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prastie wrote:
The models don't come with all of the weapon options and I won't buy two models just to get one with the loadout that I want.

This is something I find crazy for the AT release (and is another reason I have not bought it). Why not include a lot of options? Granted I am a big fan of N17 and they release the gangs with a few options and the rest are from Forge World (I did buy the forge World upgrade packs and am moderately happy with them). However are they gunna do it like N17 with upgrades available from FW? Or is it gunna be like the 40k knight kits? First is basic knight with limited options, next release have to get an entire new knight to get the carapace weapons and latest is buy another entire new knight to get all the weapons + the new weapon and cockpit guy.

somewhere in the middle, alt weps will be its own box kit/blister.
some will be plastic and sold by GW, others will be resin and sold by FW. what the ratio of plastic to resin is and when they will be released we dont know, but juding how long it has taken to just release 3 titans, dont expect them before end of november/december.

moust likely reason for this is that the warlord and reaver has alot of alt weps. it could easily be 1 or 2 extra sprue frames. that could make box price even higer then it is now if included whit the titan.
plus not all players wants or need the alt weps and for them it would just be 1-2 wasted sprues.

Adeptus Titanicus:

Executive Summary: Not offering enough shiny and different (skirmish) to offset the high risk (support, completely different scale, cost) of investment.

The Good:
- The models go together incredibly well, very precise fits, I enjoyed putting them together (for someone else).
- Thoughtful detail, I am pretty sure they made some round pockets specifically to put magnets in for weapon swaps.
- The detail is very nice, the panel lines, vents are incredibly well done (would have liked the toes on the feet to be separate bits but easy enough to cut out to articulate.
- Rules have sufficient detail that it feels like a complex walking battleship (cruiser? destroyer?).

The Bad:
- Expensive. I keep looking at the big box at $300 in my local store... just cannot do it.
- The scale I think is meant to be "different", so we are forced to buy more into the GW product and not other stuff out there which leads to...
- Slow releases. We have some terrain and some models but it may take some time before this game would feel even remotely fleshed-out. It is a very new game so it does feel more on it's own than some of the other box-set games.
- People I think are jittery about investing in this game and it possibly being perceived as a "total bust" and being dropped.

I really would like to see another kick at the can of releasing a new and improved "Epic" game but I think this is not it.
The scale is just big enough to keep everything around a "skirmish" sized game, it feels like it is trying to compete with 40k: the Epic game was for playing those huge battles for a couple hours hat take a few days to play as Apocalypse.

I have not seen any of the boxes move at my local hobby shop, I love the models but not enough to buy them and it looks like I would not have anyone to play.

 Talizvar wrote:

Executive Summary: Not offering enough shiny and different (skirmish) to offset the high risk (support, completely different scale, cost) of investment.

The whole summary is very well said. I did buy into it, but I feel the same about most of those points. They should have at least had the 3 main titans and knights ready before releasing. The game is incomplete without at least your 3 titans and knights. It was frankly pathetic that they released the game with only 2 models and imo is the main reason so much scorn was levied at the game at release - In addition to its high cost. I can forgive the high buy-in cost since at this point having a whole collection won't cost much more than the buy-in.

The support question is a big unknown though, and a GW doesn't have a very good track record with that. Even if the game does pull a profit, it doesn't mean they'll keep supporting it if the number-trolls at GW decide that it would be better to invest that support-time/money elsewhere. People are hesitant to buy in due to GW's opportunistic support. Lower profit because people aren't buying it, so they pull support. At some point it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

SirWeeble wrote:
The support question is a big unknown though, and a GW doesn't have a very good track record with that. Even if the game does pull a profit, it doesn't mean they'll keep supporting it if the number-trolls at GW decide that it would be better to invest that support-time/money elsewhere. People are hesitant to buy in due to GW's opportunistic support. Lower profit because people aren't buying it, so they pull support. At some point it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

GW have promised retailers at least 18 months of support for Specialist Games (and some other details - Necromunda is 1 new gang per quarter, for example). We should be getting details about the weapon packs soon (due out before Christmas) and then some idea what's coming next.

My impression is the game is doing well in some areas - those with some enthusiasts able to support excitement; and not add well in others - those without individuals willing to create a community.

All in all, I'd say the jury is still out on overall success.

GW has had to reprint Reavers, and through there are still GM boxes on the street, they are out at GW.

The telling data yet to come is how secondary printings sell.

 Sherrypie wrote:
Sadly they just happen to be boring, boxy and generic scibots. Njeh.

Meanwhile, Warhounds are soon upon us

they're "third party battlemechs" is what they are. they're battletech mini sized and those sculpts are all a pretty close fit for some Btech units out there

 Talizvar wrote:
Adeptus Titanicus:

Executive Summary: Not offering enough shiny and different (skirmish) to offset the high risk (support, completely different scale, cost) of investment.

The Good:
- The models go together incredibly well, very precise fits, I enjoyed putting them together (for someone else).
- Thoughtful detail, I am pretty sure they made some round pockets specifically to put magnets in for weapon swaps.
- The detail is very nice, the panel lines, vents are incredibly well done (would have liked the toes on the feet to be separate bits but easy enough to cut out to articulate.
- Rules have sufficient detail that it feels like a complex walking battleship (cruiser? destroyer?).

The Bad:
- Expensive. I keep looking at the big box at $300 in my local store... just cannot do it.
- The scale I think is meant to be "different", so we are forced to buy more into the GW product and not other stuff out there which leads to...
- Slow releases. We have some terrain and some models but it may take some time before this game would feel even remotely fleshed-out. It is a very new game so it does feel more on it's own than some of the other box-set games.
- People I think are jittery about investing in this game and it possibly being perceived as a "total bust" and being dropped.

I really would like to see another kick at the can of releasing a new and improved "Epic" game but I think this is not it.
The scale is just big enough to keep everything around a "skirmish" sized game, it feels like it is trying to compete with 40k: the Epic game was for playing those huge battles for a couple hours hat take a few days to play as Apocalypse.

I have not seen any of the boxes move at my local hobby shop, I love the models but not enough to buy them and it looks like I would not have anyone to play.

Slight issue - let me guess, you're going by the whole "it's 8mm" thing? Because it's not, it's around 1:267 scale which puts a load of classic Epic stuff exactly in-scale or very near it, and a lot of third-party stuff the same - Vanguard's entire "6mm" infantry range, for example, or that third party not-Lucius Warlord. If you're letting folk in your area be put off by the scale, you're letting them be put off by a myth.

I'm also not sure what folk are waiting for regarding the game feeling "fleshed out", beyond the weapon sprues which aren't actually required to play(not that I excuse GW for failing to release them alongside their respective Titans, mind). With the three core Titan chassis and regular Knights the system is functionally complete and capable of generating an experience with far more depth and variety in gameplay than anything else GW produce right now. It seems like your complaint here is less that the game isn't sufficiently fleshed out, and more that it's not Epic. But it was never meant to be Epic, it's Adeptus Titanicus.

The cost thing has been done to death, but while I agree the Grandmaster box is a serious case of sticker shock, there's zero need to buy that, it's not a starter set just a discount bundle.

Honestly right now most of the issues I see people putting forward about the system are misconceptions.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Sherrypie wrote:
Sadly they just happen to be boring, boxy and generic scibots. Njeh.

Meanwhile, Warhounds are soon upon us

they're "third party battlemechs" is what they are. they're battletech mini sized and those sculpts are all a pretty close fit for some Btech units out there

I am entirely aware of that. That does not in anyway diminish my opinion of them being boring, boxy and generic, thus uninteresting.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
Adeptus Titanicus:

Executive Summary: Not offering enough shiny and different (skirmish) to offset the high risk (support, completely different scale, cost) of investment.

The Good:
- The models go together incredibly well, very precise fits, I enjoyed putting them together (for someone else).
- Thoughtful detail, I am pretty sure they made some round pockets specifically to put magnets in for weapon swaps.
- The detail is very nice, the panel lines, vents are incredibly well done (would have liked the toes on the feet to be separate bits but easy enough to cut out to articulate.
- Rules have sufficient detail that it feels like a complex walking battleship (cruiser? destroyer?).

The Bad:
- Expensive. I keep looking at the big box at $300 in my local store... just cannot do it.
- The scale I think is meant to be "different", so we are forced to buy more into the GW product and not other stuff out there which leads to...
- Slow releases. We have some terrain and some models but it may take some time before this game would feel even remotely fleshed-out. It is a very new game so it does feel more on it's own than some of the other box-set games.
- People I think are jittery about investing in this game and it possibly being perceived as a "total bust" and being dropped.

I really would like to see another kick at the can of releasing a new and improved "Epic" game but I think this is not it.
The scale is just big enough to keep everything around a "skirmish" sized game, it feels like it is trying to compete with 40k: the Epic game was for playing those huge battles for a couple hours hat take a few days to play as Apocalypse.

I have not seen any of the boxes move at my local hobby shop, I love the models but not enough to buy them and it looks like I would not have anyone to play.

Slight issue - let me guess, you're going by the whole "it's 8mm" thing? Because it's not, it's around 1:267 scale which puts a load of classic Epic stuff exactly in-scale or very near it, and a lot of third-party stuff the same - Vanguard's entire "6mm" infantry range, for example, or that third party not-Lucius Warlord. If you're letting folk in your area be put off by the scale, you're letting them be put off by a myth.

I'm also not sure what folk are waiting for regarding the game feeling "fleshed out", beyond the weapon sprues which aren't actually required to play(not that I excuse GW for failing to release them alongside their respective Titans, mind). With the three core Titan chassis and regular Knights the system is functionally complete and capable of generating an experience with far more depth and variety in gameplay than anything else GW produce right now. It seems like your complaint here is less that the game isn't sufficiently fleshed out, and more that it's not Epic. But it was never meant to be Epic, it's Adeptus Titanicus.

The cost thing has been done to death, but while I agree the Grandmaster box is a serious case of sticker shock, there's zero need to buy that, it's not a starter set just a discount bundle.

Honestly right now most of the issues I see people putting forward about the system are misconceptions.

It IS epic for some of us, that is to say that some (small minority) bought the titans to kick off our epic armies or to add to them, I’m very happy with being able to play 2 different games with my titans.

Does anyone else think the 8mm titans look more “correct” in scale with the 6mm Epic vehicles? I bought an Epic Warlord long after Epic died and when I opened the box I was surprised how small it is. I’m printing some 6mm vehicles and I think the look appropriate.

Fajita Fan wrote:
Does anyone else think the 8mm titans look more “correct” in scale with the 6mm Epic vehicles? I bought an Epic Warlord long after Epic died and when I opened the box I was surprised how small it is. I’m printing some 6mm vehicles and I think the look appropriate.

That was Yodhrin's point just a few posts up - i.e. that despite rumors to the contrary, the titans appear to be correctly scaled for 6mm.

Eumerin wrote:

Fajita Fan wrote:
Does anyone else think the 8mm titans look more “correct” in scale with the 6mm Epic vehicles? I bought an Epic Warlord long after Epic died and when I opened the box I was surprised how small it is. I’m printing some 6mm vehicles and I think the look appropriate.

That was Yodhrin's point just a few posts up - i.e. that despite rumors to the contrary, the titans appear to be correctly scaled for 6mm.

The 8 mm confusion stems from the developers musing on the possible Space Marine infantry, were such to ever come, looking about right as 8 mm tall. The old 6 mm infantry looks very good against the doors in the new buildings, bits of the titans and so forth.

This game is indeed closer to 6 mm in scale, which is good.

Eumerin wrote:

Fajita Fan wrote:
Does anyone else think the 8mm titans look more “correct” in scale with the 6mm Epic vehicles? I bought an Epic Warlord long after Epic died and when I opened the box I was surprised how small it is. I’m printing some 6mm vehicles and I think the look appropriate.

That was Yodhrin's point just a few posts up - i.e. that despite rumors to the contrary, the titans appear to be correctly scaled for 6mm.

I know, that’s why I said “does anyone else” when I wrote that.

Fajita Fan wrote:

Eumerin wrote:

Fajita Fan wrote:
Does anyone else think the 8mm titans look more “correct” in scale with the 6mm Epic vehicles? I bought an Epic Warlord long after Epic died and when I opened the box I was surprised how small it is. I’m printing some 6mm vehicles and I think the look appropriate.

That was Yodhrin's point just a few posts up - i.e. that despite rumors to the contrary, the titans appear to be correctly scaled for 6mm.

I know, that’s why I said “does anyone else” when I wrote that.

He has another thread somewhere around here where he actually shows the measurements that he made to demonstrate that the scale really is 6mm. So he's got something to back it up.

I’m still waiting to print some tanks, I got the PDF of the epic rules back when it was on GWs site so I’m excited to play around with it.

My FLGS and Warhammer stores have a good crowd of people playing AoS, 40k, Shadespire, Kill Team and Necromunda. I have never seen anyone playing a game of Adeptus Titanicus. I've never seen anyone ask who is playing on the facebook groups. I've never seen anyone come in and buy models for it. I've never heard anyone asking around in the store if any of us play it. The whole game system might as well not exist in my area, despite every other game GW produces having a healthy playerbase. Nobody wants to buy into a $300-500 game system with 2-3 models to choose from.

 Toofast wrote:
My FLGS and Warhammer stores have a good crowd of people playing AoS, 40k, Shadespire, Kill Team and Necromunda. I have never seen anyone playing a game of Adeptus Titanicus. I've never seen anyone ask who is playing on the facebook groups. I've never seen anyone come in and buy models for it. I've never heard anyone asking around in the store if any of us play it. The whole game system might as well not exist in my area, despite every other game GW produces having a healthy playerbase. Nobody wants to buy into a $300-500 game system with 2-3 models to choose from.

'Nobody' is anecdotal at best.
I like a game that's more limited in scope with models and rules. And despite their only being 4 models for AT, the variety of builds and ways to play is deeper than some games that have a bloated mess of models.

Don't underestimate the appeal of a lean game system that doesn't require a lifestyle change to wrap your head around. Also, what's stopping one from playing a single titan?
'Complete' does not necessarily mean it has a gaggle of models or rules.

Don't be surprised by some of us buying into because of the reasons you list that 'No one' wants.

I think it's a great game and if nothing else comes out for it, it's still a highly repayable system that only requires me to buy and paint a dozen giant robots. GW did something right because that's exactly what I was looking for.
It's also the first GW minis game I have bought since the original Titan Legions.

People were playing at my GW when I went to pick up my Warhounds.

Another town bit north from where I play has 7 players for AT. Not that bad number. Almost 4 tables worth which is about what 40k fills in my town. Not too bad for "total bust" game. One issue is these guys are the kind that don't like playing with unpainted models and for obvious reason they don't have backlog of painted models so they are in mad painting stage

I have no idea how anyone paints a fully assembled Warlord that’s not just “spray ‘n wash” because I’m trying to paint the cabling and tubing in sub assemblies.

My assembly goal today is two more Reavers and two Warhounds. My group wants to walk through the rules in two weeks so I’m trying!

Fajita Fan wrote:
I have no idea how anyone paints a fully assembled Warlord that’s not just “spray ‘n wash” because I’m trying to paint the cabling and tubing in sub assemblies.

My assembly goal today is two more Reavers and two Warhounds. My group wants to walk through the rules in two weeks so I’m trying!

I'll be sure to capture my Reaver on video.

Spectral Ceramite wrote:

prastie wrote:
The models don't come with all of the weapon options and I won't buy two models just to get one with the loadout that I want.

This is something I find crazy for the AT release (and is another reason I have not bought it). Why not include a lot of options? Granted I am a big fan of N17 and they release the gangs with a few options and the rest are from Forge World (I did buy the forge World upgrade packs and am moderately happy with them). However are they gunna do it like N17 with upgrades available from FW? Or is it gunna be like the 40k knight kits? First is basic knight with limited options, next release have to get an entire new knight to get the carapace weapons and latest is buy another entire new knight to get all the weapons + the new weapon and cockpit guy.

I don't know. Could be that people were already going to complain about the cost so why throw in 1-2 more sprues and up the cost of each product by another 20-40... Who knows

 Ghool wrote:

 Toofast wrote:
My FLGS and Warhammer stores have a good crowd of people playing AoS, 40k, Shadespire, Kill Team and Necromunda. I have never seen anyone playing a game of Adeptus Titanicus. I've never seen anyone ask who is playing on the facebook groups. I've never seen anyone come in and buy models for it. I've never heard anyone asking around in the store if any of us play it. The whole game system might as well not exist in my area, despite every other game GW produces having a healthy playerbase. Nobody wants to buy into a $300-500 game system with 2-3 models to choose from.

'Nobody' is anecdotal at best.
I like a game that's more limited in scope with models and rules. And despite their only being 4 models for AT, the variety of builds and ways to play is deeper than some games that have a bloated mess of models.

Don't underestimate the appeal of a lean game system that doesn't require a lifestyle change to wrap your head around. Also, what's stopping one from playing a single titan?
'Complete' does not necessarily mean it has a gaggle of models or rules.

Don't be surprised by some of us buying into because of the reasons you list that 'No one' wants.

I think it's a great game and if nothing else comes out for it, it's still a highly repayable system that only requires me to buy and paint a dozen giant robots. GW did something right because that's exactly what I was looking for.
It's also the first GW minis game I have bought since the original Titan Legions.

I meant nobody in the context of the rest of the post, nobody in my area. I'm sure plenty of people in London or California or wherever else play it, but if nobody at FLGS or Warhammer stores in the entire southern half of Florida is playing it, then that's irrelevant to me.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
Adeptus Titanicus:

Executive Summary: Not offering enough shiny and different (skirmish) to offset the high risk (support, completely different scale, cost) of investment.

The Good:
- The models go together incredibly well, very precise fits, I enjoyed putting them together (for someone else).
- Thoughtful detail, I am pretty sure they made some round pockets specifically to put magnets in for weapon swaps.
- The detail is very nice, the panel lines, vents are incredibly well done (would have liked the toes on the feet to be separate bits but easy enough to cut out to articulate.
- Rules have sufficient detail that it feels like a complex walking battleship (cruiser? destroyer?).

The Bad:
- Expensive. I keep looking at the big box at $300 in my local store... just cannot do it.
- The scale I think is meant to be "different", so we are forced to buy more into the GW product and not other stuff out there which leads to...
- Slow releases. We have some terrain and some models but it may take some time before this game would feel even remotely fleshed-out. It is a very new game so it does feel more on it's own than some of the other box-set games.
- People I think are jittery about investing in this game and it possibly being perceived as a "total bust" and being dropped.

I really would like to see another kick at the can of releasing a new and improved "Epic" game but I think this is not it.
The scale is just big enough to keep everything around a "skirmish" sized game, it feels like it is trying to compete with 40k: the Epic game was for playing those huge battles for a couple hours hat take a few days to play as Apocalypse.

I have not seen any of the boxes move at my local hobby shop, I love the models but not enough to buy them and it looks like I would not have anyone to play.

Slight issue - let me guess, you're going by the whole "it's 8mm" thing? Because it's not, it's around 1:267 scale which puts a load of classic Epic stuff exactly in-scale or very near it, and a lot of third-party stuff the same - Vanguard's entire "6mm" infantry range, for example, or that third party not-Lucius Warlord. If you're letting folk in your area be put off by the scale, you're letting them be put off by a myth.

I'm also not sure what folk are waiting for regarding the game feeling "fleshed out", beyond the weapon sprues which aren't actually required to play(not that I excuse GW for failing to release them alongside their respective Titans, mind). With the three core Titan chassis and regular Knights the system is functionally complete and capable of generating an experience with far more depth and variety in gameplay than anything else GW produce right now. It seems like your complaint here is less that the game isn't sufficiently fleshed out, and more that it's not Epic. But it was never meant to be Epic, it's Adeptus Titanicus.

The cost thing has been done to death, but while I agree the Grandmaster box is a serious case of sticker shock, there's zero need to buy that, it's not a starter set just a discount bundle.

Honestly right now most of the issues I see people putting forward about the system are misconceptions.

I couldn't exalt this twice so I am seconding this.

The game is diverse with just one faction of models. That's silly when you think about it.

How many games are out there that could provide an in depth dynamic game with critical decision making and challenges just with a gread total of models?!

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
Adeptus Titanicus:

Executive Summary: Not offering enough shiny and different (skirmish) to offset the high risk (support, completely different scale, cost) of investment.

The Good:
- The models go together incredibly well, very precise fits, I enjoyed putting them together (for someone else).
- Thoughtful detail, I am pretty sure they made some round pockets specifically to put magnets in for weapon swaps.
- The detail is very nice, the panel lines, vents are incredibly well done (would have liked the toes on the feet to be separate bits but easy enough to cut out to articulate.
- Rules have sufficient detail that it feels like a complex walking battleship (cruiser? destroyer?).

The Bad:
- Expensive. I keep looking at the big box at $300 in my local store... just cannot do it.
- The scale I think is meant to be "different", so we are forced to buy more into the GW product and not other stuff out there which leads to...
- Slow releases. We have some terrain and some models but it may take some time before this game would feel even remotely fleshed-out. It is a very new game so it does feel more on it's own than some of the other box-set games.
- People I think are jittery about investing in this game and it possibly being perceived as a "total bust" and being dropped.

I really would like to see another kick at the can of releasing a new and improved "Epic" game but I think this is not it.
The scale is just big enough to keep everything around a "skirmish" sized game, it feels like it is trying to compete with 40k: the Epic game was for playing those huge battles for a couple hours hat take a few days to play as Apocalypse.

I have not seen any of the boxes move at my local hobby shop, I love the models but not enough to buy them and it looks like I would not have anyone to play.

Slight issue - let me guess, you're going by the whole "it's 8mm" thing? Because it's not, it's around 1:267 scale which puts a load of classic Epic stuff exactly in-scale or very near it, and a lot of third-party stuff the same - Vanguard's entire "6mm" infantry range, for example, or that third party not-Lucius Warlord. If you're letting folk in your area be put off by the scale, you're letting them be put off by a myth.

I'm also not sure what folk are waiting for regarding the game feeling "fleshed out", beyond the weapon sprues which aren't actually required to play(not that I excuse GW for failing to release them alongside their respective Titans, mind). With the three core Titan chassis and regular Knights the system is functionally complete and capable of generating an experience with far more depth and variety in gameplay than anything else GW produce right now. It seems like your complaint here is less that the game isn't sufficiently fleshed out, and more that it's not Epic. But it was never meant to be Epic, it's Adeptus Titanicus.

The cost thing has been done to death, but while I agree the Grandmaster box is a serious case of sticker shock, there's zero need to buy that, it's not a starter set just a discount bundle.

Honestly right now most of the issues I see people putting forward about the system are misconceptions.

Thats it.

GME is good for starting, if you wanna Play the maniple with 2 Warlord Titans. If not, its enough to buy a Starter Set and pick a maniple of own choice. That is something people have to understand about Adeptus Titanicus. AT is not Warhammer 40000. You do not play masses of models. You have a limited choice of units and three different types of maniples. This is what keeps the game balanced. If you do not play Matched Play, you are free to do whatever you want. Create you own missions or play the scenarios from the Book.

I know many are struggling because its low amout of different units. It seems more like a historical tabletop with Infantry, Cavalry and Artillery. Missions are also limited. But most important: Everything works fine. The Core titans are out now. Sure, we will see more Imperial Knight variants in the future. Weapon sets indeed. But is doesnt need anything additional to play. Get a Rulebook, choose a maniple and buy the Titans you need to play.

Finally got to play my first game using actual Maniples this past weekend. My Axiom against my wife's Venator. My Warlord blew apart her Knight banner save 1, who proceeded to charge valiantly forth. Her Reaver's machine spirit stubbornly refused to do anything other than fire it's Laser Blaster before finally allowing it's Princeps to core out my own Reaver. Warhound-on-Warhound action on the flank had the scout titans keeling over firing wildly as they fell and blowing arms off of their squadron mates. My last Warhound's reactor was going critical so I charged it forward before it went nuclear amidst it's rivals. Her second Warhound squadron leapt over some refinery pipelines to kick my Knight banner around like footballs and pouring Mega Bolter fire into the survivors.

My point is, even with such limited choice in units right now, the game is full of epic moments (pun intended). It is tactically deep and yet has enough random in it to keep things surprising and entertaining. It is about as far from "bust" as I have felt about a game for as long as I can remember.

Anyone seeing this game pick up steam yet?

Yes. It sells pretty well. Indeed warlord and reaver titans seems to be some of the best selling releases this year.

Far from bust. Success of sg games has led increased staff and resources.

Pancakey wrote:
Anyone seeing this game pick up steam yet?

Oh it's doing great guns. From the vigilus weekender:

I had a good chat about releases, future support and future plans. The Specialist Games team were very frank and open.

Games are divided into Tier One and Tier Two. Tier One games are games such as Blood Bowl and Necromunda that will continue to receive releases every three months - that could be models, supplements or gaming tools such as dice. These are the products that bring in the steady revenue and allow the games to grow and develop but also provide the profits to develop new games. However, that means the design team have to continue planning, sculpting and writing these products which reduces the time to develop new games. Currently, the design team is still small and time is divided between the three current specialists games of Bloodbowl, Necro. and AT.

So, how does this affect Battlefleet?

The original intention was to start Battlefleet this year. However... when the team sat down and planned out the resources it would take to get Battlefleet up and running including rules production, designing the classes of ship into CAD, designing counters and all the 'bits' of the game - they realised they would have to pull every member of the Specialist team off every project for the next year. This is due to the small size of the team and the resources they have. Clearly this is not possible if the other released games need continuing support to grow and develop with new releases. This means that currently Battlefleet has been shelved.

But...

Due to the success of all the Specialist Games (the Warlord and Reaver have been two of the most successful kits produced by GW this year) there are plans to increase the size of the Specialist Games team both in designers and rules writers. This will lead to an increased production capability that means that Battlefleet will eventually be worked on but not in the near future.

So, disappointing news but that can be tempered against the idea that the department is expanding and doing very well - possibly better than expected.

Full details here: http://heresy30k.invisionzone.com/topic/11846-penddraigs-summary-of-the-vigilus-open-day/