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Given all the names they could have given him, let's be thankful they went with a laterally shifted phaux-Latin pun.

Compared to an angry guy called Angron, a guy with an Iron Hand called Ferrus Manus (did he have that at birth/creation?) overseeing a military force of Iron Hands fond of literal Iron Hands and a military organisation of super marines clad in ultramarine armour called Ultramarines, it's super subtle and downright obscure naming there.

drbored wrote:
Loving these models. Not sure why they're going to give them piddly datasheets for 40k instead of just waiting to fit them into a codex or something, but ok.

Well, this means you can play them in 40k right out of the box. Immediately. Doesn't mean that some won't feature in future codices.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
If I had to guess I would venture that a Lost and the Damned book is on the horizon now. GW now have computer designs and molds of traitor guard, heretic psykers, beastmen and other weird cultists.

That's like half a codex right there!

Finally, Chaos soup!


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As an interesting side note, what about being issued an autogun instead of a lasgun makes a guardsman so upset he is 100% guaranteed to turn traitor?

Probably the abuse they suffer to get to ammo supplies. Consider that a laspack supposedly can be recharged with fire, now try the same with an empty magazine for a gun that works on patrons.
there also might be the fact that autguns will make a bigger mess when they hit something, (40k standard autoguns are somehwere in between 8mm-10 mm bullets, supposedly, atleast the ones the FW R&H came with) which means big ammounts of blood flow which in turn means Khorne gets a rage boner.


As a R&H player you can bet your ass that i want as many of these traitor guardsmen and beastmen as humanly possible!

As many have said, I’m pretty interested in the Guardsmen especially, from a 40k pov. The one thing I’ll be looking at from that aspect though, is how they will fit into CSM/DG/TS armies (if at all). Even if they don’t, I might pick up a few later on and run them as cultists, especially if they release them as their own kit.

Actually 7 traitor guardsmen for 35 pts?!?
And yes they will have the same statblock mostlikely?!?
They better get something good out of that 20% higher pts price then.
Jokes aside, why couldn't they make 10 man blocks for these?

Not Online!!! wrote:
Actually 7 traitor guardsmen for 35 pts?!?
And yes they will have the same statblock mostlikely?!?
They better get something good out of that 20% higher pts price then.
Jokes aside, why couldn't they make 10 man blocks for these?

Apparently they are 35 points because they have a flamer.
A flamer is 7 points. Guardsmen are 4 points each and there are 7 of them.
(4*7)+7 = 35

 Azazelx wrote:

Charax wrote:
They called the Black Legion guy with a Hammer Black Hammer. For real.

Obsidius = Obsidian = Black
Mallex = Malleus = Hammer

That is a bit silly

I'd like you to meet Ferrus Manus. He's a friend of Tony Stark and Ozzy Osbourne.

Ferrus manus, Corvus Corax, Lion el'Jonson, Sanguinius, the entirety of the 5th edition Warhammer Armies Lizardmen, all the original Space Dwarf models named after guns, etc, etc, ... Daft puns is part of the setting. In this particular case, it seems pretty justified - it looks like a perfectly reasonable epithet for that character.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Actually 7 traitor guardsmen for 35 pts?!?
And yes they will have the same statblock mostlikely?!?
They better get something good out of that 20% higher pts price then.
Jokes aside, why couldn't they make 10 man blocks for these?

Apparently they are 35 points because they have a flamer.
A flamer is 7 points. Guardsmen are 4 points each and there are 7 of them.
(4*7)+7 = 35

Didin't consider that they might bake the cost for the flamer in, however do we know that they did that?
Secondly they might also could be cultists, for all we know. Cost the same as guardsmen.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Actually 7 traitor guardsmen for 35 pts?!?
And yes they will have the same statblock mostlikely?!?
They better get something good out of that 20% higher pts price then.
Jokes aside, why couldn't they make 10 man blocks for these?

Apparently they are 35 points because they have a flamer.
A flamer is 7 points. Guardsmen are 4 points each and there are 7 of them.
(4*7)+7 = 35

Didin't consider that they might bake the cost for the flamer in, however do we know that they did that?
Secondly they might also could be cultists, for all we know. Cost the same as guardsmen.

The leaked photo with points says "wargear included" so yes, the flamer would be in there. As their 40k stats will probably be for cultists, that doesn't surprise me (and gives hope for Chapter Approved to raise Guardsmen cost to 5 ppm).

Kdash wrote:
As many have said, I’m pretty interested in the Guardsmen especially, from a 40k pov. The one thing I’ll be looking at from that aspect though, is how they will fit into CSM/DG/TS armies (if at all). Even if they don’t, I might pick up a few later on and run them as cultists, especially if they release them as their own kit.

Probably along the line of IA13? Or along the line of the old campaign book, maybee a hybrid of the two?
There are ways and if we get lucky we get a list not to disimilar to the IA13 R&H list, would also equally encompass dark mechanicum in there, since one of the demagogue (leader warlord options) was a heretek magos upgrade, which btw was immensly fun (50 man blob gets a fnp6+ for 10 pts? gimme!)

Edit: it seems my eyesight got poorer.
But would they name them traitor guardsmen then?

The datasheet for the models in this game will probably be for exactly the models in the game; two squads of six troopers and a leader each, one trooper with a flamer, one with an autopistol and close combat weapon, one with a laspistol and close combat weapon and a leader with laspistol and chainsword. A more generic datasheet with equipment options will come when we see a separate box released.

Do we also know what's up with the wierd unit sizes?

Probably for game balance reasons, and what fits on the sprue.

Purely based on the number of models in the box, it would seem.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Do we also know what's up with the wierd unit sizes?

That's just because that's the number of models in the WHQ:BF box. Doesn't mean anything for unit sizes if any of these units ever get released with a box set of their own. The 40k rules in this box are just to allow people to use the models in regular 40k, and I don't think you should read anything more in it. If these models ever get their own boxes and/or codexes, their rules/unit sizes/points costs will quite likely be different.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Probably the abuse they suffer to get to ammo supplies. Consider that a laspack supposedly can be recharged with fire, now try the same with an empty magazine for a gun that works on patrons.
there also might be the fact that autguns will make a bigger mess when they hit something, (40k standard autoguns are somehwere in between 8cm-10 cm bullets, supposedly, atleast the ones the FW R&H came with) which means big ammounts of blood flow which in turn means Khorne gets a rage boner.

Laspacks can't really be recharged that way (yes, you can theoretically do that but that damages them and besides, even if they were 100% efficient at absorbing heat energy you'd need a really big fire burning in enclosed oven for pretty long to gather energy for even a few piddly shots, though it's not like GW writers have any sense of scale).

Also, 10 cm? This is how 10 cm gun looks for comparison:

Exactly. the datasheets for the Genestealer Cult models in Deathwatch Overkill had a unit of two purestrain genestealers, no more no less. When the codex came out, what a surprise, you could have a different number in a unit.

Actually you get 7 cultists times two. But still, 2 champs and 2 flamers need to be split into two units.

My guess is there will be a second sprue with 3 additional guys and weapon options in the final box of cultists.

 Irbis wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Probably the abuse they suffer to get to ammo supplies. Consider that a laspack supposedly can be recharged with fire, now try the same with an empty magazine for a gun that works on patrons.
there also might be the fact that autguns will make a bigger mess when they hit something, (40k standard autoguns are somehwere in between 8cm-10 cm bullets, supposedly, atleast the ones the FW R&H came with) which means big ammounts of blood flow which in turn means Khorne gets a rage boner.

Laspacks can't really be recharged that way (yes, you can theoretically do that but that damages them and besides, even if they were 100% efficient at absorbing heat energy you'd need a really big fire burning in enclosed oven for pretty long to gather energy for even a few piddly shots, though it's not like GW writers have any sense of scale).

Also, 10 cm? This is how 10 cm gun looks for comparison:

Sorry meant mm, was a tad to excited there.

Edit: that is a STuH 42 i belive right? then this would be a 10.5 cm something no?

Cinderspirit wrote:
Actually you get 7 cultists times two. But still, 2 champs and 2 flamers need to be split into two units.

Yes; six troopers and a leader. 6 + 1 = 7.

I feel they want to hint something:
Traitor guardsmen, explicitly not cultists.
Rogue psyker, well known R&H HQ however , they generaly showed up as 1-5 and more recently in covens off 5.
beastmen,
Negavolt cultists,

on the other hand you got black legionaires at 2 each 13pts like regular csm.
Then there is our hammer bearing friend, which is quite expensive. Probably has some sort of rule?

 ch33ky.business wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

If they're clever, and looking at Silver Tower and Hammerhal this has yet to be demonstrated, then the game will have a bestiary of sorts, like original Quest.

The only reason I own so much WFB stuff is because of that Bestiary. I can do little Undead and Warriors Chaos/Beasts of Chaos forces simply because of all the options in the original WHQ Bestiary.

The chance to adds tons of new stuff - marauding Freebooterz, Necron constructs, Tyranid vanguard organisms, rogue Mechanicus constructs, (very) lost Tau, more Freezbooters (!) - so many different things that could be added (and sold!) just with a few pages of rules.

I'm not expecting a full bestiary out of the box but yes it would be nice. More likely to see other races added in any expansions I would have thought.
Fingers crossed for decent support.

Personally would love to see something similar to the old advanced space crusade with explorers fighting their way through a nid bioship, think that would also lend itself well to a randomly generated space dungeon crawler.

Really digging everything I've read on this so far, hopefully some good reveals about how it plays this week.
All aboard the hype train!

I'd love to see character packs done, featuring new models, rather than 40k repack.

Then, dungeon expansions, as they did for the Original Quest.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Whilst Ibris is a true champ at starting every one one of his posts with some variation of "You are wrong!"

You are wrong! It's Irbis not Ibris.

 MothCult wrote:
While all the models in this set look amazing, I think its safe to say the bad guy side won overall, just so many strong models.

I'd say Explorer won though just with the chainflamer model that is LOVE <3 <3 <3!!

Is it just me or does the chaos leader look primaris sized?

Whilst I'm hesitant to sound anywhere near sure, I suspect it's just the perspective?


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In terms of the expansions, I'd like to expand my thinking on those (I know, I'm great!).

Dungeon Expansions.

Additional tiles, scenarios. Tiles and tokens to suit. Then, a collection of new gribblies to fight. These could be an interesting way to re-do existing kits outside of the Codex Cycle. For instance. Orks. Bunch of Boyz, Loota/Burna, and a sprue of X new Kommandos, in plastic. Decent number of new models for Quest players, reason to buy it for Ork players, and temptation to get them into Quest.

Character expansions. Not. Repacks. Quest shouldn't be about Mighty Chaplains etc wandering off on their own. It should be used to explore the 'fringe' of 40k. Show us new stuff, not recycle existing.

And if they must use existing characters, give us alternate sculpts, yeah?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Additional tiles, scenarios. Tiles and tokens to suit. Then, a collection of new gribblies to fight. These could be an interesting way to re-do existing kits outside of the Codex Cycle. For instance. Orks. Bunch of Boyz, Loota/Burna, and a sprue of X new Kommandos, in plastic. Decent number of new models for Quest players, reason to buy it for Ork players, and temptation to get them into Quest.

If they do new Orks in a WHQ expansion, I'm certainly hoping for Freebootaz, which would fit thematically better than Kommandos, and are also a lot more "fringe". Of course, Freebootaz would still be "boyz", of a sort. Eldar corsairs would be a good fit also. On the more boring side, I think any kind of Necron and Genestealer cult would also be a good fit, though I'd deem genestealers very unlikely (as they already had their own "dungeon crawler" in Space Hulk). Perhaps we'll see more races previously not available in plastic, like Hrud, Enslavers, Demiurg, etc.

On the hero side, I'd say Adeptus Mechanicus and Inquisition would be obvious factions for more characters, especially from the more fringe factions (like a Magos Biologis, or Ordo Chronos agents). There's resumably dozens more Imperial and Xenos characters that could be part of the heroes.

If anything, I'd say regular marines are the most unlikely, as they don't seem to fit in the theme, to me (especially as Marines hardly ever wander about on their own). Of course, that probably won't stop GW, but it's encouarging that this box will only have 3 Space Marines, all of them Chaos - that means they'll be proper powerhouses, as they should be - far more scary than all the (Chaos) fodder.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Whilst I'm hesitant to sound anywhere near sure, I suspect it's just the perspective?

It looks to me like a 40mm base and he's definitely hulking over it like a mid 2000's terminator model. YMMV.

Is this going to come with a spure of a bunch of random base debris? Or is that stuff from an existing basing kit?

Looks like the debris on the bases is unique. The skull on the base of the Chaos Lord certainly is new.