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Quasistellar wrote: As amazing as the Crusader looks, it’s rather depressing that a model with a gigantic inquisition symbol can’t be taken in an Inquisition detachment.
It's not the Inquisitiorial seal.
That's the Ecclesiarchy's symbol.
Indeed you are correct. Seems they’ve completely separated them from Inquisition. (Old ones had inquisition symbol and a kinda hybrid inquisition/Ecclesiarchy symbol on shield).
Just more evidence that Inquisition is being abandoned completely?
Just more evidence that the Ecclesiarchy is becoming a distinct faction once more, I’d say, rather.
Agreed. Good news for Ecclesiarchy rather than bad for the Inquisition.
Feel like you’re just trying to use the evidence to say they are dropping Inquisition, then when a fact comes, you just say the same thing again but including that new info..
I mean the Inquisition has had releases, albeit in Eisenhower special form, but clearly not being abandoned (and just look at BL and fluff, there’s a lot of mention of them, no less now than before..)
Its more likely its a one-off model that isn't indicative to a change in focus (positive or negative) of either faction. Sometimes they just like doing models they think are neat and never follow up trying to build a pattern for a whole army out of a single model..
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Lord Damocles wrote: It's disappointing that Combat Arena is USA and Germany only. They neglected to mention that in the Community article which revealed it.
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Yes, that was pretty annoying as I'd been waiting for it and there was nothing after the original reveal
So far, all the GW games previewed at the New York Toy Fair for 2018 and 2019 are only available in North America and some distributors in Germany. These products are not really meant for gamers, but are placed in non-gaming stores (e.g., Barnes & Noble) as a means to reach those who may otherwise have no exposure to Games Workshop or miniature wargaming.
That may be who they're designed for, but that doesn't mean nobody else would want them. I'd very much like that "cut down" version of Blood Bowl since it seems like the time investment(both in getting up & running/familiar with the rules, and for any given game) is a lot less than the "proper" system. Unless their production woes mean they literally can't produce enough to stock them in more than just America, it seems silly not to offer them everywhere they can - it's not like we don't have toy stores and book shops in the UK, or France, or New Zealand etc.
As for Escalation, the models are very nice, we'll have to see what the price is like.
There's also the minor point that GW literally advertised the games from the the New York Toy Fair to their already invested customers via the Community site.
It's the equivalent of saying 'Look at these cool models you'll be able to get! ... Psych! Those models are only available in this much larger/more expensive box.'
I'll just have to pick up the Psyker and Trader from eBay.
By only selling them at big box retailers instead of game stores, they send the gamers to those stores. Those stores see enough sales to order the next round of games which they may not have done otherwise. Of course GW could also think that the gamers buy all of their products anyway and won't want these because they already have those miniatures. Either way, just expect the New York Toy Fair previews to be North America and Germany only like the partworks are limited to the UK, Ireland and Spain (I don't think it's available anywhere else yet).
Does anyone know if the German versions are actually in German, or are they just getting the same English boxes as the American release?
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Lord Damocles wrote: It's disappointing that Combat Arena is USA and Germany only. They neglected to mention that in the Community article which revealed it.
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Yes, that was pretty annoying as I'd been waiting for it and there was nothing after the original reveal
So far, all the GW games previewed at the New York Toy Fair for 2018 and 2019 are only available in North America and some distributors in Germany. These products are not really meant for gamers, but are placed in non-gaming stores (e.g., Barnes & Noble) as a means to reach those who may otherwise have no exposure to Games Workshop or miniature wargaming.
That may be who they're designed for, but that doesn't mean nobody else would want them. I'd very much like that "cut down" version of Blood Bowl since it seems like the time investment(both in getting up & running/familiar with the rules, and for any given game) is a lot less than the "proper" system. Unless their production woes mean they literally can't produce enough to stock them in more than just America, it seems silly not to offer them everywhere they can - it's not like we don't have toy stores and book shops in the UK, or France, or New Zealand etc.
As for Escalation, the models are very nice, we'll have to see what the price is like.
There's also the minor point that GW literally advertised the games from the the New York Toy Fair to their already invested customers via the Community site.
It's the equivalent of saying 'Look at these cool models you'll be able to get! ... Psych! Those models are only available in this much larger/more expensive box.'
I'll just have to pick up the Psyker and Trader from eBay.
By only selling them at big box retailers instead of game stores, they send the gamers to those stores. Those stores see enough sales to order the next round of games which they may not have done otherwise. Of course GW could also think that the gamers buy all of their products anyway and won't want these because they already have those miniatures. Either way, just expect the New York Toy Fair previews to be North America and Germany only like the partworks are limited to the UK, Ireland and Spain (I don't think it's available anywhere else yet).
There's a notable difference however between a 3rd party agent not reselling their products internationally, compared to main GW not selling a direct boxed game internationally.
Also unless I'm missing anything what has the New York toy fair got to do with German releases? It's an abstract leap to assume anything shown there is unique to US and Germany by default.
Lord Damocles wrote: There's also the minor point that GW literally advertised the games from the the New York Toy Fair to their already invested customers via the Community site.
Did they say that these board games would be in wide release?
Lord Damocles wrote: It's the equivalent of saying 'Look at these cool models you'll be able to get! ... Psych! Those models are only available in this much larger/more expensive box.'
I seem to recall them saying that they'd be available later on and not just in that box. Lo and behold, they are. What's the problem again?
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Voss wrote: Its more likely its a one-off model that isn't indicative to a change in focus (positive or negative) of either faction. Sometimes they just like doing models they think are neat and never follow up trying to build a pattern for a whole army out of a single model..
Oh in terms of getting a faction release for 40k? No this means nothing for any of them.
My reply was in terms of GW ‘forgetting about the Inquisition’ not being a thing. They just have an order / priority for things..
Whether they will ever get full 40k treatment... maybe
Lord Damocles wrote: There's also the minor point that GW literally advertised the games from the the New York Toy Fair to their already invested customers via the Community site.
Did they say that these board games would be in wide release?
Lord Damocles wrote: It's the equivalent of saying 'Look at these cool models you'll be able to get! ... Psych! Those models are only available in this much larger/more expensive box.'
I seem to recall them saying that they'd be available later on and not just in that box. Lo and behold, they are. What's the problem again?
And this is just the same anger there was when SM Heroes first came out in Japan, people got mad, but GW never said it was going to be worldwide.
(Though in that instance look, years of persistence did pay off..)
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(Though in that instance look, years of persistence did pay off..)
No, years of those who cannot be spoken of on dakka making money hand over fist doing that which cannot be spoken of on dakka and threatening GW's copyright in some markets (because that *IS* a thing) convinced them they may need to do something.
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Not as keen on this cultists as I was on the others, but they are nice though. And variety is the spice of life and all that.
The heroes are excellent though. Techpriest and servitor are the standouts for me. The pistol wielding pirate girl is about the weakest for me though. So many ways they could have went with a pegleg and they went with that. The Crusader is nice, but now we have 3 of the same model with the exact same pose. Bit unfortunate.
Yeah, peg leg is pretty damn silly (good luck fighting on, well, pretty much anything? Lessee... soft will sink; wood will stick; gravel will shift; anything slick like a polished surface will slide; anything perforated or with cracks is straight out; stone will probably hurt your knee unless there's there's a ton of padding in that guard... uh, let's go with maybe painful, over unusable. Maybe also metal.).
On the Crusader, I think they were going with a "classic" look, but, yeah, it's a bit weak. Maybe when Sisters relaunch they'll have more than 1.5 poses
Many of these characters have a flat pose so they can all fit in the small sprue with less bits. Unlike say Silver Tower where everyone get their own character sprue.
I guess you can tell just from looking at the pictures, especially for the grunt cultists. The characters on the other hand do look a little flat, but as what will likely be push-fit what more can be expected?
No, but look king at how they pose I reckon this is the same sculptor for Blackstone Fortress and Rogue Trader Killteam., their pose always have a very flat 2d feeling. So I reckon this team would've been the same as those 2.
That's also remind me of the T-pose Ur-ghul and I hope no model had to suffer the t-pose curse just because the sprue space run out. As least the bored-pose CSM get a full-blown release and their own set with much better pose and sculpt.
Some of the models don't lend themselves well to the flat poses, but on the whole the models in Blackstone are pretty damn good and are way better than the Rogue Trader models.
Sorry, I edited the images while you were posting.
They (like the other BSF minis) look pretty dynamic to me, where appropriate. I mean, it's not capoeira-over-tactical-rocks like Infinity, but that's for the better IMO. The ones with grenades are flinging them, the ones with guns are shooting them. It's be nice to have a Crusader who's not doing that "at rest" pose with his sword and shield like the two we already have, but since those two are probably not long for this world, it's not a huge issue.
I just want to see a full release of 40k for Cultists and for Lost and the damned / R&H that hasn't pathetic rules.
ALSO FINALLY A PROPPER ASSULT RIFLE WITH STOCK.
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What do you mean "finally"? OK, some scrotey chaos cultists have mislaid theirs, but all the other models I can think of that have been armed with autoguns over the years have proper stocks.
Are there a rules release for the Rogue Trader Inquisitor, and Chaos Kill teams for Blackstone Fortress?
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AndrewGPaul wrote: What do you mean "finally"? OK, some scrotey chaos cultists have mislaid theirs, but all the other models I can think of that have been armed with autoguns over the years have proper stocks.
9/10 models from the box had NONE, on a AUTOGUN.
Just NO.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
Lord Damocles wrote: It's disappointing that Combat Arena is USA and Germany only. They neglected to mention that in the Community article which revealed it.
.
Yes, that was pretty annoying as I'd been waiting for it and there was nothing after the original reveal
So far, all the GW games previewed at the New York Toy Fair for 2018 and 2019 are only available in North America and some distributors in Germany. These products are not really meant for gamers, but are placed in non-gaming stores (e.g., Barnes & Noble) as a means to reach those who may otherwise have no exposure to Games Workshop or miniature wargaming.
That may be who they're designed for, but that doesn't mean nobody else would want them. I'd very much like that "cut down" version of Blood Bowl since it seems like the time investment(both in getting up & running/familiar with the rules, and for any given game) is a lot less than the "proper" system. Unless their production woes mean they literally can't produce enough to stock them in more than just America, it seems silly not to offer them everywhere they can - it's not like we don't have toy stores and book shops in the UK, or France, or New Zealand etc.
As for Escalation, the models are very nice, we'll have to see what the price is like.
There's also the minor point that GW literally advertised the games from the the New York Toy Fair to their already invested customers via the Community site.
It's the equivalent of saying 'Look at these cool models you'll be able to get! ... Psych! Those models are only available in this much larger/more expensive box.'
I'll just have to pick up the Psyker and Trader from eBay.
By only selling them at big box retailers instead of game stores, they send the gamers to those stores. Those stores see enough sales to order the next round of games which they may not have done otherwise. Of course GW could also think that the gamers buy all of their products anyway and won't want these because they already have those miniatures. Either way, just expect the New York Toy Fair previews to be North America and Germany only like the partworks are limited to the UK, Ireland and Spain (I don't think it's available anywhere else yet).
Does anyone know if the German versions are actually in German, or are they just getting the same English boxes as the American release?
Okay, disclaimer first. I don't have any first hand experience and didn't even know this stuff was available outside America.
According to an article Space Marine Adventures is available in German. The new games are supposedly late summer releases and I haven't found anything else on them. But it's safe to assume that they will also be German language versions.
Generally, Germany is too large a market not to get a translation, and those tend to dominate with original language versions simply not making it to general retail. Specialist stores like Fantasywelt tend to have Englosh stock or can at least reliably order it, but toy stores don't do that kind of niche business. In my experience anyway.
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Why is the rum always gone?
Lord Damocles wrote: It's disappointing that Combat Arena is USA and Germany only. They neglected to mention that in the Community article which revealed it.
.
Yes, that was pretty annoying as I'd been waiting for it and there was nothing after the original reveal
So far, all the GW games previewed at the New York Toy Fair for 2018 and 2019 are only available in North America and some distributors in Germany. These products are not really meant for gamers, but are placed in non-gaming stores (e.g., Barnes & Noble) as a means to reach those who may otherwise have no exposure to Games Workshop or miniature wargaming.
That may be who they're designed for, but that doesn't mean nobody else would want them. I'd very much like that "cut down" version of Blood Bowl since it seems like the time investment(both in getting up & running/familiar with the rules, and for any given game) is a lot less than the "proper" system. Unless their production woes mean they literally can't produce enough to stock them in more than just America, it seems silly not to offer them everywhere they can - it's not like we don't have toy stores and book shops in the UK, or France, or New Zealand etc.
As for Escalation, the models are very nice, we'll have to see what the price is like.
There's also the minor point that GW literally advertised the games from the the New York Toy Fair to their already invested customers via the Community site.
It's the equivalent of saying 'Look at these cool models you'll be able to get! ... Psych! Those models are only available in this much larger/more expensive box.'
I'll just have to pick up the Psyker and Trader from eBay.
By only selling them at big box retailers instead of game stores, they send the gamers to those stores. Those stores see enough sales to order the next round of games which they may not have done otherwise. Of course GW could also think that the gamers buy all of their products anyway and won't want these because they already have those miniatures. Either way, just expect the New York Toy Fair previews to be North America and Germany only like the partworks are limited to the UK, Ireland and Spain (I don't think it's available anywhere else yet).
Does anyone know if the German versions are actually in German, or are they just getting the same English boxes as the American release?
Okay, disclaimer first. I don't have any first hand experience and didn't even know this stuff was available outside America.
According to an article Space Marine Adventures is available in German. The new games are supposedly late summer releases and I haven't found anything else on them. But it's safe to assume that they will also be German language versions.
Generally, Germany is too large a market not to get a translation, and those tend to dominate with original language versions simply not making it to general retail. Specialist stores like Fantasywelt tend to have Englosh stock or can at least reliably order it, but toy stores don't do that kind of niche business. In my experience anyway.
Aww, that sucks. Well, not for Germans, obviously I was just hoping it would be a way to order the products without having to pay import fees from the US, which makes it not worth the bother.
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AndrewGPaul wrote: What do you mean "finally"? OK, some scrotey chaos cultists have mislaid theirs, but all the other models I can think of that have been armed with autoguns over the years have proper stocks.
9/10 models from the box had NONE, on a AUTOGUN.
Just NO.
Which box are we talkiing about? The Dark Vengeance cultists? because every other autogun-toting model (with the possibl exception of Forge World's renegades, as I've not looked a them in a while) had a stock; every Necromunda model in the current and previous ranges, for example, that psyker from early 2nd edition, and probably the models from 1st edition. Apart from anything else, a stock is a good choice to fill a void between a model's arms and torso to make it easier to cast in metal.
I can sort of forgive the cultists not having stocks on their scraggy homemade guns. They're basically angry civilians who don't really know what they're doing.
AndrewGPaul wrote: What do you mean "finally"? OK, some scrotey chaos cultists have mislaid theirs, but all the other models I can think of that have been armed with autoguns over the years have proper stocks.
9/10 models from the box had NONE, on a AUTOGUN.
Just NO.
Which box are we talkiing about? The Dark Vengeance cultists? because every other autogun-toting model (with the possibl exception of Forge World's renegades, as I've not looked a them in a while) had a stock; every Necromunda model in the current and previous ranges, for example, that psyker from early 2nd edition, and probably the models from 1st edition. Apart from anything else, a stock is a good choice to fill a void between a model's arms and torso to make it easier to cast in metal.
I can sort of forgive the cultists not having stocks on their scraggy homemade guns. They're basically angry civilians who don't really know what they're doing.
Nope, look at the GSC cultists, there is one ONE autogun in the neophyte set with a Stock. FW renegade rifles were the agripinaa pattern. It annoys me beyond reason though Still : FINALY A BUNCH OF PLASTIG AUTOGUNS WITH STOCKS!
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These Cultists are also good for the God of Pleasure.
I was just hoping it would be a way to order the products without having to pay import fees from the US, which makes it not worth the bother.