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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
They literally just called them chaos beastmen?

That implies that there are non-Chaos Beastmen!!! Loyalist Beastmen in a new Guard Codex confirmed!!

(/reading too much into it)

Heresy! Unsanctioned abhumans!

BrookM wrote:Some of those names are pure cringe.

Charax wrote:They called the Black Legion guy with a Hammer Black Hammer. For real.

Obsidius = Obsidian = Black
Mallex = Malleus = Hammer

That is a bit silly

Rein and Raus... that's a new level since the old WFRP days.

Is that supposed to translate as 'in and out?'

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Also continuing with useless and nonsensical rules just to match the model count in the box. 4 cultists or 7 traitor guard, yaaay!

So you’d prefer units of 10 for both. That you can’t Field from a single box?

Oh no. You’d just complain about that very thing instead.

I don't actually complain all the time for the sake of complaining, I only complain when GW does something bad. Admittedly, this is almost all the time, so it's no wonder that you got the wrong impression.

If GW wanted cross compatibility, they could also put a sensible number of minis in the box. They could also leave out stupid entries like a unit of 2 CSM. What the hell does that serve? They can already be fielded as normal CSM.

 lord_blackfang wrote:


If GW wanted cross compatibility, they could also put a sensible number of minis in the box. They could also leave out stupid entries like a unit of 2 CSM. What the hell does that serve? They can already be fielded as normal CSM.

Having less than normal unit size is just a plus though. If you want to use just these two blokes, you can. And as you said, if you want to build a full squad out of these minis, you can already do that too.

It's a bit weird that you can have unit of two marines... or unit of five or more. An unit of three or four marines is completely out of question!

But I only wished the things specific to this box like the beastmen, negavolts etc. had more variable unit sizes, so that you could more freely combine models from different boxes. Oh, and a horrible though occurred to me, these all units are probably unique like the Rogue Trader stuff, so you actually can't ever have more than one box's worth, even in separate units!

I haven't seen this:

Voss wrote:
Is that supposed to translate as 'in and out?'

Yes, it's the short form of herein and heraus (or hinein and hinaus).

Since no one else has commented on that, am I the only one (SM fanboy ) that would have loved to see a Space Marine or guardsmen as a playable character in Blackstone Fortress?

 Crimson wrote:

But I only wished the things specific to this box like the beastmen, negavolts etc. had more variable unit sizes, so that you could more freely combine models from different boxes. Oh, and a horrible though occurred to me, these all units are probably unique like the Rogue Trader stuff, so you actually can't ever have more than one box's worth, even in separate units!

Probably a policy to combat bits sellers, just like no-model-no-rules combats alternative minis.

There will probably be expansions. Didn't they ad bunch of AOS characters as playable heroes in the Silver Tower?

 Dryaktylus wrote:

Voss wrote:
Is that supposed to translate as 'in and out?'

Yes, it's the short form of herein and heraus (or hinein and hinaus).

Only question left open is if it's in the heist sense or if the Eldar Ranger's pose is now explained by her having to worry about something.

spartiatis wrote:
Since no one else has commented on that, am I the only one (SM fanboy ) that would have loved to see a Space Marine or guardsmen as a playable character in Blackstone Fortress?

Given the host of additional character cards for the fantasy versions, I expect there won't be a shortage of Marine characters in a separate card pack. Especially Primaris Lieutenants. Predominantly Primaris Lieutenants.

I'd expect the exact same approach, really. If it has a plastic blister, it'll get rules.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Also continuing with useless and nonsensical rules just to match the model count in the box. 4 cultists or 7 traitor guard, yaaay!

So you’d prefer units of 10 for both. That you can’t Field from a single box?

Oh no. You’d just complain about that very thing instead.

I don't actually complain all the time for the sake of complaining, I only complain when GW does something bad. Admittedly, this is almost all the time, so it's no wonder that you got the wrong impression.

If GW wanted cross compatibility, they could also put a sensible number of minis in the box. They could also leave out stupid entries like a unit of 2 CSM. What the hell does that serve? They can already be fielded as normal CSM.

I agree with Grotsnik, pretty much all your posts are moaning about something. The points serve people who may have first strike, or be running mini scenarios, playing small games and only have a few minis etc. Just because it doesn't serve YOU doesn't mean someone else won't make use of it.

On the subject of Blackstone Fortress, it looks pretty ace. The models look great and the ability to do your own adventures (according to the description) is nice as opposed to just a purely self contained game with a number of set scenarios.

With those unit sizes I hope they are unique units. If not filling detachments with pairs of CSM is going to be stupidly cheep.

So you can play the game solo. That's a nice feature.

I know everything must be 40k compatible because that's the money maker, but it's pretty annoying to have them shoehorned in to 40k with absurd unit sizes rather than given Kill Team rules where they'd fit perfectly...

ecurtz wrote:
I know everything must be 40k compatible because that's the money maker, but it's pretty annoying to have them shoehorned in to 40k with absurd unit sizes rather than given Kill Team rules where they'd fit perfectly...

Oh stop.

It’s a bonus. Another way to use the models you’ve just bought, outside their main game.

You cannot legitimately criticise nice little bonuses like that.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

ecurtz wrote:
I know everything must be 40k compatible because that's the money maker, but it's pretty annoying to have them shoehorned in to 40k with absurd unit sizes rather than given Kill Team rules where they'd fit perfectly...

Oh stop.

It’s a bonus. Another way to use the models you’ve just bought, outside their main game.

You cannot legitimately criticise nice little bonuses like that.

Well, I think that lack of Killteam rules is a completely valid complaint, these would be perfect for it. I hope they release such rules as a PDF or something.

spartiatis wrote:
Since no one else has commented on that, am I the only one (SM fanboy ) that would have loved to see a Space Marine or guardsmen as a playable character in Blackstone Fortress?

I would have loved to see a fallen angel, in particular. I hope they expand the game with more characters in an expansion pack...I thought I heard one was announced.

Most of these models can be run in Killteam using rules from a existing unit like Guardsmen of Chaos Cultists. Not sure why you need new rules that do something very slightly differently.

ETB and Colored plastic huh....

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

ecurtz wrote:
I know everything must be 40k compatible because that's the money maker, but it's pretty annoying to have them shoehorned in to 40k with absurd unit sizes rather than given Kill Team rules where they'd fit perfectly...

Oh stop.

It’s a bonus. Another way to use the models you’ve just bought, outside their main game.

You cannot legitimately criticise nice little bonuses like that.

It is not a bonus when it is designed with that in mind. Or do you seriously believe GW thinks this game will be the next big thing? These models have been made with the idea of people pluging them into their W40K armies, as count-as or whatever.

 xttz wrote:
Most of these models can be run in Killteam using rules from a existing unit like Guardsmen of Chaos Cultists. Not sure why you need new rules that do something very slightly differently.

Most, but not all. Obviously there is no reason to duplicate rules for units that already have them, but not all of these do.

 xttz wrote:
Most of these models can be run in Killteam using rules from a existing unit like Guardsmen of Chaos Cultists. Not sure why you need new rules that do something very slightly differently.

We do it for Marines....endlessly.

Variety is good - sadly Kill Team already has hugely annoying and arbitrary limits on units that can and can't be inlcuded.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
They could also leave out stupid entries like a unit of 2 CSM. What the hell does that serve? They can already be fielded as normal CSM.

It means I can immediately use the models I get in my brand-new game in 40k, without having to buy anything else. It means I can get some games in using Chaos models, and then I might think about a new army. Silver Tower was the same, until Tzaangors and Kairic Acolytes got a separate release, and it was also true of Deathwatch Overkill.


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 Galas wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

ecurtz wrote:
I know everything must be 40k compatible because that's the money maker, but it's pretty annoying to have them shoehorned in to 40k with absurd unit sizes rather than given Kill Team rules where they'd fit perfectly...

Oh stop.

It’s a bonus. Another way to use the models you’ve just bought, outside their main game.

You cannot legitimately criticise nice little bonuses like that.

It is not a bonus when it is designed with that in mind. Or do you seriously believe GW thinks this game will be the next big thing? These models have been made with the idea of people pluging them into their W40K armies, as count-as or whatever.

Of course they have. They did that with every board game they've ever made. I don't see how you can look at that and see it as a negative. However, I think you're very wrong if you're suggesting that's the only intention. They've put out all these different board games because … people like board games, and they like different kinds of board games. If the only reason for this game was to introduce new Chaos Marines, they'd have … released the new box of Chaos Marines that's undoubtedly in production, and not gone to all the effort of creating a board game.

And we've got an article up: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/11/04/the-blackstone-fortress-awakens/



EDIT.

TWO WEEK PREORDER WINDOW

Warhammer Quest: Blackstone Fortress will be out soon – you’ll be able to pre-order your copy on the 10th of November. Demand is expected to be incredibly high for this game, and so, to make sure everyone can get their copy, we’re extending our pre-order period by an extra week. You’ll be able to find Blackstone Fortress on shelves from Black(stone) Friday, on the 23rd of November.

this is the most interesting bit

Warhammer Quest: Blackstone Fortress is the basis for a brand-new series that’ll expand your game and allow you to continue your adventures. Future expansions will contain new battles to fight, enemies to conquer and champions to choose from. You can buy Warhammer Quest: Blackstone Fortress in the confidence that the game will be supported for a long, long time to come

a main studio game that they're planning to turn into a long running product like the specialist games stuff

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
They literally just called them chaos beastmen?

That implies that there are non-Chaos Beastmen!!! Loyalist Beastmen in a new Guard Codex confirmed!!
(/reading too much into it)

Nahh - but there are a few non-chaotic beastmen around, such as:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Gor-Half-horn-Beastman-Bounty-Hunter-2017

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

ecurtz wrote:
I know everything must be 40k compatible because that's the money maker, but it's pretty annoying to have them shoehorned in to 40k with absurd unit sizes rather than given Kill Team rules where they'd fit perfectly...

Oh stop.

It’s a bonus. Another way to use the models you’ve just bought, outside their main game.

You cannot legitimately criticise nice little bonuses like that.

"Well yes, OK, the free sample of cheese at the supermarket gave you super-Ebola, but it was free, you ingrate!"

Being a bonus doesn't make it immune to criticism, because it could well have been a better bonus.

Also of note, there's a 2 week pre-order

Warhammer Quest: Blackstone Fortress will be out soon – you’ll be able to pre-order your copy on the 10th of November. Demand is expected to be incredibly high for this game, and so, to make sure everyone can get their copy, we’re extending our pre-order period by an extra week. You’ll be able to find Blackstone Fortress on shelves from Black(stone) Friday, on the 23rd of November.

Looks like my next Necromunda campaign might have some house rules coming …