons didn't actually want the war but Burnham, and by extension the Federation, pulled the trigger anyway because of fear.

 warboss wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I wouldn’t worry about it too much.

I do get where you’re coming from, but all that can be easily dialled back with a crisis of confidence. Knock her down several pegs following a failed personal challenge/interest. See her human side come out, where she decides it’s better to focus on one area and truly excel, then move on to the next.

If committing mutiny and being responsible for the deaths of thousands of starfleet personnel as a result (not to mention indirectly responsible for millions of other Federation citizen deaths in the subsequent months) wasn't enough of a crisis of confidence in the writer's eyes to humble her character for more than just a few episodes in season one, I'm not sure anything will work. She's just that badly written of a character and that's the fault of the writers and showrunners (not the actress).

I disagree. She knew her course of action could’ve avoided the war. And for now, she’s arrogant enough to continue down the path of ‘but I know best’.

Let something properly blow up in her face. Let one her plans go catastrophically wrong, and get people killed or maimed (maimed might be better) because she was so convinced she knew best. Make the deciding factor in that plan being chosen her own reputation. Give her something to properly chew over.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
If Burnham hadn't pulled the trigger on the war the Klingons would have. They weren't exactly there to schmooze. I think a better criticism would be that the start of the war would have been more impactful and tragic if the war wasn't inevitable; instead we got the Klingon Klux Klan. Imagine if the Klingons didn't actually want the war but Burnham, and by extension the Federation, pulled the trigger anyway because of fear.

Yeah, my biggest gripe with Disco so far is how thematically jingoistic it all started. Also there has to be some sort of fight every episode which I find tedious.

Both sides not wanting war sounds too much like traditional Star Trek and so far I get the impression that writers don't actualky like Star Trek, so are doing their own thing.

My take away from the start of Disco was that the Klingons were going to start the war because they hated the weak humans and their whole we come in peace thing. Michael’s plan of shoot first could have actually worked to prevent it, but she was stopped from carrying it out.

 StygianBeach wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
If Burnham hadn't pulled the trigger on the war the Klingons would have. They weren't exactly there to schmooze. I think a better criticism would be that the start of the war would have been more impactful and tragic if the war wasn't inevitable; instead we got the Klingon Klux Klan. Imagine if the Klingons didn't actually want the war but Burnham, and by extension the Federation, pulled the trigger anyway because of fear.

Yeah, my biggest gripe with Disco so far is how thematically jingoistic it all started. Also there has to be some sort of fight every episode which I find tedious.

Both sides not wanting war sounds too much like traditional Star Trek and so far I get the impression that writers don't actualky like Star Trek, so are doing their own thing.

No fights in either Episode one or Two of Season Two? The whole of Season One was about the Federation-Kilngon war so yeah...

Also not like "traditional" Star Trek - have you watched the Original Series -

 Mr Morden wrote:

 StygianBeach wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
If Burnham hadn't pulled the trigger on the war the Klingons would have. They weren't exactly there to schmooze. I think a better criticism would be that the start of the war would have been more impactful and tragic if the war wasn't inevitable; instead we got the Klingon Klux Klan. Imagine if the Klingons didn't actually want the war but Burnham, and by extension the Federation, pulled the trigger anyway because of fear.

Yeah, my biggest gripe with Disco so far is how thematically jingoistic it all started. Also there has to be some sort of fight every episode which I find tedious.

Both sides not wanting war sounds too much like traditional Star Trek and so far I get the impression that writers don't actualky like Star Trek, so are doing their own thing.

No fights in either Episode one or Two of Season Two? The whole of Season One was about the Federation-Kilngon war so yeah...

Also not like "traditional" Star Trek - have you watched the Original Series -

I plan on watching season 2 of Disco after I get through Mr robot.

Season 1's Federation-Kilngon war was no excuse for the forced fight scene every episode.

If you are implying that season 2 is more like TOS then I look forward to watching it because apart from the 180 tone switch (away from Jingoism) from the last episode of season 1, I did not get a Star Trek vibe from Disco.

 StygianBeach wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 StygianBeach wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
If Burnham hadn't pulled the trigger on the war the Klingons would have. They weren't exactly there to schmooze. I think a better criticism would be that the start of the war would have been more impactful and tragic if the war wasn't inevitable; instead we got the Klingon Klux Klan. Imagine if the Klingons didn't actually want the war but Burnham, and by extension the Federation, pulled the trigger anyway because of fear.

Yeah, my biggest gripe with Disco so far is how thematically jingoistic it all started. Also there has to be some sort of fight every episode which I find tedious.

Both sides not wanting war sounds too much like traditional Star Trek and so far I get the impression that writers don't actualky like Star Trek, so are doing their own thing.

No fights in either Episode one or Two of Season Two? The whole of Season One was about the Federation-Kilngon war so yeah...

Also not like "traditional" Star Trek - have you watched the Original Series -

I plan on watching season 2 of Disco after I get through Mr robot.

Season 1's Federation-Kilngon war was no excuse for the forced fight scene every episode.

If you are implying that season 2 is more like TOS then I look forward to watching it because apart from the 180 tone switch (away from Jingoism) from the last episode of season 1, I did not get a Star Trek vibe from Disco.

No - more that fighting takes place in most OS episodes - maybe Next Gen has less - I can't recall, there is a reason that the old song had "We come in peace - shoot to kill"

Most tv shows have some action for the audience somewhere - especially sci-fi?

I have my own issues with ST: but having a fight is not one of them

Two very meh episodes for me opening Season 2.
Especially the second where they literally shoe horned in a Prime Directive episode - why break with ST tradition huh? Ho hum.
Whats worse was the humans they encountered couldnt have been more boring - I simply didnt care if they got nuked.

E1 was too drawn out - the whole descending to the stranded ship seemed like one big excuse to show off their CGI budget and there was a whole lot of not-so-interesting sub character angles that could have been left on the editing suite floor.

Will need a vast improvement to get back to S1s enjoyment and hold my attention,

I think Orks are the cooler psychic space fungus.

Not a bad third episode mostly because



If I was one of the other officer candidates - i 'd be wondering why they are even bothering to rest Tilly - whatever she does she is going to be given a pass by the senior officers. She could shoot people in the head and just get a "Ohh Tilly" If its competative - no one else should bother.

Klingons get hair "back" -

I really enjoyed the third episode.

Nice to see some callback to Season 1, and it's ending. I'm also interested to see where they go with Tilly's 'friend'.

Might need to give it a second watch.

How fast can Tilly run?! She full out stops for a bit to argue with her not-so-imaginary friend, and still comes back to win the race!

Well, if the others were jogging, and she used the brief period of recovery for a sprint finish?

Well I give every series 3 episodes at least in order to pull me in, so far my bias towards star trek has let this crap keep me for a season and 3 episodes....

This series is crap, the writing is crap, the actors are crap and a series perfect for all that modern sjw stuff and they can't even get that right.

Seriously how can any of you call this trash good? Are you new to trek? Do you have low standards? Do you not notice the problems? Do you just ignore them?

Im annoyed because trek is my favourite show, and all I see is this getting cancelled and having to wait another decade for a new series.

Or we just have different opinions and that?

 Formosa wrote:
Well I give every series 3 episodes at least in order to pull me in, so far my bias towards star trek has let this crap keep me for a season and 3 episodes....

This series is crap, the writing is crap, the actors are crap and a series perfect for all that modern sjw stuff and they can't even get that right.

Seriously how can any of you call this trash good? Are you new to trek? Do you have low standards? Do you not notice the problems? Do you just ignore them?

Im annoyed because trek is my favourite show, and all I see is this getting cancelled and having to wait another decade for a new series.

Different people like different stuff ? I have watched all the Trek and this is actually pretty good - IMO.

Its far suprior to most of Voyager, Enterprise and early Next Gen (Seriously that is really awful) but I also do find issues

eg: Most of the time they might as well call it Star Trek: Tilly and Burnham as no one else matters or can do anything,
Pike is bascially junior officer to Burnham
Till gets a pass whatever she does and yep she should have finished last - plus all the senior staff go out of their way to praise her all the time. On a military ship how is she allowed to be that fat with no explanation? If it was next gen - no issues as they have civiliansm but this is a military ship.
Burnham is just the bestest ever - all the time....

On the other hand:

When Pike actually gets to do stuff he is cool and like his way of thinking.
Klingons getting back to nromal, interesting interactions - is
The Emperor and Section 31 are always great
The rest of the crew are to me much more interesting than T and B
It looks good.

fair enough i dont mean to crap on you guys/gals, just frustrated at how bad this show has been so far, I was hoping this season would be different but its more of the same crap.

Personally I've been loving it.

Apart from Tilly being plump for someone in the military what "modern SJW" crimes is Discovery guilty of?

 Souleater wrote:
Apart from Tilly being plump for someone in the military what "modern SJW" crimes is Discovery guilty of?

nothing really major, this isnt star wars, it isnt marvel etc. its star trek and such things belong in star trek and always kinda have been in star trek, if anything its the creators that have cocked up, trying to claim diversity when trek has always been full of diversity, sisko, dax, TOS cast, Voyager etc. etc. every trope they have claimed to cater to has been done before in trek, Burnam is basically just female Wesley but much much more annoying due to script.

Basically they want credit for being the first to bring it to trek and are ignoring all that came before them, a thing that shows very clearly in this series.

What an episode this week! Classic Trek vibes, some amazing character work from Saru, Stamets and Burnham especially, brilliant script and those last 10 minutes were... intense, to say the least.

BIG spoilers:

 Formosa wrote:

 Souleater wrote:
Apart from Tilly being plump for someone in the military what "modern SJW" crimes is Discovery guilty of?

nothing really major, this isnt star wars, it isnt marvel etc. its star trek and such things belong in star trek and always kinda have been in star trek, if anything its the creators that have cocked up, trying to claim diversity when trek has always been full of diversity, sisko, dax, TOS cast, Voyager etc. etc. every trope they have claimed to cater to has been done before in trek, Burnam is basically just female Wesley but much much more annoying due to script.

Basically they want credit for being the first to bring it to trek and are ignoring all that came before them, a thing that shows very clearly in this series.

It's like when Ubisoft tries to claim "Oh look we're so diverse" with Assassins Creed Odyssey despite doing literally all the same thing in Syndicate. Modern Media companies are relying on the fact most people don't remember past 5 seconds ago and try and appeal to a crowd that wasn't interested in your show to begin with.

STD couldn't have the first Black Captain, or the first Female Captain, so they had to try and push the Black AND Female Captain angle. Next we'll have the first Black Female Captain who has 6 toes on her left foot, or other more specific and meaningless garbage.

They could have had the first ALIEN captain goddamit!

The more the show progresses, the more Saru become the more interesting character in the entire show.

Don’t argue with Michael. She’s always right and disagreeing with her increases your chances of death ten fold.

I was really unsure if they were going to go thru with it on Suru (Saru? I don’t actually know how you spell his name...) or not. I was just like there’s no way they’d off him, he too “main”. But they Have been kind of pushing their new token alien guy more... This is going way down to the wire... Aaaaaaaaaaand last second save.

Hurrah!



Not a bad episode - I thought they had a B5 crossover for a second.....

 Souleater wrote:
Apart from Tilly being plump for someone in the military what "modern SJW" crimes is Discovery guilty of?

But Starfleet isn’t military? And Tilly is a scientist?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Souleater wrote:
Apart from Tilly being plump for someone in the military what "modern SJW" crimes is Discovery guilty of?

But Starfleet isn’t military? And Tilly is a scientist?

Has a military structure, has military training, has exclusive access to military grade weaponry, has military grade starships, some of which are clearly warships like the Enterprise (a constitution class cruiser designed for war), Starfleet does not think of itself as a military, everyone else sees it for what it is though, a military.

Tilly remains a Scientist though, and not a Soldier?

She's also demonstrably physically fit, so should a bit of lard really matter when she can win a shipboard marathon?