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 TheGuest wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:


But... These were the most interesting...

I'm sorry but I found this to consolate you:
https://spikeybits.com/2018/11/breaking-new-blackstone-fortress-chaos-40k-rules.html

Servants of the Abyss, eh? That's interesting...


Negavolt cultists are really solid...5++/5+++ 3 S5 attacks that multiply hits by 3 and mortal wounds on charging. Nice.

Has it crossed your mind that maybe, just maybe*, these are simply ‘get you by’ rules, pending a new Codex to cover a long forgotten faction?

Worked for Silver Tower. We got the Arcanite Cultists and Tzaangors and then bam! Age of Sigmar codex about Tzeentch.

 Luciferian wrote:
I'm just miffed they didn't include any explicit rules for using the models in Kill Team

Gotta have somthing to fill the WD pages

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:
I'm just miffed they didn't include any explicit rules for using the models in Kill Team

Gotta have somthing to fill the WD pages

Well, looks like I'll be buying an issue of WD in the future

Spindle Drones are cool tho. I don't even know how you can field them at all with their non-faction faction but the special rule is cool.

Same as fortifications - so anyone can use them?

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 TheGuest wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:


But... These were the most interesting...

I'm sorry but I found this to consolate you:
https://spikeybits.com/2018/11/breaking-new-blackstone-fortress-chaos-40k-rules.html

Servants of the Abyss, eh? That's interesting...


Negavolt cultists are really solid...5++/5+++ 3 S5 attacks that multiply hits by 3 and mortal wounds on charging. Nice.

They're so much better than the CSM it's not even funny. Lol

So if this follows the same style as Silver Tower, there is going to be something released that flushes out Traitor Guard and Chaos Beastmen datasheets for use in CSM armies.
But what puzzles me, is what kind of release would that be? CSM already have their 8E Codex. I cannot image their would be a Codex: Black Legion over the far more needed Codex: Emperor's Children (for Fulgrim, plastic Noise Marines, etc) or even World Eaters.

Any thoughts, or are these durpy datasheets it until 9E?

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 Galef wrote:
So if this follows the same style as Silver Tower, there is going to be something released that flushes out Traitor Guard and Chaos Beastmen datasheets for use in CSM armies.
But what puzzles me, is what kind of release would that be? CSM already have their 8E Codex. I cannot image their would be a Codex: Black Legion over the far more needed Codex: Emperor's Children (for Fulgrim, plastic Noise Marines, etc) or even World Eaters.

Any thoughts, or are these durpy datasheets it until 9E?

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There's always Chapter Approved.

Maybee they will throw out another halfbaked Mini faction to replace the lost and the damned / R&h list.....

 Cephalobeard wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 TheGuest wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:


But... These were the most interesting...

I'm sorry but I found this to consolate you:
https://spikeybits.com/2018/11/breaking-new-blackstone-fortress-chaos-40k-rules.html

Servants of the Abyss, eh? That's interesting...


Negavolt cultists are really solid...5++/5+++ 3 S5 attacks that multiply hits by 3 and mortal wounds on charging. Nice.

They're so much better than the CSM it's not even funny. Lol

Feels like they dropped the ball on the Renegade Guard, CSMs and Beastmen.

I'd like to see the points for Obsidius, but, wow, that Thunder Hammer.

 techsoldaten wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 TheGuest wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:


But... These were the most interesting...

I'm sorry but I found this to consolate you:
https://spikeybits.com/2018/11/breaking-new-blackstone-fortress-chaos-40k-rules.html

Servants of the Abyss, eh? That's interesting...


Negavolt cultists are really solid...5++/5+++ 3 S5 attacks that multiply hits by 3 and mortal wounds on charging. Nice.

They're so much better than the CSM it's not even funny. Lol

Feels like they dropped the ball on the Renegade Guard, CSMs and Beastmen.

I'd like to see the points for Obsidius, but, wow, that Thunder Hammer.

102 pts for a csm Lord with a Thunder Hammer and pp.

 techsoldaten wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 TheGuest wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:


But... These were the most interesting...

I'm sorry but I found this to consolate you:
https://spikeybits.com/2018/11/breaking-new-blackstone-fortress-chaos-40k-rules.html

Servants of the Abyss, eh? That's interesting...


Negavolt cultists are really solid...5++/5+++ 3 S5 attacks that multiply hits by 3 and mortal wounds on charging. Nice.

They're so much better than the CSM it's not even funny. Lol

Feels like they dropped the ball on the Renegade Guard, CSMs and Beastmen.

I'd like to see the points for Obsidius, but, wow, that Thunder Hammer.

He’s 102 points.

Not a fan of the explicit statement that the robot is a Man of Iron. Even less of a fan of the idea of an army of them, but evidently I'm in the minority there and GW have already demonstrated that they're chucking out the whole grimdark decline thing, so it'll probably happen.

 Galef wrote:
So if this follows the same style as Silver Tower, there is going to be something released that flushes out Traitor Guard and Chaos Beastmen datasheets for use in CSM armies.
But what puzzles me, is what kind of release would that be? CSM already have their 8E Codex. I cannot image their would be a Codex: Black Legion over the far more needed Codex: Emperor's Children (for Fulgrim, plastic Noise Marines, etc) or even World Eaters.

Any thoughts, or are these durpy datasheets it until 9E?

-

If memory serves, Deathwatch are already on their 2nd Codex Of 8th Ed?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Galef wrote:
So if this follows the same style as Silver Tower, there is going to be something released that flushes out Traitor Guard and Chaos Beastmen datasheets for use in CSM armies.
But what puzzles me, is what kind of release would that be? CSM already have their 8E Codex. I cannot image their would be a Codex: Black Legion over the far more needed Codex: Emperor's Children (for Fulgrim, plastic Noise Marines, etc) or even World Eaters.

Any thoughts, or are these durpy datasheets it until 9E?

-

If memory serves, Deathwatch are already on their 2nd Codex Of 8th Ed?

Negative. Just 1 for 8th. Their 7th codex was right at the end.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Not a fan of the explicit statement that the robot is a Man of Iron. Even less of a fan of the idea of an army of them, but evidently I'm in the minority there and GW have already demonstrated that they're chucking out the whole grimdark decline thing, so it'll probably happen.

They are if you ignore the actual fluff..

Men of Iron also previously turned up in Guants Ghosts.

 Galef wrote:
So if this follows the same style as Silver Tower, there is going to be something released that flushes out Traitor Guard and Chaos Beastmen datasheets for use in CSM armies.
But what puzzles me, is what kind of release would that be? CSM already have their 8E Codex. I cannot image their would be a Codex: Black Legion over the far more needed Codex: Emperor's Children (for Fulgrim, plastic Noise Marines, etc) or even World Eaters.

Any thoughts, or are these durpy datasheets it until 9E?

-

I expect we'll start getting into campaign books next year after the major factions get their codices.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Not a fan of the explicit statement that the robot is a Man of Iron. Even less of a fan of the idea of an army of them, but evidently I'm in the minority there and GW have already demonstrated that they're chucking out the whole grimdark decline thing, so it'll probably happen.

They are if you ignore the actual fluff..

Primarchs coming back. Cawly Sue's Vault of Wonders(and loadsa new BiggerBetter Marines). March of the Bananamen, who've managed to stop being emo after 10k years. Eldar managing to botch the thing that was supposed to end their race in just the right way that it doesn't do that, but somehow also does kinda birth their new god afterall.

They can talk about their big warp rift(that doesn't materially change the balance of power once all the above is factored in, and which goes from being the biggest impediment that ever impeded mints to a triviality whenever the story they're telling or the models they're selling require it be crossed) and the like all they want, 40K doesn't feel like a doomed, futile, hopeless galaxy any more. I get that's their intent, and that a lot of folk like it, I'm just not one of them.

Men of Iron also previously turned up in Guants Ghosts.

That would be the first ever Black Library novel and Abnett's first 40K novel, back in 1999. I'm a big fan of his, but even his biggest fans surely have to admit his initial grasp of the fluff was a smidge tenuous in places, and that First & Only is more on the "Inquisition War" end of the 40K fiction spectrum.

 EnTyme wrote:

 Galef wrote:
So if this follows the same style as Silver Tower, there is going to be something released that flushes out Traitor Guard and Chaos Beastmen datasheets for use in CSM armies.
But what puzzles me, is what kind of release would that be? CSM already have their 8E Codex. I cannot image their would be a Codex: Black Legion over the far more needed Codex: Emperor's Children (for Fulgrim, plastic Noise Marines, etc) or even World Eaters.

Any thoughts, or are these durpy datasheets it until 9E?

-

I expect we'll start getting into campaign books next year after the major factions get their codices.

I would be fine with this. In fact, I'd probably prefer EC and WE have Campaign-style expansions/supplements rather than full on Codices. They really just need their Primarchs and Noise Marines released in plastic. No need for a whole separate Codex for just that.

Hopefully BSF is the beginnings of that as 90% of factions currently have a Codex right now.

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 Yodhrin wrote:

Primarchs coming back. Cawly Sue's Vault of Wonders(and loadsa new BiggerBetter Marines). March of the Bananamen, who've managed to stop being emo after 10k years. Eldar managing to botch the thing that was supposed to end their race in just the right way that it doesn't do that, but somehow also does kinda birth their new god afterall.

They can talk about their big warp rift(that doesn't materially change the balance of power once all the above is factored in, and which goes from being the biggest impediment that ever impeded mints to a triviality whenever the story they're telling or the models they're selling require it be crossed) and the like all they want, 40K doesn't feel like a doomed, futile, hopeless galaxy any more. I get that's their intent, and that a lot of folk like it, I'm just not one of them.

In terms of narrative, I think of 40k as more of an episodic structure vs. a serial one. They have to hit the reset button every week, or they can't continue the show with the same status quo their audience tunes in for. That means very few real consequences for the protagonists. There's still plenty of room for doom and gloom; if anything they're just expanding the scope of their current fluff and model lines to include some of the more zany and weird elements of the past, a la Rogue Trader.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Not a fan of the explicit statement that the robot is a Man of Iron. Even less of a fan of the idea of an army of them, but evidently I'm in the minority there and GW have already demonstrated that they're chucking out the whole grimdark decline thing, so it'll probably happen.

I'm all for the character really being a Man of Iron, but its how explicit its stated. kinda diminishes the wow factor. On the idea of them being an army I agree with you, 40k doesn't need it.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Not a fan of the explicit statement that the robot is a Man of Iron. Even less of a fan of the idea of an army of them, but evidently I'm in the minority there and GW have already demonstrated that they're chucking out the whole grimdark decline thing, so it'll probably happen.

They are if you ignore the actual fluff..

Primarchs coming back. Cawly Sue's Vault of Wonders(and loadsa new BiggerBetter Marines). March of the Bananamen, who've managed to stop being emo after 10k years. Eldar managing to botch the thing that was supposed to end their race in just the right way that it doesn't do that, but somehow also does kinda birth their new god afterall.

They can talk about their big warp rift(that doesn't materially change the balance of power once all the above is factored in, and which goes from being the biggest impediment that ever impeded mints to a triviality whenever the story they're telling or the models they're selling require it be crossed) and the like all they want, 40K doesn't feel like a doomed, futile, hopeless galaxy any more. I get that's their intent, and that a lot of folk like it, I'm just not one of them.

Men of Iron also previously turned up in Guants Ghosts.

That would be the first ever Black Library novel and Abnett's first 40K novel, back in 1999. I'm a big fan of his, but even his biggest fans surely have to admit his initial grasp of the fluff was a smidge tenuous in places, and that First & Only is more on the "Inquisition War" end of the 40K fiction spectrum.

So it was in the fluff right or wrong?

Warp rift is major - again if you read the actual fluff
The Loss of Cadia is major
Massive Daemonic incursions on Terra
Daemon Priarch manifesting

Yeah its all golden future and joy - compare it to the dross we had from Ward and co for Grey Knights and Wolves - now thats super super mary sue stuff that ignores the fluff.

 aka_mythos wrote:
I'm all for the character really being a Man of Iron, but its how explicit its stated. kinda diminishes the wow factor. On the idea of them being an army I agree with you, 40k doesn't need it.

And 40k already has armies full of robots. They're called Knights, AdMech, Necrons and T'au. So only the fluff would be "new" but the army already exists

Only Tau have semi-sentient automata though?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Only Tau have semi-sentient automata though?

Necrons? Tomb spiders and the other canoptic stuff would fit that description, maybe, even if the standard Necron warriors didn't?

Regardless of the fluff implications of the robot being an actual Man of Iron, it isn't really something that makes sense as a Man of Iron to me . The Dark Age of Technology was the height of scientific advancement for humanity, the current level of technology supposedly pales in comparison to what things were like back then. It really looks like something that's just an Imperial Robot, it fits in with the current styling and design approach of the 40k Imperium too much for something that's supposedly from the most advanced age of humanity. Obviously it's trying to pose as an Imperial Robot, but that lore says the robot itself is from back then. It's still a big, clunky, crude, somewhat primitive looking robot - that really isn't what they should be based on the little information we have, is it?

Btw quick snippets about the bases of BSF.

All bases are the normal undetailed slotted round ones but the models come with sligthy added base decoration in the slot part under the feets.

Most of the decoration it's just added by Heavy metal team, aside 2-3 bases with skulls on it most of that decoration it's rocks.

Also all models are easy to build with peg and holes.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Regardless of the fluff implications of the robot being an actual Man of Iron, it isn't really something that makes sense as a Man of Iron to me . The Dark Age of Technology was the height of scientific advancement for humanity, the current level of technology supposedly pales in comparison to what things were like back then. It really looks like something that's just an Imperial Robot, it fits in with the current styling and design approach of the 40k Imperium too much for something that's supposedly from the most advanced age of humanity. Obviously it's trying to pose as an Imperial Robot, but that lore says the robot itself is from back then. It's still a big, clunky, crude, somewhat primitive looking robot - that really isn't what they should be based on the little information we have, is it?

I think DAOT tech has gotten overhyped. It was mostly the same than current Imperial tech, they just understood how it worked and could easily replicate even things than in 40K are super rare.

I feel like the Man of Iron thing is forgetting that these things were mass-produced in huuuuuuuuuuuuge quantities.

Were we really expecting them to be something amazingly well-crafted or hyper detailed?

Can someone translate the Kroot abilities?I see camo for a better cover save, but I can't tell if that's infiltrator deepstrike or mid-game deepstrike, or what the other abilities are.