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 Kap'n Krump wrote:
So, I really enjoy the look of the new buggies, and it's great to have 6 new models coming out, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuutttttttt........

Does anyone have koncerns about the tactical viability of them? I mean, we still don't know anything about them, I'll warrant, but ork vehicles are in a pretty bad place right now. And I'm not sure what they'll have to do to these buggies (and other vehicles) to make them viable.

Because it's clear that they're going to be pretty much 100% shooting platforms, but geedubz has a TERRIBLE track record of giving orks effective shooting options, especially relative to other races. Take the deffstorm mega shoota - a weapon that is almost as effective as a single assault cannon wielded by a terminator. Mounted as the primary weapon on our knight 'equivalent'.

So, IDK. I'm almost expecting these buggies to have a single D6 shot heavy weapon at BS5 that doesn't ignore heavy weapon penalties, or something equally useless.

And there's always the opinion of 'if it's new model, they must make it good', but Orkanauts and flash gitz were brand new last edition and turned out to be terribad. So, I'm kind of not expecting much from these.

My previous, sarcastic comment aside I absolutely share your fears on this one. GW seems to have an especially potent talent for making ork shooting absolutely terrible because they don't factor in that 1/3 (or commonly 1/6) of the shots actually hit. Add on that they love giving them random shot profiles and it's really pathetic. These are all great models that I would love to buy and use in my ork army, but if their rules are crap I won't even bother. GW has a massive opportunity here to make things awesome or make things even worse. I feel like there is this massive union of ork players all saying to themselves "Please don't suck. Please don't suck. Please don't suck."

I also don't really see the new models are always good thing being consistent or at least recently consistent. The Primaris line was pretty bad at launch, received point drops and are still pretty meh. Gork/Morknaughts and gitz were also bad as you pointed out. Then you get the primarchs who were all great and some of the death guard stop have been top tier winners. I do think you're right though that usually new stuff is good stuff, but lets see if Orks buck that tradition or not.

Please don't suck.. Please don't suck..

Another good vehicle for the konvoy. Yeah really liking these releases. There are after all a lot of kits of good quality.

So basically all we are getting are new buggies and a codex. I am very disappointed. Especially since new models wont be in our hands until the last weekend in orktober.

 Sal4m4nd3r wrote:
So basically all we are getting are new buggies and a codex. I am very disappointed. Especially since new models wont be in our hands until the last weekend in orktober.

Why surprised and what else were you expecting?

My only real hope is that you can arm these with twin-bigshoota/twin-rokkits or skorchas so we really can get rid of the old models.

Would be a shame if we had to keep those around to have something viable.

 Sal4m4nd3r wrote:
So basically all we are getting are new buggies and a codex. I am very disappointed. Especially since new models wont be in our hands until the last weekend in orktober.

Very few armies got 6 new models during their time in the sun. Also, how many new vehicles has there been in 2 years? SW got some and Primaris, but no army got 6.

If you wanted new infantry...why? My kitbashed tankbustas, stormboyz and kommandos shoot just as well (or as poorly) as the official models and look great. I don't see the appeal.

 Sal4m4nd3r wrote:
So basically all we are getting are new buggies and a codex. I am very disappointed. Especially since new models wont be in our hands until the last weekend in orktober.

Its more than Non Marine Codexs got - the Buggies do look rather awesome.

I can see why people perhaps would want to sacrifice a buggy for the sake of a none metal warboss on foot? Or a MA warboss that isn't Ghazzy?

As awesomesauce as this release is, let's not pretend it fixes all of our old model issues.

Finally realised why all these "The driver is..." comments didn't make any sense. Y'all talking' about the passenger. Driver's on the right.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I can see why people perhaps would want to sacrifice a buggy for the sake of a none metal warboss on foot? Or a MA warboss that isn't Ghazzy?

As awesomesauce as this release is, let's not pretend it fixes all of our old model issues.

Second, couldn't have put it better myself.

Edit:

If you are after a plastic warboss on foot atleast you have an option now.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/10/10th-oct-kill-team-xenos-commandersgw-homepage-post-1/

Though they haven’t actually said that’s it for models yet have they..

Danny76 wrote:
Though they haven’t actually said that’s it for models yet have they..

Nah, but it will be for now though.

I just started collecting and while these buggies look amazing, what I'd really like is the ability to walk into a shop and buy me some HQ options. Having said that, I will be getting at least a few buggies providing their rules aren't awful. Was hoping for Ork tanks but these look so good I'll stick with them for the foreseeable future.

given the kill team previews... it seems Orks indeed are getting new plastic HQs. even if the release is timed for a bit later with kill team it's coming so... Orks are being handled.

The models they showed are not new. Just repackaged models from a few years ago.

BrianDavion wrote:
given the kill team previews... it seems Orks indeed are getting new plastic HQs. even if the release is timed for a bit later with kill team it's coming so... Orks are being handled.

Whadya mean? Thought the Ork Commanders were known and plastic already (Grukk 2.0, Painboy and SAG Mek)?

 Mr Morden wrote:
I wonder if this will translate over to 40k
<snipped image of painboy tactic from KT>

Isn't that basically how an index painboy already works? Granted it's got the random "16% oops i broke it, 84% heal d3 wounds" instead of the heal-a-fleshwound.

I like the little touch of the crew having bite marks from handling a bunch of squigs

The squig in the barrel ready to launch is just too cute

It would be AWESOME if you could select which kind of squigg you launched based on what kind of unit you were firing at. Regular squiggs for infantry, bomb squiggs for vehicles, etc.

Could GW ever give orks anything that good?

 JimOnMars wrote:
It would be AWESOME if you could select which kind of squigg you launched based on what kind of unit you were firing at. Regular squiggs for infantry, bomb squiggs for vehicles, etc.

Could GW ever give orks anything that good?

It's possible, but if it works like orks did in 7th Edition we'll have to pick a target and then roll on a random table to see what kind of squig we fling at them.

I like some amount of randomness in orks, but in 7th Ed. GW implemented it pretty poorly, with far more bad results than good but priced seemingly as if they thought we would mostly be rolling good results.

I have some level of optimism that GW will do a better job this time. They've been doing pretty good with most codexes so far, including some that were bad in the last edition.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
given the kill team previews... it seems Orks indeed are getting new plastic HQs. even if the release is timed for a bit later with kill team it's coming so... Orks are being handled.

Whadya mean? Thought the Ork Commanders were known and plastic already (Grukk 2.0, Painboy and SAG Mek)?

Well, if you can find the AOBR kit, or the Battle for Vedros Starter, you can get a Plastic Warboss without that useless Kombi-Rokkit

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Vedros

 Nightlord1987 wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
given the kill team previews... it seems Orks indeed are getting new plastic HQs. even if the release is timed for a bit later with kill team it's coming so... Orks are being handled.

Whadya mean? Thought the Ork Commanders were known and plastic already (Grukk 2.0, Painboy and SAG Mek)?

Well, if you can find the AOBR kit, or the Battle for Vedros Starter, you can get a Plastic Warboss without that useless Kombi-Rokkit

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Vedros

Yup, between Vedros, Gruk, KT box, old boss, or simply taking AoS warboss and giving him a few spare Nob weapons, I have no idea how anyone would want to sacrifice awesome vehicle for more of the same-same. Ask Primaris players how 595873 Lieutenants thing worked out for them...

Yeah, for plastic hqs:

-meganob kit makes a ma big mek officially and a ma warboss in all but official name (has all the options the boss has)

-grukk is plastic warboss on foot

-new plastic bike boss

-plastic sag mek

-weirdnob shaman makes a great weirdboy if you hate finecrap. Loads better looking than the weirdboy sculpt.

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:

 JimOnMars wrote:
It would be AWESOME if you could select which kind of squigg you launched based on what kind of unit you were firing at. Regular squiggs for infantry, bomb squiggs for vehicles, etc.

Could GW ever give orks anything that good?

It's possible, but if it works like orks did in 7th Edition we'll have to pick a target and then roll on a random table to see what kind of squig we fling at them.

I like some amount of randomness in orks, but in 7th Ed. GW implemented it pretty poorly, with far more bad results than good but priced seemingly as if they thought we would mostly be rolling good results.

I have some level of optimism that GW will do a better job this time. They've been doing pretty good with most codexes so far, including some that were bad in the last edition.

The only thing I can predict is the stompa will be utter trash still.
I think the only time a varient of the stompa was useful and competitive is when people were using the misprinted but probably more accurate cost of buzzgrobs kustom stompa... other then that it has always been trash ruleswise.

I still want a larger more imposing ghazkull model...

Orks need a plastic Megaboss and a plastic Weirdboy.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Orks need a plastic Megaboss and a plastic Weirdboy.

And Tankbustas!

I can live with the komandos (I actually like them) but these butt-ugly bustas have to go (in plastic)!!

And what the hell is that??!?!



https://www.instagram.com/p/BozOxgLFQpj/?hl=en

It sure looks like a mix of Chaos and Orks, or at least it's where my mind wants to go ...


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And this one?!?!

Hashtag is Orktober... What could it be? Does anyone else see a figure in the moth of the ork skull fire thing?


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Mork and Gork?? Gork and Mork?

Looks like a teaser for the Khorne and Slaanesh AoS box coming soon.

Both pictures are tagged Orktober ... so not AoS then (unless there's an AoS Ork release too this month???)

For info, the blue one came before the red one (even though red onez are fasta! ) ... so is the red showing the explosion of the system we see in the blue?

Any idea what system that is?