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 Jadenim wrote:

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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Financial issues are never good news for science fiction shows.

A new season of Survive the Love Island of Real Housewives-Celebrity Edition costs a 10th as much and may make more money.

Ah well. Alas 2010s Trek wave.

So how is Foundation over at Apple TV?

IMO Foundation is a really interesting interpretation of the very slim and very dry volumes that most of us are familiar with.

Some really good characters, twists and ideas - so not Discovery

Agree. I like it and the production values are amazing. Lately, the show has too much "magic", for lack of a better term, in it for me. The Cleons though are one of the most interesting concepts I've seen in sci-fi.

It’s good enough to warrant me taking out an Apple TV subscription for a month or two every time there’s a new season. It’s more cerebral than emotional (not saying that it’s especially clever, just the vibe), but I’ve enjoyed it, and it has some very different and interesting elements. Also high production values and a very solid cast.

Same. My favorite sci-fi show on Apple is For All Makind. I get my 1 month of Apple for that but make sure to get Foundation in there as second priority. I think Apple is trying to carve out a spot as a place for Sci-Fi.

Used Prime’s info thing when watching DS9. I didn’t realise just how tall the crew are.

Dax and Sisko are both 6’+. Even Kira is 5’8”.

Normally stars of the screen aren’t all that tall.

Finished the first season of Academy. Really ended up enjoying it and the characters. Was good fun.

Is it wrong that I'm more excited for the return of The Orville than I am for any current Star Trek production?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Is it wrong that I'm more excited for the return of The Orville than I am for any current Star Trek production?

I consider Orville just another Star Trek so no? But while I do enjoy it quite a bit I do think that SNW is my favorite current show in that genre and I'd probably put Orville above Academy but I also wouldn't generally compare them since their premises are kinda opposite ends of the spectrum.

STAR TREK starfleet Academy Cancelled.


Read Alex Kurtzman’s letter to fans here:

https://variety.com/2026/tv/news/star-trek-starfleet-academy-canceled-season-2-1236696816/

Well that’s a shame. It was genuinely enjoyable.

Still, the cast are young so there’s plenty potential for them to pass out, and we can join them further into their careers.

Yeah, I figured it was coming with the shut down of Star Trek shows but it's still disappointing.

Though, and this is not a slight against Academy? If it’s ultimately replace with the New Generation Adventures of Seven of Nine, I’d be pretty happy.

Because I’m really not a fan of farting about with timelines for the sake of initially lazy writers.

The three films get something of a pass there, as alternate timeline gave the writers more freedom in the face of what can be a nitpicky fandom. Can’t have canon clashes in an alternate timeline. Just a shame the second film was so crap.

But Disco? Just no. Started as a prequel providing boring answers to questions nobody cared about, then catapulted into a future setting the writers didn’t have the talent to really pull off.

Academy though I really liked. It ain’t perfect, but it’s Trek to its very soul.

Hehehe. I said pull off.

Just do one last playing around with the timeline and fix the mess the Picard series has created with its crappy federation and Starfleet being half dead - and then start a series from that fixed timeline and just finally show us what we want to see - just a continuation of the post- Nemesis era. Prodigy did it already quite nicely, but they played around in the Delta quadrant mostly, while Lower Decks was careful in not touching the big politics.
If you don't want to hire bad Disco writers just turn the Lit-verse into a series...

DS9 S3 E10 Fascination

The one in which Lwzanna Troi gets some of the staff all horny for inappropriate partners.

Wasn’t much of a fan of Lwxanna in TNG, but transposed to DS9 she’s more enjoyable. It may be due to the absence of Troi, and the almost Eddie and Sapphie from Absolutely Fabulous dynamic, and her being genuinely sweet with Odo.

I dunno. He stories are just more interesting here. Still fillers overall.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Just do one last playing around with the timeline and fix the mess the Picard series has created with its crappy federation and Starfleet being half dead - and then start a series from that fixed timeline and just finally show us what we want to see - just a continuation of the post- Nemesis era. Prodigy did it already quite nicely, but they played around in the Delta quadrant mostly, while Lower Decks was careful in not touching the big politics.
If you don't want to hire bad Disco writers just turn the Lit-verse into a series...

For me it'd be "Let's take Strange New Worlds and continue from there."


It'd have me in my happy spot and wouldn't invalidate TNG at all.

The weird thing about the Star Fleet Academy cancellation is there will still be a second season. Why cancel it before its aired? Maybe the second season will do better?


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 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Is it wrong that I'm more excited for the return of The Orville than I am for any current Star Trek production?

No! Orville's finally coming back!?

Well, there is new Trek for its talentless hack of a creator to rip off in lieu of having any kind of original thought.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
The weird thing about the Star Fleet Academy cancellation is there will still be a second season. Why cancel it before its aired? Maybe the second season will do better?


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 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Is it wrong that I'm more excited for the return of The Orville than I am for any current Star Trek production?

No! Orville's finally coming back!?

Yep. They announced they are going to br making another season!

So more Orville and Stargate in our future.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
The weird thing about the Star Fleet Academy cancellation is there will still be a second season. Why cancel it before its aired? Maybe the second season will do better?


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 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Is it wrong that I'm more excited for the return of The Orville than I am for any current Star Trek production?

No! Orville's finally coming back!?

My understanding is that they filmed both of the first two seasons back to back and had it contracted to have a second season already. The best part is the showrunner let it slip that the second season ends on a cliffhanger as they were THAT confident the show would continue. I'm wondering how fast they'll have to do reshoots...

The rumor that's been going around, completely unverified but coming from Red Letter Media so it's being taken sort of seriously on face value, is that Academy only had 400,000 views for the entire season. Completely unverified. Maybe not too hard to believe because the cancellation was rather immediate by the end of the season.

If viewership was that low, I'd read as whether the show was good or bad didn't even matter. Maybe people just didn't show up in much number to watch it at all. Of all the shows it was the one I saw far and away the least general interest in. Feel like even Prodigy which flew completely under the radar for many got more interest as it aired. EDIT: I did bother to check the youtube post for episode 1 which is listed on my browser as having 122k views, but only like 600 likes. There are hatewatching drama videos bitching about <name whatever bugbear an internet person might have> that have more likes than that so IDK. I could believe Academy just suffered some kind of critical viewership issue. I basically noped out and didn't come back because Star Trek Dawson's Creek just doesn't interest me as a concept but can't really know unless someone in production bothers to tell us. All just speculation and guessing.

Or maybe it's all about other things. The financing going on with the Warner Bros. buy out. Maybe the numbers were better but just not good enough. It's been a polarizing few years for Star Trek. Basically nothing they put out received universal appreciation, not even Lower Decks or Strange New Worlds. Maybe they want to retool.

Or maybe Star Trek is going back in the box and we might see it again when we're sixty.

I wonder how many subscribers Paramount even has. Last time I had covid I signed up for SNW and dropped it.

400,000 globally seems…..really low. Like unfeasibly low.

And whilst it’s cancelled? Its second season is going ahead. If it really was that low? I’m not sure they’d throw good money after bad in that way,

But if it’s true. Because it’s not like I can disprove it? It seems unfair, the show itself is really quite enjoyable, and Proper Trekky Trek.

400,000 sounds wrong to me as well. Just on the face of it ST has been on a big roll of productions and thus in theory with that amount of investment behind it the amount of marketing and so forth should easily have given it viewerships WAY in excess just from established fanbase alone.
Even if they didn't keep up with it.


The only way I could see numbers being that critically low on a streaming show (which in theory doesn't have to worry about timeslot competition) would indeed be if Paramount has managed to cripple its viewing base.

That's not impossible, people are pulling back from supporting loads of separate monthly outgoings right now and I can well see the whole expansion of the streaming services flipping head over heels into a period of compression because people can't justify having a dozen different streaming services.

Yeah, I mean it's streaming on probably the smallest streaming platform (basically Trekkies are the only ones' to use it) and had the burden of being placed in Discoverse AND getting mostly bad Internetbuzz all the time. Pretty tough position.

We canceled paramount not too long ago, and so did most of our Trekkie friends. People who used to tell me I really should give SNW a chance never even mentioned Starfleet Academy.

 LordofHats wrote:
The rumor that's been going around, completely unverified but coming from Red Letter Media so it's being taken sort of seriously on face value, is that Academy only had 400,000 views for the entire season. Completely unverified. Maybe not too hard to believe because the cancellation was rather immediate by the end of the season.

If viewership was that low, I'd read as whether the show was good or bad didn't even matter. Maybe people just didn't show up in much number to watch it at all. Of all the shows it was the one I saw far and away the least general interest in. Feel like even Prodigy which flew completely under the radar for many got more interest as it aired. EDIT: I did bother to check the youtube post for episode 1 which is listed on my browser as having 122k views, but only like 600 likes. There are hatewatching drama videos bitching about <name whatever bugbear an internet person might have> that have more likes than that so IDK. I could believe Academy just suffered some kind of critical viewership issue. I basically noped out and didn't come back because Star Trek Dawson's Creek just doesn't interest me as a concept but can't really know unless someone in production bothers to tell us. All just speculation and guessing.

Or maybe it's all about other things. The financing going on with the Warner Bros. buy out. Maybe the numbers were better but just not good enough. It's been a polarizing few years for Star Trek. Basically nothing they put out received universal appreciation, not even Lower Decks or Strange New Worlds. Maybe they want to retool.

Or maybe Star Trek is going back in the box and we might see it again when we're sixty.

If the Star Trek subreddit is any indication, then most of the extremely vocal SFA fans had already cancelled their P+ subscriptions for political reasons and pirated the episodes. What did they THINK was going to happen when they did that?

the 400,000 may be the nielsen family viewer results, a deeply flawed measure that they have clung to since the 50's. -for those that dont know -Its based on a arbitary number of idealised families whose viewership is tracked.
It has been shown to be flawed and the company that does it lost accredation years ago. One of the problems is it is very easily biased by choice of family and what constitutes a 'view'. For instance it doesnt count all streaming online outside of a few methods (eg smart tvs) and is only US based. Some TV execs still seem to think its relevent to today.

Paramount also seems to be one of the groups that over react to internet noise (Aaagh captain with no shoes, a gay klingon, 16-24 year olds who actually act and talk more their age and not the stylised startrek style talk!)
Disney/Starwars was doing the same and now is slinking back to some of the works it dropped, and reworking them now hindight lets them see they were much better then the general whining online said.

Paramount + is apparenly around 79 million subscribers with 38 million of them in the USA

so 400,000 would be approx 1% of their USA subscribers. It does sound too low, but if you put it in terms of unique subscribers who watched the whole season? perhaps not impossible

Even whole season viewers feels too small. It's honestly the kind of numbers you'd expect from a "did ok but not great" youtube series that mostly relied on one influencer pushing their marketing randomly or such

Honestly if that were the kind of numbers ST were getting I'd be shocked that they'd do ANY ST series

In Orlando, every Spectrum user has Paramount + for free...whether you want it or not.

I really tried to watch it. I just couldn't get into it (and yes, I'm the crackpot who binged all of Voyager).

I'm hoping the guys who did D&D: Honor Among Thieves have a better go at relaunching Star Trek.

There's worse things to watch than Voyager. Ex: Most of ST: Discovery & ALL of Section 31.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:400,000 globally seems…..really low. Like unfeasibly low.

Yeah. The number is only getting traction online because 1) it validates haters who want to believe it's true, and 2) it comes from Red Letter Media claiming to have a source, so their credibility is kind of floating it.

And whilst it’s cancelled? Its second season is going ahead. If it really was that low? I’m not sure they’d throw good money after bad in that way,

Reportedly both seasons were filmed back to back, so they already have the second season in post-production by the time they made this announcement. EDIT: I've also heard an actor on the show (the Klingon guy I think) says it ends on a cliffhanger so... That'll be exciting for anyone who watches it I guess XD

It seems unfair, the show itself is really quite enjoyable, and Proper Trekky Trek.

I mean if dismally low numbers are the cause, I'd believe it's more a function of people not watching at all. Same thing sort of happened to Prodigy with extra steps and Prodigy was quite good overall, but it aired probably on the wrong channel, in the wrong timeslot, and Paramount failed to deliver on any of the merchandising they were hoping to use the show to sell so Prodigy only got its second season and was cancelled before it was finished. They still ultimately put that last season out with a deal with Netflix.

Overread wrote:The only way I could see numbers being that critically low on a streaming show (which in theory doesn't have to worry about timeslot competition) would indeed be if Paramount has managed to cripple its viewing base.

This also occurred to me after posting. Paramount subscriber numbers might be suffering due to reasons completely unrelated to Star Trek and maybe the lacking viewership is a function of the crossover between people who might watch this particular show, and people promoting cancelling your Paramount+ sub for IRL reasons?

It's also possible I think this is really just all about Paramounts broader financing situation with the Warner Bros. deal and such going on and a desire to assess their properties and how they're spending their money, or maybe they're just looking at making their relationship with Kurtzman's production company, or maybe the viewership isn't where they want it to be, or there's just general belt tightening like we're seeing across the industry right now. Disney and Warner Bros. have also dialed back many of their multi-year production projects. Unless Paramount sits down and talks about it all we'll have is speculation.

Not sure about the rest of the world, but in the UK the recent ST shows were on Amazon Prime up to the Disco season after the time jump (I think that was S3, but I'm trying to banish it from my memory, so won't go check). That's likely had an effect on viewership. Paramount+ is kind of a pointless subscription in general. There's a smattering of decent shows but nothing to really pull people in. Theoretically ST would be the big draw but the patchy quality of recent ST offerings won't have helped.

400,000 does still seem absurdly low. Maybe if they had some way to see who had watched every episode I could sort of believe it, but even then I'm not sure I believe only 1% of subscribers view it. What the hell else are people watching on the service?