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Ogryn = great
commissar = bad, except the head. The head is great. The body looks terrible IMO.

Prices

Traitor Command $60 £37.50 €50
Advance Arsenal $15 £10 €12
Endless Peril $15 £10 €12

US price confirmed the other two based on equivalents on the online store

Edit GBP and Euro price updated

Hard to justify at that price, guess I'll be going to a 3rd party stockist.

This is unfortunately going to be low on my priority list for the time being.

Same as the Ambull expansion then. Not a huge surprise, but I was hopeful, given that so many people complained about the price.

As others have mentioned. £35 for two models? Bit steep. £35 to expand an existing game you enjoy, and two models to help that along the way? Not so much.

I'm OK with it myself, but that's just me.

Nah man. It's steep. The BSF expansions have been, so far, priced beyond what they should be.

Ugh, they could easily snuck in a single explorer dude for both expansion and they would still profit at that price.

New explorer miniature are way more important, and are better selling point than...some random monster that you'll encounter once in a while, or probably only once and done.

Silver Tower understand this and they gave people lots lots of heroes to play as, even thought they're not balanced, but it's co-op game, so who care?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Nah man. It's steep. The BSF expansions have been, so far, priced beyond what they should be.

Indeed. I flogged my game off. Partially because I wasn't enjoying the game as much a I thought after a few play throughs but also because I didn't want to get nickle and dimed by these expensive micro expansions.

 zedmeister wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Nah man. It's steep. The BSF expansions have been, so far, priced beyond what they should be.

Indeed. I flogged my game off. Partially because I wasn't enjoying the game as much a I thought after a few play throughs but also because I didn't want to get nickle and dimed by these expensive micro expansions.

twas at this point that we compare a TG to online games that we probably should reconsider our hobby choices

At this point BSF is just a guise for a staggered R&H release and the game will probably suffer as a result.

Still have yet to play my base game. I'd rather play with painted minis and no one around me is interested in the time commitment to play the game.

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
At this point BSF is just a guise for a staggered R&H release and the game will probably suffer as a result.

Still have yet to play my base game. I'd rather play with painted minis and no one around me is interested in the time commitment to play the game.

If that's true then that would explain the bloody nickle and diming for R&H units.

Which would suck.

The Ambull one was decent quality all round so I'll be adding this one. As Multipart clamshells th Se characters would easily be in the £12-£20 range each. I believe that the expansion also includes 2 new card decks as well to use in the base game .

$60 for a decent ogre and a run of the mill human character with some spikes? I'm borderline insulted by GW's pricing. The ambull was at least unusual and large. These are super-bland. Even finding a discounter, $45 for those would leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Mostly, though, I'm worried at how pricey the big expansion will be.

It's steep and makes me worry how steep the next expansion, containing heroes and heretics, will be.

I'm hoping that GW will.get.the message price wise.and set the prices for the next version of fantasy warhammet quest at prices more reasonable..

Carlovonsexron wrote:
I'm hoping that GW will.get.the message price wise.and set the prices for the next version of fantasy warhammet quest at prices more reasonable..

Either the expansions sell well, and they don't need to change anything, or they don't, and then it's hard for them to know the reason why. They might conclude that people aren't interested in that type of game.

I'm very surprised by the prices, because of what they did with Underworlds. That's a game that has a constant release of cheap mini expansions. A typical Underworlds warband has a lot more plastic that what we've seen in the two Blackstone expansions, for exactly half the price (at least in €). There's a little less rule in a warband, but its's still more than just the plastic. Overall I'd say there's more content (rules + minis) in an Underworlds warband.
So I was initially expecting the same thing for Blackstone Fortress: small expansions with either a small group of guys or one big guy + minions (in that sense the troll + squigs is similar to the Ambull, even if the Ambull is bigger), the rules to play them (similar to the warband's profiles/unique cards) and a couple extra missions/artifacts (similar to the universal cards in Underworlds).

The comparison between the commissar/ogryn kit with an Underworld warband is actually quite shocking. In Underworlds, you wouldn't have just two guys like that. There's a big one and a leader, so not much room for more, but they would still have added something like a couple wardogs, just to flesh out the group a bit more. And it would be half the price…

The prices are just wacky: they're pretty steep for only okay 40k characters, and way too much for the board game crowd.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
$60 for a decent ogre and a run of the mill human character with some spikes? I'm borderline insulted by GW's pricing. The ambull was at least unusual and large. These are super-bland. Even finding a discounter, $45 for those would leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Mostly, though, I'm worried at how pricey the big expansion will be.

The sad thing is, its entirely in line with GW's pricing for heroes. Primaris characters are $35, so the Ogryn alone would be about that price, and other heroes are often $25, which covers the Commissar. Plus you get the board pieces and cards or whatever, so from GW's perspective, I suspect they think of this as bargain priced. (ignoring the cost of plastic, which they seem to do).
So this is just a continuation of their current pricing policy.

Now, I wouldn't buy it, but it shouldn't be a surprise.

I think that it's just a lame choice, not really a surprise. Like I said, the Ambull's unusualness justified it more, but I think that GW's too fixated on their "character" line being somehow more valuable. I think their squads are generally okay prices (a little expensive, but nicely cut), but that just makes their characters look terrible.

For only £1.70 more, you could get a metal Commissar and three Ogryns.

I've said it before, but the Ambull compares so unfavorably with the Necromunda Ambots (2 in the box at a substantially lower price) that even though I initially wanted to be "all-in" on BSF, I was never able to justify the Ambull. This new box continues the trend of being well-overpriced, so I guess I'd like to thank GW for making my collecting decision an easy one to make.

Does anyone have any info on what the Advance Arsenal and Endless Peril things are?

Bad news GBP and Euro prices are out and they are more than the Ambull expansion I used as the conversion in my earlier post.

Traitor Command £37.50 €50 $60

fresus wrote:

I'm very surprised by the prices, because of what they did with Underworlds. That's a game that has a constant release of cheap mini expansions. A typical Underworlds warband has a lot more plastic that what we've seen in the two Blackstone expansions, for exactly half the price (at least in €). There's a little less rule in a warband, but its's still more than just the plastic. Overall I'd say there's more content (rules + minis) in an Underworlds warband.
So I was initially expecting the same thing for Blackstone Fortress: small expansions with either a small group of guys or one big guy + minions (in that sense the troll + squigs is similar to the Ambull, even if the Ambull is bigger), the rules to play them (similar to the warband's profiles/unique cards) and a couple extra missions/artifacts (similar to the universal cards in Underworlds).

It's a difference in the audience they're selling to. Underworlds is priced as a competitive collectible game. It's priced cheaply as a way to peel off players from other games of that type, like Magic. People who like building a concentrated package to play with, whether deck or squad, and have multiple self-contained options to choose from for a fast game against other players.

Blackstone Fortress is aimed at the premium boardgame crowd. The kind who'd be playing Gloomhaven or Mage Knight otherwise. For them, all that extra cardboard is the point, because that's what keeps the game fresh. They have a board set up for a weekly running game and organizers for their millions of tokens. They're usually more settled and have the extra income to shell out.

Expecting either of them to be priced like 40k, which is for another crowd altogether, isn't really useful.

Carlovonsexron wrote:
I'm hoping that GW will.get.the message price wise.and set the prices for the next version of fantasy warhammet quest at prices more reasonable..

Don’t count on it. Anything new for AoS WQ will likely be priced as high as Bsf or higher, as GW assumes their audience will just eat the increases.This just guarantees I’m much more selective about any purchases I make.

£37.50 is a bit steep for that. I won’t be buying it day 1, if at all. Was planning on keeping up with the BSF releases, but that’s too much.

 DaveC wrote:
Bad news GBP and Euro prices are out and they are more than the Ambull expansion I used as the conversion in my earlier post.

Traitor Command £37.50 €50 $60

Dear lord

Carlovonsexron wrote:
I'm hoping that GW will.get.the message price wise.and set the prices for the next version of fantasy warhammet quest at prices more reasonable..

Are we talking about the same company with a trackrecord of fething over their buyers?

Like restricted sprues (cough terminator chainaxes or Reaper chaincannons?)

No if anything the recent news of pricehikes will further the pricing upwards even more.


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 zedmeister wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Bad news GBP and Euro prices are out and they are more than the Ambull expansion I used as the conversion in my earlier post.

Traitor Command £37.50 €50 $60

Dear lord

So i now can approximately pay 65 CHF for 2 models........

Seems about right? for 3 of these boxes i can get a 3d printer

 Formerly Wu wrote:
Blackstone Fortress is aimed at the premium boardgame crowd. The kind who'd be playing Gloomhaven or Mage Knight otherwise. For them, all that extra cardboard is the point, because that's what keeps the game fresh. They have a board set up for a weekly running game and organizers for their millions of tokens. They're usually more settled and have the extra income to shell out.

Speaking as someone who's more in the board game crowd than the 40k crowd at this point in my life, no, it doesn't look appealing to me, nor to the board game forum I'm on. Board gamers generally are on the lookout for cheap plastic crap with lots of content (PVC is sometimes considered fancy). If they're trying to get board game fans, they're going about it the wrong way, as Kingdom Death, which pretty much defines the upper end of prices, with $60 will get you give or take as much plastic and a huge number of cards and rules. GW's games look anemic by comparison. (Not talking about promos, as those are almost universally overpriced regardless of company.)

Wait, it's more than the Ambull expansion? Holy gak...