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Not Online!!! wrote: Yay, the chaos part is utter gak and servants / black legion only.
Fixed size and equipment for traitor guard, needless limits such as only 2 squads 1 squad, etc.
Better off just play them as csm /R&H units then.
That’s because those are data sheets for the models in the box. When a proper box of them comes out, you’ll get a data sheet with more options.
The point is not when but rather IF. Remember we are still waiting for a cultist box since the whole starterbox thingy.
Also the whole thing is qeustionable because it literally is non integratable in any CSM force, whilest itself as a detachment also just fills a patrol.
Cultists are a somewhat different issue, being a 40k starter box not a board game. However, it happened with Silver Tower and Deathwatch Overkill.
I am no betting man, especially in regards to Lost and the dammned / R&H listsy so i won't take a such a bet, granted they atleast make nice cultist models and i hope i can get rid easily enough of the worthless melee equipment.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
Because those spindle drones have faction keyword "Unaligned", I think they may be used in any Matched Play 40k army, much like fortifications. But only in an auxiliary detachment.
axisofentropy wrote: Because those spindle drones have faction keyword "Unaligned", I think they may be used in any Matched Play 40k army, much like fortifications. But only in an auxiliary detachment.
What! Tau, Necrons and Orks getting chance to get allies! The fine tuned swiss clock like balance of 8th ed will be ruined, I hope we get some Primaris Lieutenants to mitigate this.
axisofentropy wrote: Because those spindle drones have faction keyword "Unaligned", I think they may be used in any Matched Play 40k army, much like fortifications. But only in an auxiliary detachment.
What! Tau, Necrons and Orks getting chance to get allies! The fine tuned swiss clock like balance of 8th ed will be ruined, I hope we get some Primaris Lieutenants to mitigate this.
SHHH, he you, yes you, would you like to buy a swiss watch As for the allies, auxilia only so yes not quite as usefull.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
Have we any clue as to what the pre order bonuses are in GW stores? I doubt it will be worth the 20% odd I can save for buying online but it may be some nice little accessories.
From memory.....poker chip style activation counters, map of the Segmentum, print of the Ship. And there's something else, but I can't recall what it is.
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Freebies? Do you know if they will be included with online preorders from GW? If it’s something vaguely useful like activation counters, I might be tempted to order direct, rather than from Dark Sphere.
Lord Fishface wrote: Freebies? Do you know if they will be included with online preorders from GW? If it’s something vaguely useful like activation counters, I might be tempted to order direct, rather than from Dark Sphere.
I think freebies are generally only for those who preorder via an actual GW store, not for online preorders. An incentive to get people to come to the stores, I guess.
Sweet cheese and crackers. I’ve just received a copy of a limited ed 40k novel I’ve got coming out this month. It’s the best looking thing I’ve EVER seen. Jaw dropping design work by BL. So, so cool. I wish I could show it but I don’t think it’s announced until the weekend.
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taetrius67 wrote: I think about something can you take 3 x Obsidius Mallex?
I see nothing against
You're probably just missing something... since the rules aren't out yet and all. He's VERY obviously a unique named character and the intent is VERY obviously that you can take only one.
In any case, good luck finding an opponent who will play against Obsidius Mallex triplets.
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taetrius67 wrote: I think about something can you take 3 x Obsidius Mallex?
I see nothing against
You're probably just missing something... since the rules aren't out yet and all. He's VERY obviously a unique named character and the intent is VERY obviously that you can take only one.
In any case, good luck finding an opponent who will play against Obsidius Mallex triplets.
OK, now looking at the English version of Draik's datasheet. he is actually slightly different than Vhane. poison pistol, worse buff, different grenade.
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Hmm. It seems that the 40K rules are a bit of a mess. There are three sniper characters who have really pathetic sniper weapons. They should have given their guns more punch otherwise there is no reason to include them over normal sniper guys of their faction.
Also, Keywords are really, really restrictive. You cannot really use many of these outside auxiliary. You can pack chaos guys in a patrol with Mallex, but then that's quite a bit of points used on units that will generate zero CP.
Now I didn't expect meta shattering awesomeness, but I kinda hoped that they would not be Grey Knight terrible...
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Now I didn't expect meta shattering awesomeness, but I kinda hoped that they would not be Grey Knight terrible...
They're basic rules to let people put them on the table and play. When there is time we'll likely see them all swept up into a bigger codex with proper codex treatment.
The "Servants of the Abyss" is probably the new faction for whenever they get their treatment.
Now I didn't expect meta shattering awesomeness, but I kinda hoped that they would not be Grey Knight terrible...
They're basic rules to let people put them on the table and play. When there is time we'll likely see them all swept up into a bigger codex with proper codex treatment.
The "Servants of the Abyss" is probably the new faction for whenever they get their treatment.
Thing is, they're effectively unusable now. If that stupid 'Battlebrothers' rule wouldn't exist, then at least they would have some use, but alas...
Now I didn't expect meta shattering awesomeness, but I kinda hoped that they would not be Grey Knight terrible...
They're basic rules to let people put them on the table and play. When there is time we'll likely see them all swept up into a bigger codex with proper codex treatment.
The "Servants of the Abyss" is probably the new faction for whenever they get their treatment.
Thing is, they're effectively unusable now. If that stupid 'Battlebrothers' rule wouldn't exist, then at least they would have some use, but alas...
Plenty usable in friendly games. There is no need to rush them to matched play and cause more issues.
Look at the Key Words for the Heroes Of Silver Tower.
Especially the Elves. Still no faction. Even said they’re not necessarily getting a faction.
The two Aelfs are Shadowkin. We've known that since very early on. They did not get faction keywords because of the fact that Shadowkin are looking to be a Plot Point with regards to the return of Slaanesh.
That said, I feel this is a bit of a damned if they do damned if they don't situation.
If the stuff like UR-025 or the Spindle Drones saw specific faction keywords--there'd be tears over the fact that one faction got them but the others didn't. As it stands now? If I want to use UR-025, I have to(shock and gasp!) use an Auxiliary Detachment netting me a single Command Point penalty.
Not bothered by it.
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Well, the real problem is the 'battlebrothers' rule. These would work fine without it. It is pointless and stupid rule that only achieves squishing fluffy nonsense builds that were never a problem in the first place.
Allowing the random mishmash of things from board games into tournament games is a recipe for disaster though - just from the cheap slot filling rather than any rule.
Til you've got a proper army release, don't really need serious 40K rules - just something to allow you to play a finale game for your campaign. Marines deepstriking to rescue/arrest the Starstriders, or the last stand of the Blackstone Explorers as they try to rally the denizens of Precipice against a chaos horde.
Tastyfish wrote: Allowing the random mishmash of things from board games into tournament games is a recipe for disaster though - just from the cheap slot filling rather than any rule.
Til you've got a proper army release, don't really need serious 40K rules - just something to allow you to play a finale game for your campaign. Marines deepstriking to rescue/arrest the Starstriders, or the last stand of the Blackstone Explorers as they try to rally the denizens of Precipice against a chaos horde.
Great for those who like to play open and non-competitive narrative games, tho'. And I have to say that I find these Rogue Trader releases are pretty inspiring in that regard.
bout fething time. Do you think that Bellisius Shawl, the infamous dark mechanicus genius, has decided to unleash them after 10k years of incomprehensible indecision?
