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 BrookM wrote:
First Space Wolves preview: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/08/15/15th-aug-codex-space-wolves-preview-hunters-unleashed-and-datasheets-galoregw-homepage-post-3/

Damn that’s an impressive dread. 8 inch move, lnvulnerable and 8 attacks hitting on a 2+ when charging is brutal.

From the Warhammer 40,000 Facebook page:

New video showing some closeups of the Space Wolves and the new bits with them confirming that they're from a (new) upgrade sprue. It looks like at least one has access to a chainsword but I'm not sure if that is the sergeant equivalent (wolf guard) or a general option for all. My guess is the sergeant/wolf guard only since I only see one but I guess we'll find out (hopefully) on Friday with the next preview.

That is the Sergeant, not wolf guard, they are two different things. The Sergeant has had the ability to take a Chainsword, but no Power Weapon. Non Primaris squads get a Sergeant, and the option of a Wolf Guard Hero. It would be nice if they add that option in the Codex, but I don't expect it.

Watch the video, still not impressed.

The GSC stuff is cool. Not my taste but any time anyone outside of the imperium gets new models I think it's a win.

The space-wolf stuff on the other hand...They pretty much say it's the DI stuff with a few upgrade sprues thrown in. Exactly my problem and why I hope the box fails (sorry if you take this personally like I want you to shoot yourself?). It's a house flipper charging a premium for a dump that they just slapped a coat of paint on while claiming a "craftsman style home" and wanting that price for. It's still a McMansion no matter what backsplash you use. I'd rather GW not get rewarded for such lazy releases. If it sells like hot-cakes then they won't get pushed to be more creative/risky in their design/marketing (compare these to the new ork buggies which look AWESOME!!) I'm probably expecting too much too soon as we've gotten more kits this release quicker than I can remember but I would have rather seen new orks as the other half of this box than recycled marines with some new sprues.

Of course celestine isn't a space marine, but I was just looking at my shelf and thinking of the minis I enjoyed painting and still enjoy looking at. I guess I could have replaced her with the primaris Chaplin but he is on my other painting table and wasn't in LOS. Good call on the DA LT but at 25 bucks a pop I'm not making infantry squads out of him (but I will get one to paint because he looks like a fun guy).

I also like the custode bikes (not the guard or termies though) as the level and size of the detail on the models really works for me. Not too busy so that my eyes glaze over and it looks messy (guilliman/centurians) but not too austere/bulky so it looks like a kids toy (redemptor dread).

I would like for more difference between the chapters than just a paint job. It leads to weird situations where GW is enforcing paint scheme rules instead of relying on actual differences between armies. Hopefully SW get some new and exciting sculpts that add to the feel of SW (whatever that means to you).

There's enough design space for wolfie-mcwolf face on a wolf wearing a wolf wielding a wolf and some grim dark viking dudes swinging axes. I'd just like GW to not slap a coat of paint on something and call it new/fresh and just repackaging the DI set and throwing in some upgrade sprues seems to be a disservice to an army with so much space for so much cool stuff...

 Ghaz wrote:

Kdash wrote:
Biggest thing that i missed and was pointed out in the Tactics thread -

The Chapter Tactic affects Cavalry in addition to Infantry, Bikers and Dreads.

I wonder if Chaos will have theirs changed now as well.

I don't see any units in Codex Chaos Space Marines with the CAVALRY keyword.

I guess it is a hangover from the index more than anything, with certain "mount" upgrades changing the unit to CAVALRY

Damn that’s an impressive dread. 8 inch move, lnvulnerable and 8 attacks hitting on a 2+ when charging is brutal.

8 Attacks against chaff, 4 against anything you actually wanted to charge. I still say its Mediocre at 160pts, but maybe it got cheaper too.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Glad they added some units

Not a fan of that. Playing variant marines meant your special snowflakes are better in thing X at the expense of being worse in Y. These days? GW's drive to sell as many kits as possible handed pretty much all Codex unique units to one trick ponies making them frakking masters of everything* and pretty much SM 2.0 due to have all the special toys of Codex chapters plus a pile of their own unique on top of that. The whole point of Codex was making the chapters more versatile, when SM will finally get rule writer who gets that and makes them better at something?

*Before someone nitpicks, yes, they might not strictly get everything but what they miss is pretty much 1-2 units that is either terrible on tabletop or something the deviant's unique units do better. Woo.

Not a fan of that. Playing variant marines meant your special snowflakes are better in thing X at the expense of being worse in Y. These days? GW's drive to sell as many kits as possible handed pretty much all Codex unique units to one trick ponies making them frakking masters of everything* and pretty much SM 2.0 due to have all the special toys of Codex chapters plus a pile of their own unique on top of that. The whole point of Codex was making the chapters more versatile, when SM will finally get rule writer who gets that and makes them better at something?

As a die hard SW player, I completely agree with this. This is just a move to sell more kits. Not we think you needed that. The Cataphracti and Tartaros armors and Contemptors are the only things I agree with getting. They are Heresy or Pre Heresy era gear and SW should have a few kicking around. That said I suspect their Datasheets will only include the wargear available on their kits. So I will continue using my Tartaros Termies as normal termies because Tartaros don't have the options mine are equipped with.

bananathug wrote:
Watch the video, still not impressed.

If you watched video you should have seen they aren't just different painted marines.

They are space marines. Expecting them to look radically different with...well space marines...is silly

That aberrant sprue is definitely relevant to my interests, but I'll probably be able to hold out for it to be available separately.

 Ghaz wrote:
From the Warhammer 40,000 Facebook page:

Spoiler:

With 11 different heads and a choice of weapons in the kit, no two models you build need to look the same

The only "choice" of weapon in that kit is to replace the hammer with the stop sign. And they will all look the same except for a slightly different heads.

bananathug wrote:
Watch the video, still not impressed.

The GSC stuff is cool. Not my taste but any time anyone outside of the imperium gets new models I think it's a win.

The space-wolf stuff on the other hand...They pretty much say it's the DI stuff with a few upgrade sprues thrown in. Exactly my problem and why I hope the box fails (sorry if you take this personally like I want you to shoot yourself?). It's a house flipper charging a premium for a dump that they just slapped a coat of paint on while claiming a "craftsman style home" and wanting that price for. It's still a McMansion no matter what backsplash you use. I'd rather GW not get rewarded for such lazy releases. If it sells like hot-cakes then they won't get pushed to be more creative/risky in their design/marketing (compare these to the new ork buggies which look AWESOME!!) I'm probably expecting too much too soon as we've gotten more kits this release quicker than I can remember but I would have rather seen new orks as the other half of this box than recycled marines with some new sprues.

Of course celestine isn't a space marine, but I was just looking at my shelf and thinking of the minis I enjoyed painting and still enjoy looking at. I guess I could have replaced her with the primaris Chaplin but he is on my other painting table and wasn't in LOS. Good call on the DA LT but at 25 bucks a pop I'm not making infantry squads out of him (but I will get one to paint because he looks like a fun guy).

I also like the custode bikes (not the guard or termies though) as the level and size of the detail on the models really works for me. Not too busy so that my eyes glaze over and it looks messy (guilliman/centurians) but not too austere/bulky so it looks like a kids toy (redemptor dread).

I would like for more difference between the chapters than just a paint job. It leads to weird situations where GW is enforcing paint scheme rules instead of relying on actual differences between armies. Hopefully SW get some new and exciting sculpts that add to the feel of SW (whatever that means to you).

There's enough design space for wolfie-mcwolf face on a wolf wearing a wolf wielding a wolf and some grim dark viking dudes swinging axes. I'd just like GW to not slap a coat of paint on something and call it new/fresh and just repackaging the DI set and throwing in some upgrade sprues seems to be a disservice to an army with so much space for so much cool stuff...

it's a space marine with some upgrade bits..... ya know EXACTLY like a Grey Hunter is, or a Long Fang is, Or a Skyclaw is, or... well you get my meaning. There are in codex space Wovles a grand total of maybe 4 or 5 units that aren't just Marines with an upgrade kit. and of those, most are pretty new (and received complaints of flanderization)

I find just one or two bits work best for any unit. More than that is too ott for me.

That said I hope they show a picture of the Upgrade Sprue soon. I'm ready to be disappointed.

Chopstick wrote:

With 11 different heads and a choice of weapons in the kit, no two models you build need to look the same

The only "choice" of weapon in that kit is to replace the hammer with the stop sign. And they will all look the same except for a slightly different heads.

Not really. There're three examples shown, none of them with a two-handed weapon - but there're four in the kit. The pair of arms with the scything talon isn't used either.

Justyn wrote:
I find just one or two bits work best for any unit. More than that is too ott for me.

That said I hope they show a picture of the Upgrade Sprue soon. I'm ready to be disappointed.

Sounds like you've already made up your mind

That said looking at the other chapter upgrade sprues we can make an educated guess, the sprue will have 6 space wolf "infantry shoulder pads" 3 gravis shoulder pads, 3 heads, and about a half dozen bits and bobs to personalize a marine. this should be eneugh, especially as most space wolf players are proably swimming in bits and peices from things like space wolf packs. I know I am

That said looking at the other chapter upgrade sprues we can make an educated guess, the sprue will have 6 space wolf "infantry shoulder pads" 3 gravis shoulder pads, 3 heads, and about a half dozen bits and bobs to personalize a marine. this should be eneugh, especially as most space wolf players are proably swimming in bits and peices from things like space wolf packs. I know I am

Yeah that would be disappointing. It is what I also expect. However, We already have an upgrade sprue of Blackmane shoulder pads with a few bits and bobs. I was hoping for Primaris sized arms with a Frost Sword or Axe, a Power Sword or axe, and a chainsword. Oh well ebay will net me Reiver arms.

Justyn wrote:

That said looking at the other chapter upgrade sprues we can make an educated guess, the sprue will have 6 space wolf "infantry shoulder pads" 3 gravis shoulder pads, 3 heads, and about a half dozen bits and bobs to personalize a marine. this should be eneugh, especially as most space wolf players are proably swimming in bits and peices from things like space wolf packs. I know I am

Yeah that would be disappointing. It is what I also expect. However, We already have an upgrade sprue of Blackmane shoulder pads with a few bits and bobs. I was hoping for Primaris sized arms with a Frost Sword or Axe, a Power Sword or axe, and a chainsword. Oh well ebay will net me Reiver arms.

we should get a sword of some nature, given that our HQs initally where rules as taking chain swords only my money says it'll have a chainsword sprue.

Oh there is definitely a Chainsword. Its on the Primaris Sergeant in the previews.

Justyn wrote:
Oh there is definitely a Chainsword. Its on the Primaris Sergeant in the previews.

yeah, be nice if they let us upgrade chain swords to frost swords. also I hope Leuitenants can upgrade their pwoer weapons to frost weapons.

I am really disappointed on the Space Wolves.

Just having access to most of the regular stuff while Primaris coming as they are is the wort they could have done

I fear that because we now have an LSS and Scout Bikers, there will be no special rules for our Veteran Scouts over those from other Marines because Reavers take that job now, but in the same way like in the other codex.

And Primaris won't be adopted to the special organisation the SW have

So the main difference between Blood Angles and Space Wolves will be colour and that Wulfen and Death Company have a different name

 kodos wrote:

So the main difference between Blood Angles and Space Wolves will be colour and that Wulfen and Death Company have a different name

Sounds like a good direction to me. Perhaps in the next edition they can go a step further and unite them all under a single codex.

I find it interesting that the Aberrants managed to fit on a single sprue. Have there been any other infantry releases in recent memory where that was the case? I wonder if there isn't a second sprue with parts for an alternate build waiting for the codex release...

In either case, looks like there will always be a minimum of 2 Picks in the squad, but the leader gets to choose between the sign or a hammer and two of the grunts get to choose between a pick or a hammer. Also looks like there are arm options to build the center Hammer posed down or held over the head which should help add some variety.

So the main difference between Blood Angles and Space Wolves will be colour and that Wulfen and Death Company have a different name

I think there is a bit more of a difference than that. I could list them all, but I suspect you know them also.

 Crimson wrote:

 kodos wrote:

So the main difference between Blood Angles and Space Wolves will be colour and that Wulfen and Death Company have a different name

Sounds like a good direction to me. Perhaps in the next edition they can go a step further and unite them all under a single codex.

I suspect we'll see the oppisite. the basic core of Primaris has been eistablished, future editions will likely gradiually faction focus them. my guess is where Primaris are concerned the big differance could be their vetern units. Ultramarines (and other codex followers) for example might employ a sort of "super sternguard" Space Wolves I dunno maybe some sort of bezekrer Primaris, Blood angels, maybe a inceptor with power weapons. Dark Angels, a super terminator. etc.

Aberrants are just one single Necromunda-style sprue, with 5 models who will have the same poses repeated over and over again.

How much is this box of 5 going to cost?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Aberrants are just one single Necromunda-style sprue, with 5 models who will have the same poses repeated over and over again.

How much is this box of 5 going to cost?

proably more then you'd like.

BrianDavion wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Aberrants are just one single Necromunda-style sprue, with 5 models who will have the same poses repeated over and over again.

How much is this box of 5 going to cost?

proably more then you'd like.

I suspect you're right. I would guess the same as the big hybrid guys.

I'm really looking forward to this set. I held off buying expensive abberants on ebay, or converting my own, so I'm ready to get some new models for sure. Plus more Acolyte hybrids, and another icon bearer is cool (though I'll have to come up with a different icon for this guy). I have a boatload of old purestrains, but they're all VERY old (I think I got most with the Tyrannid attack board game... ), so getting some that have different build options (like feeder tendrils and scything talons) will be useful.

I've got a very 'classic' Space wolves army, so I can throw these pups in there. Although I never got a Redemptor, or any aggressors for my Salamanders, so I'm quite happy to see both in this set.

As a GSC player, I am very pleased to see these guys pop up, but I'm happy to wait for my Ork pals to get their stuff first. It seems based on the background, that orks are deffo in this conflict. If they have Ork hybrids, I will be VERY pleased. Perhaps I can slap some of the extra Abberant heads/arms/etc on some ork bodes to make that work.

Phil Kelly also mentions that, aside from the Genestealer Cults, and the Orks, "Various cults have risen up in the darkness as well". Chaos renegades? (they did remove a lot of them from Forgeworld just recently) Eldar Ynnari cults? (they still need a codex, right?) It could be a reference to the special release plague marines too.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Aberrants are just one single Necromunda-style sprue, with 5 models who will have the same poses repeated over and over again.

How much is this box of 5 going to cost?

My guess $50 Canadian.