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2025/10/31 03:45:50
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Let me put on the asbestos suit before I say this but...
Disco gets better after the time jump and season 4.
Not quite good, but so much better.
It totally does. I actually think the worst ST Series is Picard. I guess that's my hot take.
Please excuse my Old Man Voice but you at apparently far too young to remember the horrors of ST The Animated Series.
Do you like recycled animation? Overwrought voice acting? Painfully terribad music? And occasional hints of potential that stop you from turning this off forever?
V'ger is bad, Enterprise forgettable, Disco a train wreck, but only TAS caused me physical and emotional pain only enhanced by the fact that it involved many of the same actors and creators, including the original cast!
It was clearly not just the worst animated Trek, not just the worst Trek but among the worst things I ever watched.
Of course I'm not counting Star Trek Scouts, because that... that degrades humanity as a whole.
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Chief Deputy Sub Assistant Trainee Squig Handling Intern
Orville. It’s that smug git that brought us The Simpsons But With Swearing, The Simpsons But With Swearing 2, Teddy Ruxpin But With Swearing.
I cannot stand him. I watch the first couple of episodes of The Orville, and all I remember is his idiot, moronic, hack face standing slack jawed until it’s time for his line. And it was indeed…..Star Trek/Galactic Quest But With Swearing.
Because he’s so talented and original.
Lower Decks I can’t get past the terrible character design and awful voice acting.
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I know I’m way behind on Star Trek, watching series one of Strange New Worlds, but I find it amusing that one piece of ST law they thought worthy of mining was Sybok!
2025/11/07 17:34:06
Subject: Re:Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
I kinda wish they brought back Andromeda, instead of forcing us to watch the most unlikable crew in the history of the Federation.
At least the Mirror Universe guys had a personality.
BorderCountess wrote: Just because you're doing something right doesn't necessarily mean you know what you're doing...
"Vulkan: There will be no Rad or Phosphex in my legion. We shall fight wars humanely. Some things should be left in the dark age." "Ferrus: Oh cool, when are you going to stop burning people to death?" "Vulkan: I do not understand the question."
– A conversation between the X and XVIII Primarchs
2025/11/07 18:39:57
Subject: Re:Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
BorderCountess wrote: Just because you're doing something right doesn't necessarily mean you know what you're doing...
"Vulkan: There will be no Rad or Phosphex in my legion. We shall fight wars humanely. Some things should be left in the dark age." "Ferrus: Oh cool, when are you going to stop burning people to death?" "Vulkan: I do not understand the question."
– A conversation between the X and XVIII Primarchs
2025/11/08 02:34:39
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
I thought that as well but it doesn't look nearly as bad in the videos, such as in this hands on review. Some discussion about the previous brick company that had the license talked about how they were nice but required supports whereas this thing not only doesn't need supports the saucer and body separate with no issues. Some serious design work went into it. I'm not buying it but I think it is kind of neat. It is still block, because LEGO, but not as bad as pictures make it out to be.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2025/11/10 18:57:17
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Well not being JJ is a boon but honestly I don't know quite where they'd go with a new Trek film.
The classic series are basically a no go. TNG already left us several times and Picard series also gives them yet another ending. DS9 and Voyager strike me as actor/creative teams that won't come back together plus we've lost several very key actors.
Enterprise and a lot of the series that follow I feel don't quite have a unified audience to really pull in for a film - plus things like Discovery and such are very messy and highly polarising.
So it feels like a film would work best with a new cast; a prequel could be done but by heck are they generally messy. Plus we already have prequels of Original series going on. TNG, Voyager and DS9 were all fairly new crews setting up anyway and whilst you could argue that you could do a TNG you'd be missing a chunk of the key character cast unless they do that "Well they actually all met before and had many adventures and saved the universe and then forgot about it/alternate timeline funky stuff
I feel like something fresh set after the Picard series would be nice to see, perhaps a film that opens up into a new TV series type deal with a freshish crew. Just not pushing into prequel or "we went stupidly far forward in time".
I still don't get why creative writers today seem to think of the ST universe as being in some kind of "completed story and explored" state. Voyager hardly explored much of the Delta Quadrant and DS9 didn't really touch much of their alternate Quadrant either. Mostly just a little bit around the Wormhole - there's huge areas to explore there.
Or if they REALLY want a fresh slate use that trans-galactic wormhole from season 2 of Picard
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Personally I would say new ship, new crew, post Picard era.
Writing for TV and movies is different, in TV you need a deep bench of characters because you have 25 episodes to fill, in a movie they end up sidelined because you've only got 2 hours.
So do it from the ground up with your crew of like 3 main characters and 4-5 supporting characters.
Just my 2 Federation Credits.
2025/11/16 15:52:26
Subject: Re:Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
I think we need one set in the Lost Era between Kirk and Picard.
I'd love to know what happened to the Enterprise-B.
BorderCountess wrote: Just because you're doing something right doesn't necessarily mean you know what you're doing...
"Vulkan: There will be no Rad or Phosphex in my legion. We shall fight wars humanely. Some things should be left in the dark age." "Ferrus: Oh cool, when are you going to stop burning people to death?" "Vulkan: I do not understand the question."
– A conversation between the X and XVIII Primarchs
2025/11/16 16:16:46
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Honestly I don't want anything between Kirk and Picard - cause you just know they will want to throw some whole Federation level threat that just feels forced in that never gets referenced again following it.
Post Picard tv series works best - you can do stuff fresh and it doesn't impact the core stories nor settings.
I'd love to see a continuation of Seven getting her own ship+crew and such and at least it would have some characters we know to start the film off.
Overread wrote: Honestly I don't want anything between Kirk and Picard - cause you just know they will want to throw some whole Federation level threat that just feels forced in that never gets referenced again following it.
Post Picard tv series works best - you can do stuff fresh and it doesn't impact the core stories nor settings.
I'd love to see a continuation of Seven getting her own ship+crew and such and at least it would have some characters we know to start the film off.
Or they'll throw in a "surprise cameo" a la Marvel movies to strongly hint at either Old Kirk or Young Picard showing up.
2025/11/16 22:55:50
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Why stop there - Section 31 resurrects and clones copies of the greatest captains! Pike, Kirk, Sisco, Picard, Janeway - all resurrected alongside their respective seconds,
So we also get Spock, McCoy, Riker, Kira, Chakotay.
All put onto a single ship to deal with the BorgQ threat - a Q that got infested by a Borg and is thus causing all kinds of timeline/temportal madness whilst in a weakened state after its recent corruption.
BorderCountess wrote: Just because you're doing something right doesn't necessarily mean you know what you're doing...
"Vulkan: There will be no Rad or Phosphex in my legion. We shall fight wars humanely. Some things should be left in the dark age." "Ferrus: Oh cool, when are you going to stop burning people to death?" "Vulkan: I do not understand the question."
– A conversation between the X and XVIII Primarchs
2025/11/17 13:49:22
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Zed wrote: *All statements reflect my opinion at this moment. if some sort of pretty new model gets released (or if I change my mind at random) I reserve the right to jump on any bandwagon at will.
2025/11/17 14:00:23
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Zed wrote: *All statements reflect my opinion at this moment. if some sort of pretty new model gets released (or if I change my mind at random) I reserve the right to jump on any bandwagon at will.
2025/11/17 19:30:19
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
[DCM]
Chief Deputy Sub Assistant Trainee Squig Handling Intern
Just rewatched The Measure of a Man. Not just an episode from the season TNG Grew Its Beard, but actually the episode It Grew Its Beard.
Picard’s moment, when through Guinean’s careful prodding, he finds the surprisingly glaring issues in the prosecutions case is just about perfect.
As a story of Futurism, and when AI kinda loses the A part? It works.
As a story about racism? It works.
It’s a truly powerful episode. Sure the writing doesn’t delve too deeply, but then they’ve 45 minutes of screen time to get the message done. And boy did they!
I think you probably could’ve done it with Kirk, but to a lesser degree. Because it’s Patrick Stewart’s tone and absolutely smouldering anger at Maddox that really makes this land.
Kirk I feel would’ve looked smug. Picard looks vindicated. Where Kirk would see it as a personal victory, Picard sees it as a victory for a nascent species.
Not a criticism of Shatner like. Because boy did Trek mature at this point. Only a character comment.
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To me, the ultimate point of maturity of Trek comes in Chain of Command, when you learn that Gul Madred really did break Picard and Picard admits to seeing 5 lights at the end of the episode.
That was a wow moment that you never saw in TV up to that point.
BorderCountess wrote: Just because you're doing something right doesn't necessarily mean you know what you're doing...
"Vulkan: There will be no Rad or Phosphex in my legion. We shall fight wars humanely. Some things should be left in the dark age." "Ferrus: Oh cool, when are you going to stop burning people to death?" "Vulkan: I do not understand the question."
– A conversation between the X and XVIII Primarchs
2025/11/17 19:54:29
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
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Chain of Command rivals In The Pale Moonlight for me in terms of thought provoking quality.
CoC of course came first, and in its later stages is pretty much a Two Man Stage Show between two very accomplished Shakespearean actors. That the B Plot is also really good is very impressive.
Pale Moonlight however goes that little bit deeper, delving into exactly where The Federation might draw the moral line. Made all the more fascinating when Garak calls Sisko out on his BS, to his face…..and Sisko has no answer - because Garak is absolutely right.
Not just in his brutal calculus, but why Sisko chose to involve him in the first place.
Which echos Sisko’s chronologically earlier comment on “It’s easy to be a Saint in paradise”.
Which is an undershared scene, and a poignant one in the modern world.
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Lathe Biosas wrote: I think we need one set in the Lost Era between Kirk and Picard.
I'd love to know what happened to the Enterprise-B.
Yes, that could be intererting. Their only claim to fame is that the famous Admiral Kirk was killed on their shakedown run. That's got to be tramatizing and a bad omen. They could start off the series with everyone thinking the ship is cursed and having difficulty recruiting crew.
2025/11/17 22:51:07
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Trek is Futurism. For my money? The rot really set in with Enterprise and its mission to fill in the blanks in the least interesting way possible.
Discovery is guilty of many, many sins. But one thing it did do right, kinda, was the massive time jump. And having writers incompetent enough to not really even hint at any in-between events.
So series following on from Picard S3 still have a blank slate. A slate which can refer to and reflect modern anxieties and moral quandaries. Because that is where Trek finds its real strength. And DS9 showed the setting and story telling can indeed bear some grey areas there, provided the Captain (so not you, Janeway. Sorry Kate Mulgrew, we know it’s not you at fault) is able to articulate their reasoning on screen.
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Trek is Futurism. For my money? The rot really set in with Enterprise and its mission to fill in the blanks in the least interesting way possible.
Discovery is guilty of many, many sins. But one thing it did do right, kinda, was the massive time jump. And having writers incompetent enough to not really even hint at any in-between events.
So series following on from Picard S3 still have a blank slate. A slate which can refer to and reflect modern anxieties and moral quandaries. Because that is where Trek finds its real strength. And DS9 showed the setting and story telling can indeed bear some grey areas there, provided the Captain (so not you, Janeway. Sorry Kate Mulgrew, we know it’s not you at fault) is able to articulate their reasoning on screen.
Ok. So if we want to copy the success of Deep Space Nine, we need to find a nicely written show and then rip off all the story beats for the next 4 years...
That was the DS9 formula.
Miss an episode of Babylon 5? Just watch it when it repeats six months later as a DS9 episode.
BorderCountess wrote: Just because you're doing something right doesn't necessarily mean you know what you're doing...
"Vulkan: There will be no Rad or Phosphex in my legion. We shall fight wars humanely. Some things should be left in the dark age." "Ferrus: Oh cool, when are you going to stop burning people to death?" "Vulkan: I do not understand the question."
– A conversation between the X and XVIII Primarchs
