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KTG17 wrote: I own the GME, and have been playing Epic for most of my life. It is my favorite scale of any table top game I have played.
I have some issues with the size of the new models (being too big), but the detail of the models themselves is pretty amazing.
I said some time ago if GW doesn't expand this to include marines and vehicles like SM1, then this game will collect dust on the shelves a year from now. No one is going to play a game over and over again that involves so few models, that's just the reality.
I think you can pin interest like this:
Hardcore Epic fans bought, none core fans didn't.
The price was a hard swallow, and kicked some people aside.
If you stick to Imperial models only, you'll lose some existing fans.
If you don't include Xenos, you'll prob miss out on some newer fans.
If GW doesn't follow up with 'Epic' units within a year or so, you'll lose a bunch of existing fans.
I think this game has to grow to become more successful. People will need to see that to make this kind of investment. There is only so much you can do with so few models. You want to encourage people to collect and build armies. I hope GW understands this, and if they dig their heels in and refuse to make it Epic, no one is going to care about this game a year from now.
Looking at the stats its a near 50% takeup on the game for those voting. When you consider that there are only a handful of Imperial only models that's an astounding number! No Xenos no Chaos and a limited roster and still a near 50% take up in buyers.
Granted the sample size here is tiny and its internet based so biased somewhat already; but its still a very powerful number considering all its current limitations.
Certainly the kind of stats that can allow a game to grow and develop from and be worth investing more into.
KTG17 wrote: I own the GME, and have been playing Epic for most of my life. It is my favorite scale of any table top game I have played.
I have some issues with the size of the new models (being too big), but the detail of the models themselves is pretty amazing.
I said some time ago if GW doesn't expand this to include marines and vehicles like SM1, then this game will collect dust on the shelves a year from now. No one is going to play a game over and over again that involves so few models, that's just the reality.
I think you can pin interest like this:
Hardcore Epic fans bought, none core fans didn't.
The price was a hard swallow, and kicked some people aside.
If you stick to Imperial models only, you'll lose some existing fans.
If you don't include Xenos, you'll prob miss out on some newer fans.
If GW doesn't follow up with 'Epic' units within a year or so, you'll lose a bunch of existing fans.
I think this game has to grow to become more successful. People will need to see that to make this kind of investment. There is only so much you can do with so few models. You want to encourage people to collect and build armies. I hope GW understands this, and if they dig their heels in and refuse to make it Epic, no one is going to care about this game a year from now.
A lot of good points being made here.
You mean a lot of refuted points that are incorrect or based on a false premise.
For instance I have gotten several people who never played the original AT (like I did not) to get into the game. So point 1 is wrong
Its poor points that takes very little reality into consideration and more wishlisting
For the Warlord , adding in another full sprue of weapon options would of make the box as expensive as a standard 40k Knight. Sorry but that would of made cost to entry FAR higher. Make up your mind. Complete game or reasonable costs
This is just silly. I'd rather pay $125 for a complete plastic kit with all the options, than pay $110 for a kit with no options and then have to pay $40-$50 to get two different arm weapons from FW. And considering a few Lascannons for a Valkyrie conversion is now $33, my price estimate on two weapons is rather low.
For the Warlord , adding in another full sprue of weapon options would of make the box as expensive as a standard 40k Knight. Sorry but that would of made cost to entry FAR higher. Make up your mind. Complete game or reasonable costs
This is just silly. I'd rather pay $125 for a complete plastic kit with all the options, than pay $110 for a kit with no options and then have to pay $40-$50 to get two different arm weapons from FW. And considering a few Lascannons for a Valkyrie conversion is now $33, my price estimate on two weapons is rather low.
There is actually a good indication that the warlord will actually get at least one plastic weapon upgrade sprue, not resin. Reason why is the developers stated this is why the sprues are designed by weapons/armor plates/carapace. No way you'll have to pay that much for the initial warlord upgrades.
I’ve used this game to kick off Horus heresy in epic scale at my local club, and it’s spread like wildfire, we have been buying lots and lots of shapeways and eBay to fill the gaps and get some heresy looking tanks and units and so far we have all had a blast, we’re using the standard 30k rules with some major and minor tweaks to fit the scale.
Formosa wrote: I’ve used this game to kick off Horus heresy in epic scale at my local club, and it’s spread like wildfire, we have been buying lots and lots of shapeways and eBay to fill the gaps and get some heresy looking tanks and units and so far we have all had a blast, we’re using the standard 30k rules with some major and minor tweaks to fit the scale.
For the Warlord , adding in another full sprue of weapon options would of make the box as expensive as a standard 40k Knight. Sorry but that would of made cost to entry FAR higher. Make up your mind. Complete game or reasonable costs
This is just silly. I'd rather pay $125 for a complete plastic kit with all the options, than pay $110 for a kit with no options and then have to pay $40-$50 to get two different arm weapons from FW. And considering a few Lascannons for a Valkyrie conversion is now $33, my price estimate on two weapons is rather low.
As far as I have found we are getting plastic weapons sprues.
This is important. It is important because it means we will likely see alternate sprues for more weapons for variants not yet out. Want a Deathbringer Warlord? Well we could see armor and weapon changes with new plastic sprues
You want it all at once. That's nice. I want a game that has an extended life.
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Changes: all are being playtested as we speak so this is all subject to heavy change and are primarily to speed up the game at such a scale or add a little more abstraction.
General:
All references to inches are changed to centimetres
All references to “dangerous terrain” are removed unless otherwise specified by the terrain type.
Alternating unit/squadron activation
Template weapons are d3/d6 shots respectively and must roll to hit, apocalyptic weapons use standard templates.
Vehicles:
All vehicles can move and fire all weapons.
All vehicles only have a front and rear armour value.
Vehicle damage chart is removed.
Transports can disembark units at any point during its move
Infantry:
Difficult terrain is removed, infantry may move up to two levels in a building per turn.
A infantry unit that is at least two levels above its target gains the plunging fire ability (-1 to enemy cover save, targets rear armour on all non dreadnought, Land raider or vindicator vehicle)
Assault:
All assault moves are 8cm
No challenges
Still working through this.
As for models shapeways, just google epic models on there and you will find them, it’s a bit expensive but if you buy in bulk like we did it’s much much cheaper.
Formosa wrote: I’ve used this game to kick off Horus heresy in epic scale at my local club, and it’s spread like wildfire, we have been buying lots and lots of shapeways and eBay to fill the gaps and get some heresy looking tanks and units and so far we have all had a blast, we’re using the standard 30k rules with some major and minor tweaks to fit the scale.
For the Warlord , adding in another full sprue of weapon options would of make the box as expensive as a standard 40k Knight. Sorry but that would of made cost to entry FAR higher. Make up your mind. Complete game or reasonable costs
This is just silly. I'd rather pay $125 for a complete plastic kit with all the options, than pay $110 for a kit with no options and then have to pay $40-$50 to get two different arm weapons from FW. And considering a few Lascannons for a Valkyrie conversion is now $33, my price estimate on two weapons is rather low.
As far as I have found we are getting plastic weapons sprues.
This is important. It is important because it means we will likely see alternate sprues for more weapons for variants not yet out. Want a Deathbringer Warlord? Well we could see armor and weapon changes with new plastic sprues
You want it all at once. That's nice. I want a game that has an extended life.
yeah demanding everything at once is silly. expecting Xenos right at the start is just silly. each of these models is a lot of work to bring out, just giving us Orks and Eldar would have delayed release another year or two and given the staggered release we'd not see them for some more time even then so... eaither way you've got 4 or 5 years before seeing xenos most likely
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
yeah demanding everything at once is silly. expecting Xenos right at the start is just silly. each of these models is a lot of work to bring out, just giving us Orks and Eldar would have delayed release another year or two and given the staggered release we'd not see them for some more time even then so... eaither way you've got 4 or 5 years before seeing xenos most likely
Nah, I suspect we should start seeing orks and eldar in the next 6 months. They only need the rules and could easily be added in a campaign book.
As for Epic I say 18 months maybe 2 years tops since the rules are all there already
I think they only had one model designer working on all of these titans, and it took him 1-2 years to do them if not longer. There's no way they will release xenos before 2020, prepare to be disappointed. If anything we will get cerastus knights/porphyrion, upgrade sprues, new imperial titan class before any xenos. We already know they are doing a beta garmon campaign book which is very much a HH battle and that isn't even scheduled to be out this year at all.
For the Warlord , adding in another full sprue of weapon options would of make the box as expensive as a standard 40k Knight. Sorry but that would of made cost to entry FAR higher. Make up your mind. Complete game or reasonable costs
This is just silly. I'd rather pay $125 for a complete plastic kit with all the options, than pay $110 for a kit with no options and then have to pay $40-$50 to get two different arm weapons from FW. And considering a few Lascannons for a Valkyrie conversion is now $33, my price estimate on two weapons is rather low.
There is actually a good indication that the warlord will actually get at least one plastic weapon upgrade sprue, not resin. Reason why is the developers stated this is why the sprues are designed by weapons/armor plates/carapace. No way you'll have to pay that much for the initial warlord upgrades.
I really hope that would be the case, something like that would be a lot more useful and accessible.
For the Warlord , adding in another full sprue of weapon options would of make the box as expensive as a standard 40k Knight. Sorry but that would of made cost to entry FAR higher. Make up your mind. Complete game or reasonable costs
This is just silly. I'd rather pay $125 for a complete plastic kit with all the options, than pay $110 for a kit with no options and then have to pay $40-$50 to get two different arm weapons from FW. And considering a few Lascannons for a Valkyrie conversion is now $33, my price estimate on two weapons is rather low.
As far as I have found we are getting plastic weapons sprues.
This is important. It is important because it means we will likely see alternate sprues for more weapons for variants not yet out. Want a Deathbringer Warlord? Well we could see armor and weapon changes with new plastic sprues
You want it all at once. That's nice. I want a game that has an extended life.
As far as you have found? Was that mentioned to you by a FW employee or is that speculation?
You are being a bit presumptuous of what I want, and more than a bit condescending. That's not a great way to convince someone to play a game you are championing. You might want to tone it down a bit. If a game could very well only have three chassis of titans (plus knights), the loadouts are going to be one of the major differentiating factors between titans. If that's the case, then yes, I do want more weapon options, because variety and tactical options are the key to replayability.
Sabotage! wrote: As far as you have found? Was that mentioned to you by a FW employee or is that speculation?
It was announced on one of the WarhammerTV things - common weapons would be on a plastic sprue, and the rarer / more exotic stuff would be resin. Specialist Games have limited access to the plastic machines so either have to stagger their releases or do more in resin.
Sabotage! wrote: As far as you have found? Was that mentioned to you by a FW employee or is that speculation?
It was announced on one of the WarhammerTV things - common weapons would be on a plastic sprue, and the rarer / more exotic stuff would be resin. Specialist Games have limited access to the plastic machines so either have to stagger their releases or do more in resin.
Well that's good to know, thanks for the clarification.
yeah demanding everything at once is silly. expecting Xenos right at the start is just silly. each of these models is a lot of work to bring out, just giving us Orks and Eldar would have delayed release another year or two and given the staggered release we'd not see them for some more time even then so... eaither way you've got 4 or 5 years before seeing xenos most likely
Nah, I suspect we should start seeing orks and eldar in the next 6 months. They only need the rules and could easily be added in a campaign book.
As for Epic I say 18 months maybe 2 years tops since the rules are all there already
the rules aren't gonna be the bottle neck. the minis are. it took them 2 years to do the ones we already have, we're not going to get new xenos titans anytime soon given they've apparently not even begun work on them. If the Eldar FW Titans where a newer model I could see it (the warlord and Questoris Knights where apparently easy as they could just scale down their CAD files) but they're not so it'll take time.
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Sabotage! wrote: As far as you have found? Was that mentioned to you by a FW employee or is that speculation?
It was announced on one of the WarhammerTV things - common weapons would be on a plastic sprue, and the rarer / more exotic stuff would be resin. Specialist Games have limited access to the plastic machines so either have to stagger their releases or do more in resin.
This is why I'm hoping the comment that was made about their new FW facility being filled with "machines for production"(or words to that effect) refers to new, dedicated HIPS production lines, rather than just some new resin pressure pots or somesuch.
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Thargrim wrote: I think they only had one model designer working on all of these titans, and it took him 1-2 years to do them if not longer. There's no way they will release xenos before 2020, prepare to be disappointed. If anything we will get cerastus knights/porphyrion, upgrade sprues, new imperial titan class before any xenos. We already know they are doing a beta garmon campaign book which is very much a HH battle and that isn't even scheduled to be out this year at all.
Depends. More interest and sales means more allocation of personnel
As far as you have found? Was that mentioned to you by a FW employee or is that speculation?
You are being a bit presumptuous of what I want, and more than a bit condescending. That's not a great way to convince someone to play a game you are championing. You might want to tone it down a bit. If a game could very well only have three chassis of titans (plus knights), the loadouts are going to be one of the major differentiating factors between titans. If that's the case, then yes, I do want more weapon options, because variety and tactical options are the key to replayability.
Look, you either buy in or not. Si ce you seem to not be interested in helping build a community but are more than interested enough to watch reaction, 8 think you will buy in when you are ready
As for people saying 2 years for the game, sure except that includes the rules right? Now we have Eldar which are just scaled down. They did say that they had to scale the current models down and then place them onto sprue layouts.
All you need to do is figure out rules, stats, weapons, and voila. Just about done. Play test which can be done with bases
Oh, and what ifound was from the development team and they have more products waiting. What exactly I don't know but as they have said more things so I expect the new knights a Scale 4 and more coming.
5hia is interesting to watch. I sense alternate models and weapons. Maybe we will see the Warhound only Maniple with Ursa Claws
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The rules as they exist now are a solid framework for quite a bit of expansion.
If anything, they're a little too skeletal. There are a few places that beg to be fleshed out, such as Lego traits and equipment.
They've certainly left themselves plenty of room to grow, which feels like it was planned.
Whether you (in the general sense) have the patience to wait is a question only the individual can answer.
Me personally - I've waited years for this game to come back, so a little more waiting is not a big deal. (And I've got fun toys to paint in the meantime)
I’m happy to wait too, from what I’ve seen this game has sold like hot cakes, but as others have said it remains to be seen if it has the legs to stay around.
I think GW always thought AT would be a slow build project for them and the game. It's small model count but its high price for the "good stuff". So whilst its similar to games like Infinity or Malifux; its a lot more pricey so it appeals to a different market segment.
Hence slowly rolling out updates and additions makes sense because its spreading the price load. If they'd launched with a very expensive Warlord, and Reavers and Hounds and Knights and expansion weapon packs the "price shock" would have been a lot bigger. Right now they've spread it out so those keen on it are already being budgeted by GW's release schedule somewhat.
It lowers that initial buy-in price to get started "with everything" and gets games and models in peoples hands and being played.
That AT has sold out pretty much at launch of its starter box globally means that its done far better than GW thought; its blazed its way out there and think that means so long as GW supports it and updates it, it will stick around at least in the medium if not the long term.
Sadly if the weapons packs are forge world I won’t be buying them, the current pricing debacle has put me right off supporting them and that’s combined with the slashing of a large part of the range such as solar aux, dark angels upgrades etc.
Formosa wrote: Sadly if the weapons packs are forge world I won’t be buying them, the current pricing debacle has put me right off supporting them and that’s combined with the slashing of a large part of the range such as solar aux, dark angels upgrades etc.
Most of the weapons will be coming out in plastic, as per the design team, with some more esoteric options getting done in resin.
Formosa wrote: Sadly if the weapons packs are forge world I won’t be buying them, the current pricing debacle has put me right off supporting them and that’s combined with the slashing of a large part of the range such as solar aux, dark angels upgrades etc.
Most of the weapons will be coming out in plastic, as per the design team, with some more esoteric options getting done in resin.
That’s good to hear then thanks for letting me know
Might have been here but there were some good power fist conversions that look easy enough to do
Price.
Not buying a game with only two available models for the entire game system.
New scale not compatible with currrent gw games.
Concern that like all GW boxed games this will be regulated to the bargin bins in a few weeks.
So is Adeptus Titanicus a bust?
If you did buy into it, what did you get and why?
Thanks dakka!
So... because your store doesn't understand value the game is a bust?
I don't know about many others but spending $290 to get $430 worth of product is a steal to me.
Then we go to the fact that, within just 3 weeks we get a second unit. 3 weeks! That's amazing.
Let's go into the actual game. 2 models? Sure, except those models have a good variety in play and it would be hard to play every idea until the next model dropped.
I have about 6 players in my FLGS alone.
It's 430 dollars worth of product according to GW that makes up all the prices. But flat comparing the amount of plastic you get to other similar scale gw products (Which are, themselves, overpriced), there is a real markup. And using that extensive individual price to then give a discount is flat marketing tricks to get you to buy the bigger boxes over the individual ones.
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Formosa wrote: Sadly if the weapons packs are forge world I won’t be buying them, the current pricing debacle has put me right off supporting them and that’s combined with the slashing of a large part of the range such as solar aux, dark angels upgrades etc.
Not all are resin. The primary weapons (the cards we get in the rules set) are most likely plastic. The RARE things are going to be resin like an inferno gun or Vortex Missile on a Warlord
It's 430 dollars worth of product according to GW that makes up all the prices. But flat comparing the amount of plastic you get to other similar scale gw products (Which are, themselves, overpriced), there is a real markup. And using that extensive individual price to then give a discount is flat marketing tricks to get you to buy the bigger boxes over the individual ones.
So, which other kit comes with 11 full sprues and 6 half sprues, full rules, dice, cards, and other accessories?
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I bought two masters sets. Several folks at my flgs have bought in, the game is a hit here. Ita mote popular than kill team here.
From watching other game stores and ebay, it has sold very well.
I wouldn't say it was a bust at all. The game seems alot like the horus heresy from fw or kingdom death... pricier and a smaller community, but a great quality premium collector game.
Finally got my GME yesterday, for 195€. Couldn't be happier!
I for one am happy to see AT grow slowly. The level of detail on the models is amazing, but the prospect of building those Warlords is quite daunting - so many parts! So I have plenty to do, the Reaver is right around the corner, and the Warhound is not far off either. Additions to the original three titan classes are already set to be released not too long afterwards, so I can't complain at all.
Looking forward to see what else is coming, and when - if at all - Xenos make a debut.
