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jullevi wrote:



If by "all" you mean first 4 out of 10, I guess you are correct. Also, Easy-to-build has nothing to do with "lack of mental capability".

Hmm, no, correction, only the Newest Nurgle team drop the peg to insert into the slot base, But ALL of blood bowl kit come with slot base (even the Nurgle team), Here's the previous one, which is Dark Elf, still have the peg to insert into slot base. take a look.

Chopstick wrote:

jullevi wrote:



If by "all" you mean first 4 out of 10, I guess you are correct. Also, Easy-to-build has nothing to do with "lack of mental capability".

Hmm, no, correction, only the Newest Nurgle team drop the peg to insert into the slot base, But ALL of blood bowl kit come with slot base (even the Nurgle team), Here's the previous one, which is Dark Elf, still have the peg to insert into slot base. take a look.

Spoiler:

I definitely wouldn't call the newer BB teams easy to build. I recently put the Chaos team together and it required more time than most 40k kits I have put together. Slotta base does not necessarily mean easy to build. Heck on the Chaos BB team you have to fill the base in, which is far more work than just gluing the model to the base. Also let's not take digs at people for liking easy to build kits or being new hobbyists.

 Sabotage! wrote:

I definitely wouldn't call the newer BB teams easy to build. I recently put the Chaos team together and it required more time than most 40k kits I have put together. Slotta base does not necessarily mean easy to build. Heck on the Chaos BB team you have to fill the base in, which is far more work than just gluing the model to the base. Also let's not take digs at people for liking easy to build kits or being new hobbyists.

I never said Blood Bowl are easy to build or made for new players. The guy said he didn't see any slot base kit in a long time. For this game (Blackstone Fortress) however, they want it to be easier for a non-hobby player to play, hence the red plastic, easy to build and no glue required.

Well, finally watched the Warhammer play through video. I must admit, I'm pretty psyched to play this game. Having never played a dungeon crawler before, I kinda like the idea of all the actions that can be done and that it's not just all kill, kill, kill. Roll on 2 weeks.

How not to die: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/11/13/13th-nov-blackstone-fortress-how-not-to-diegw-homepage-post-2/

I believe discussions of Blood Bowl Bases can be taken to the Specialist Games Forum.

Thank you for your cooperation.

How long did it take from the release of Silver Tower before new heroes went on sale? Would be cool if we had a few more options. Here are some random ideas that might make for cool minis:

Ork Freebooter/Blood Axe Scout
Harlequin Mime
Squat Mercenary
Inquisitor (a low ranking one)
Death Watch Scout (hopefully not too op)
Eldar Exodite
Tau Pathfinder
Ogryn

I have no real desire to see marines playable in this. They would just be able to go toe to toe with the csm too easy. But stuff like a demiurg, exodite, inquisitor, voidsmen would all be great options. A demiurg would be great though cause a card in this game acknowledges their existence.

Why would a marine be op in this game? The 40k datasheet of the explorer shows that they could take a few marines rather easily

 streetsamurai wrote:
Why would a marine be op in this game? The 40k datasheet of the explorer shows that they could take a few marines rather easily

I could see the robot taking on marines but the ratlings, navigator not so much. I haven't even looked at the 40k datasheets I have no intention of using the explorers in 40k. I'm talking moreso to do with the lore. A single marine should be able to wipe most of these enemies like traitor guardsmen with ease compared to what the kroot guy could do. I'm also glad the obsidius guy sounds tough cause he should be able to kill all four explorers without breaking a sweat.

 Thargrim wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Why would a marine be op in this game? The 40k datasheet of the explorer shows that they could take a few marines rather easily

I could see the robot taking on marines but the ratlings, navigator not so much.

Navigator is actually one of the strongest character in the team, Psychic Barrier protect him and allies against attack and the Third Eye blasting people to oblivion.

Now that I think about it, only the Ratling, the zealot and the Kroot do not have protection against attack. The other are well equipped with armor or rare relic like Rosarius or Phase Crystal.

tinbee wrote:
How long did it take from the release of Silver Tower before new heroes went on sale? Would be cool if we had a few more options. Here are some random ideas that might make for cool minis:

Ork Freebooter/Blood Axe Scout
Harlequin Mime
Squat Mercenary
Inquisitor (a low ranking one)
Death Watch Scout (hopefully not too op)
Eldar Exodite
Tau Pathfinder
Ogryn

None of these exist as single models in plastic, so the chances are slim to none outside of a major Blackstone Fortress expansion.

What's far more likely, at least for the initial releases, are things like the Fireblade, Succubus, Haemonculus, that blasted Commissar everyone has, maybe an Ork Mek or Painboy, a low level Shadowseer or Autarch, and the Techpriest Enginseer.

I do hope we get proper character releases for this game, real expansions and further adventures within the Blackstone Fortress. I expect a reboxing of existing plastic minis however.

I'd say if GW were smart, they'd sell a mini-box with 4-5 minis in it, from tinbee's list.

Add in:

Escher lieutenant
Goliath facebreaker
Van Saar henchman
Admech Dominus
Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau

maybe that old half-eldar marine Ultramarine captain....

Escher lieutenant
Goliath facebreaker
Van Saar henchman

Why would three random gangers from minor houses from one hive on a single planet be all the way over there?

tinbee wrote:
How long did it take from the release of Silver Tower before new heroes went on sale? Would be cool if we had a few more options. Here are some random ideas that might make for cool minis:

Ork Freebooter/Blood Axe Scout
Harlequin Mime
Squat Mercenary
Inquisitor (a low ranking one)
Death Watch Scout (hopefully not too op)
Eldar Exodite
Tau Pathfinder
Ogryn

Silver tower never had any new miniatures at all, just hero cards for existing minis. The first one of those came I white dwarf the week silver tower launched and there was a hero box set of old minis within a month.
Hopefully the plans are more ambitious this time around.

I think design-wise, BSF is being seen as an opportunity to delve into the background material of 40k, and I expect gw to do just that with the expansions. I don’t see them reboxing existing models for this, as Killteam has that end of things covered with the Commanders release. I could be wrong, but I think this is them paying attention to what folks find appealing in things like inq28 and Blanchitsu and tapping into that.

Maybe not re-boxing, but a set of cards to use existing models wouldn't surprise me.

Maybe. I think the issue with the clam pack characters from 40k getting cards is that being HQ level characters they should be on a par with Obsidius, who is meant to be a threat that could wipe the whole party. It just doesn’t fit well thematically. This leads me to think we’ll see brand new stuff, and probably pregen like the chars in the boxed set, with the rank and file enemies being obscure, with no intent to expand them into armies, or previews of things that will get expanded on in 40k.

I'm more interest in Shadespire/Night vault style explorer-band, 3-4 characters, enough for a party, along with ship and some cards.

When they first released Silver Tower, they didn't really intended to have expansions for it. The game was a pretty big success, which is why they eventually released additional stuff, but then it was just cards/new game structure, without new minis (because these take a lot longer to make).

This time around it's different. Expansions are planned from the get-go. I'm pretty sure there are some new minis already in the pipes.
If I had to guess, I think the expansions will be rather big: 2-4 explorers + ~3 groups of hostiles (from the same "team", like all drones, all ur-ghuls etc.), and appropriate tiles/cards.
They could even mix old and new models to increase their margin (something we see quite often with GW). For instance a bunch of old necrons (with maybe a new kit for one of the unit), and a couple a brand new explorers.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tinbee wrote:
How long did it take from the release of Silver Tower before new heroes went on sale? Would be cool if we had a few more options. Here are some random ideas that might make for cool minis:

Ork Freebooter/Blood Axe Scout
Harlequin Mime
Squat Mercenary
Inquisitor (a low ranking one)
Death Watch Scout (hopefully not too op)
Eldar Exodite
Tau Pathfinder
Ogryn

None of these exist as single models in plastic, so the chances are slim to none outside of a major Blackstone Fortress expansion.

What's far more likely, at least for the initial releases, are things like the Fireblade, Succubus, Haemonculus, that blasted Commissar everyone has, maybe an Ork Mek or Painboy, a low level Shadowseer or Autarch, and the Techpriest Enginseer.

I do hope we get proper character releases for this game, real expansions and further adventures within the Blackstone Fortress. I expect a reboxing of existing plastic minis however.

They've said they're going to be doing expansions, so that ups their chances quite a bit.

 Stormonu wrote:


Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau

I see what you did there... and I will buy five copies if this happens!

Chopstick wrote:
I'm more interest in Shadespire/Night vault style explorer-band, 3-4 characters, enough for a party, along with ship and some cards.

Me too. Maybe offer "hero packs" with a few heroes and their accompanying cards, and "villain packs" with a group of hostiles or a big hostile and their cards. Maybe occasionally do a big expansion with a few new tiles, general cards, some heroes and 3 or 4 types of hostiles.

Personally I want to see an Inquisitor/ Interrogator and a Storm Trooper/Mercenary run and gun midrange type hero. As far as baddies go my list is far too long.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Escher lieutenant
Goliath facebreaker
Van Saar henchman

Why would three random gangers from minor houses from one hive on a single planet be all the way over there?

Night out on the razz got really out of hand?

Me, I'm quite intrigued at the Ur-Ghul's presence.

There's mention they're 'native to the Webway', and nobody is quite sure how they got aboard the Blackstone. Two obvious explanations? There's a Webway/Dolmen Gate on the Blackstone Fortress. And it's at least partially active, or functioning. Or.....the Ur-Ghul are in fact debased Old Ones...

Ur does typically mean 'First', as already mentioned elsewhere. Ghul apparently means demon, going on the translation of Ra's Al Ghul in Batman (The Chief Demon).

Almost certainly the former I'd say (allowing more Eldar to be introduced). But the latter could be an interesting one.


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 Sabotage! wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
I'm more interest in Shadespire/Night vault style explorer-band, 3-4 characters, enough for a party, along with ship and some cards.

Me too. Maybe offer "hero packs" with a few heroes and their accompanying cards, and "villain packs" with a group of hostiles or a big hostile and their cards. Maybe occasionally do a big expansion with a few new tiles, general cards, some heroes and 3 or 4 types of hostiles.

Personally I want to see an Inquisitor/ Interrogator and a Storm Trooper/Mercenary run and gun midrange type hero. As far as baddies go my list is far too long.

Reckon those packs can double up as hero and villain packs without much effort on GW's part. That'd be cool.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Escher lieutenant
Goliath facebreaker
Van Saar henchman

Why would three random gangers from minor houses from one hive on a single planet be all the way over there?

Night out on the razz got really out of hand?

Me, I'm quite intrigued at the Ur-Ghul's presence.

There's mention they're 'native to the Webway', and nobody is quite sure how they got aboard the Blackstone. Two obvious explanations? There's a Webway/Dolmen Gate on the Blackstone Fortress. And it's at least partially active, or functioning. Or.....the Ur-Ghul are in fact debased Old Ones...

Ur does typically mean 'First', as already mentioned elsewhere. Ghul apparently means demon, going on the translation of Ra's Al Ghul in Batman (The Chief Demon).

Almost certainly the former I'd say (allowing more Eldar to be introduced). But the latter could be an interesting one.

I wouldn’t be surprised if there were active/forgotten/lost webway gates on the blackstone fortresses, given their historical links.

As for the Ur-Ghuls, it could be one of many things, from them being the first actual daemons, or, the first Daemon like creature the Eldar came across, and then subsequently game them a super imaginative name.

Dread Master wrote:
I think design-wise, BSF is being seen as an opportunity to delve into the background material of 40k, and I expect gw to do just that with the expansions. I don’t see them reboxing existing models for this, as Killteam has that end of things covered with the Commanders release. I could be wrong, but I think this is them paying attention to what folks find appealing in things like inq28 and Blanchitsu and tapping into that.

I think you are spot-on with this notion. I expect this to become an outlet for the "forgotten" parts of 40k that will most likely never see a big release because they are just at too small in scale.

I'm also against simple reboxing.

If BFS is to be genuinely it's own thing (and whilst not promised, I think there's implication of that), we need to see entirely new models for it.

Some can be new sculpts of existing stuff. Ref Ranger, Kroot and Ratlings. The rest need to be entirely new. Ref Navigator, Robot.

I'd happily see character card packs with LOTS of cards in them, and perhaps some multi-figure reboxings with a substantial discount baked in, as they did with Silver Tower. My biggest fear is ridiculously overpriced a la carte characters as we've seen with Kill Team's reboxed heroes. Using new sculpts instead doesn't make that gak okay.

There I disagree.

The Commanders thing irks me, because it's an existing sculpt. That to me feels different to a new sculpt released for a specific game.

Dunno. I appreciate it's splitting hairs to some degree, but I hope you get what I mean.

Oh, I get what you mean. I just disagree completely.

Not at the prices that they're asking for the KT ones, repack *or* new models. I wouldn't be okay with that at all.

I fear that it's exactly what they'll do, though.

I'd rather that they follow the boardgame model and release addtional heroes via proper expansions, but I think the single-model box is what they will choose to do instead.

But yeah, I'd really like it if they would sell card packs (ST-style) that would allow the use of as many as possible/all of the current existing character model range (including those that they have just finished reboxing for KT.), and some multi-hero reboxings at a discount.