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**chromedog**

Temuera Morrison's voice was only dubbed for the special edition and post-prints.

they didn't even use the voice of Jeremy Bulloch who wore the suit in ESB (he also plays one of the imperial officers escorting superchilled Han - as well as being in one of the prequels, too).

The voices for quite a few characters were dubbed in post.

**LunarSol**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
chromedog wrote:
Not so much premature aging - it's just that cloning copies the animal from that point in it's life. So if you clone a 20 year old, it's still genetically a 20 year old when it's born, even if physically it's only a newborn.

If you can fix the telomere issue (it's the degradation on those that causes all of the age related replication fails. As you get older, they get shorter and more prone to 'misfires') then it shouldn't be an issue and given that the Kaminoans were supposed "masters" at cloning, they might have had that problem licked.
This is also Star Wars, and I don't think that was even considered when they were inventing the clones.

The premature aging they do talk about is "I want adult soldiers NOW" kind of stuff, where they're altered to mature physically faster so they can be combat ready sooner. It takes them 10 years to reach their 20's and with that kind of pseudo science by 40 they're reaching the end of their natural lives. That's the only thought put into Boba being "unaltered".

**H.B.M.C.**

I know that, but that was't what chromedog was talking about. He was talking about the real life problems with cloning, and how a clone of something that is 20 years old will be biologically 20 years old, even as a newborn, something I doubt ever crossed the minds of those creating the clones in SW.

**LunarSol**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
I know that, but that was't what chromedog was talking about. He was talking about the real life problems with cloning, and how a clone of something that is 20 years old will be biologically 20 years old, even as a newborn, something I doubt ever crossed the minds of those creating the clones in SW.

Right, I was just agreeing with you. The alterations they're talking about aren't based on the science chromedog was talking about.

**Azreal13**

https://theronin.org/2020/09/18/temuera-morrisons-agency-confirms-he-is-playing-boba-fett-in-the-mandalorian-season-2/

**BlaxicanX**

Noice!

**Lance845**

Boo! I wish Boba just stayed dead.

Or if he shows up in the Mandalorian he is every bit the slap stick Mr. Magoo he was in the movies and just gets killed by the Mando.

**AegisGrimm**

I like the idea of Stolen Valor coming up between him and Mando.

**Galef**

AegisGrimm wrote:
I like the idea of Stolen Valor coming up between him and Mando.

Yeah me too. Boba "died" in such a dumb way, so bringing him back with the purpose of being a foil to true Mandalorians is a great way get a bit of fan service done right, ie not just to bring him back, but to use him to drive a good story.

I'll never understand anyone who wanted Boba to stay dead.

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**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

He’s not terribly interesting in the OT to be honest.

I mean, he just tails the Falcon, talks to Vader with minimal respect, and looks cool.

**Voss**

Galef wrote:
AegisGrimm wrote:
I like the idea of Stolen Valor coming up between him and Mando.

Yeah me too. Boba "died" in such a dumb way, so bringing him back with the purpose of being a foil to true Mandalorians is a great way get a bit of fan service done right, ie not just to bring him back, but to use him to drive a good story.

I'll never understand anyone who wanted Boba to stay dead.

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Because he's a throwaway character in a universe of potentially interesting characters.
That the fandom built him into something he's not doesn't actually make him interesting.

Its purely the bad kind of 'member berries ' fan service.

**trexmeyer**

Y'all two are on one.

The mystique surrounding Boba Fett, subsequent speculation, and fandom love for him is why The Mandalorian exists at all. Does anyone doubt that fan reception to Boba Fett and his EU appearances played a major role in Lucas deciding to add Jango (and Boba) to the Prequel Trilogy?

**Voss**

trexmeyer wrote:
Y'all two are on one.

The mystique surrounding Boba Fett, subsequent speculation, and fandom love for him is why The Mandalorian exists at all. Does anyone doubt that fan reception to Boba Fett and his EU appearances played a major role in Lucas deciding to add Jango (and Boba) to the Prequel Trilogy?

No, crappy fanservice is exactly why the Fetts are in the prequels. They serve no point or purpose beyond fanservice - the clones don't need a link to any specific person to perform their function, and it doesn't go anywhere, create any tensions, or resolve any plot hooks.

An interview with the Mandalorian head has him specifically say that his own fanboyism is exactly why he made the show.

Neither of those makes Boba Fett an interesting character. Or uneaten by the Sarlaac.

**Sterling191**

trexmeyer wrote:
Does anyone doubt that fan reception to Boba Fett and his EU appearances played a major role in Lucas deciding to add Jango (and Boba) to the Prequel Trilogy?

Yes, I completely doubt that. Furthermore, Filoni's treatment of Fett, and the subsequent development of the Mandalorians as a culture that extends to an actual civilization and not a memetic "WE WARRIORS, WE SMASH, RAWR" makes for an abundant repudiation of the EU Space Spartans that the Mandalorians were in the Twenty Aughts.

**trexmeyer**

Sterling191 wrote:
trexmeyer wrote:
Does anyone doubt that fan reception to Boba Fett and his EU appearances played a major role in Lucas deciding to add Jango (and Boba) to the Prequel Trilogy?

Yes, I completely doubt that. Furthermore, Filoni's treatment of Fett, and the subsequent development of the Mandalorians as a culture that extends to an actual civilization and not a memetic "WE WARRIORS, WE SMASH, RAWR" makes for an abundant repudiation of the EU Space Spartans that the Mandalorians were in the Twenty Aughts.

You never played KotOR did you?

Why would Fett be in the prequels then?

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Voss wrote:

Neither of those makes Boba Fett an interesting character. Or uneaten by the Sarlaac.

Where did I say anything about what makes Fett interesting? You know what makes Fett interesting and if by some chance you're blind to the reasons why...well Google exists. It's not remotely complicated.

**Voss**

trexmeyer wrote:

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Voss wrote:

Neither of those makes Boba Fett an interesting character. Or uneaten by the Sarlaac.

Where did I say anything about what makes Fett interesting? You know what makes Fett interesting and if by some chance you're blind to the reasons why...well Google exists. It's not remotely complicated.

If you're not trying to argue that he's interesting... I have no idea why you're bothering to argue with me. This show exists to capitalism on the fanboyism, that's obvious, but that's pure marketing.

I don't know what makes Fett interesting. He's Vader and Jabba's UPS guy. That's it- literally all he does in the OT is follow the package (ie, Han) and then ship him from Bespin to Tatooine.

The fandom built him up into some sort of meme icon, but Google won't tell me squat about the why the fanboys think that's justified.

You never played KotOR did you?

Actually, the 'warriors, smash, raagh' is a pretty succinct summary of Mandalorians in KotoR

**trexmeyer**

Moran said Vader's admonition specifically to Fett in The Empire Strikes Back—"No disintegrations"—gives Fett credibility; he was interested in Fett because the character is "strong, silent, [and] brutal".[21] Jeter says that even when Fett appears passive, he conveys "capability and ruthlessness".[24] Bissell credits Bulloch for giving Fett "effortless authority" in his first scene in The Empire Strikes Back, using such nuances as cradling his blaster and slightly cocking his head.[59] Fett's small role in the film may actually have made the character seem more intriguing.[4] Logan, who was a Young Artist Award nominee for his portrayal of Fett, compares Fett to "that boy in school who never talks" and who attracts others' curiosity.[92][93]

Bissell adds that Boba Fett, along with other minor characters like Darth Maul and Kyle Katarn, appeals to adolescent boys' "images of themselves: essentially bad-ass but ... honorable about it."[59] This tension and the absence of a clear "evil nature" (distinct from evil actions) offer Fett dramatic appeal.[59] Furthermore, Fett "is cool because he was designed to be cool", presenting a "wicked ambiguity" akin to John Milton's portrayal of Satan in Paradise Lost and Iago in William Shakespeare's Othello.[59] Bissell compares Fett to Beowulf, Ahab, and Huckleberry Finn: characters "too big" for their original presentation, and apt for continued development in other stories.[59] Moran finds Fett reminiscent of the Man with No Name.[21]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boba_Fett#Reception

The fact you're unwilling to even fake an attempt at seeking information is pathetic.

**Sterling191**

trexmeyer wrote:

You never played KotOR did you?

As a matter of fact I did. It's on effectively every device I own that I game on (excepting my Switch, because its not on that platform to my knowledge). But please continue with trying to trot out that "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

trexmeyer wrote:

Why would Fett be in the prequels then?

Because Lucas didnt have the creative capacity to do anything different. The exact same reason that, say, Yoda was a fascist warmonger in stark contrast to his ESB role.

Voss wrote:

Actually, the 'warriors, smash, raagh' is a pretty succinct summary of Mandalorians in KotoR

Ayup. Canderous gets *very* specific about why they lost. Even moreso when he comes back with the fancy hat in the sequel.

**Voss**

I have no idea who those people are or why I'd care about their opinions on a Wiki page.

'cool because he was designed to be cool' isn't exactly an open and closed case, and the comparison to classic literature characters is absolute rot. Ahab, Beowulf, etc have a lot of characterization in their respective works. They're not just an action figure for a kid to buy or a collector to display.

The teen boy macho illusions might have some justification, but sadly, most crazed Boba fanboys I've had the misfortune to meet have been 30+, and should have grown past that a long time ago. Sometimes an empty shell is just an empty shell. Pretty enough to pluck from the beach and put on a shelf, but no reason to build an elaborate fantasy around it.

**trexmeyer**

Voss wrote:
I have no idea who those people are or why I'd care about their opinions on a Wiki page.

Then why should anyone care about your opinion?

**Voss**

trexmeyer wrote:
Voss wrote:
I have no idea who those people are or why I'd care about their opinions on a Wiki page.

Then why should anyone care about your opinion?

.

Yep, I'm done. I'll try the good faith discussion with someone else.

**trexmeyer**

Sterling191 wrote:
trexmeyer wrote:

You never played KotOR did you?

As a matter of fact I did. It's on effectively every device I own that I game on (excepting my Switch, because its not on that platform to my knowledge). But please continue with trying to trot out that "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

Please explain how asking that question is an example of a "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

**Sterling191**

trexmeyer wrote:

Please explain how asking that question is an example of a "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

Instead of responding with an actual argument when your assertion is challenged, you instead go straight to the dumpster with "you never interacted with source material XYZ" in an attempt to discredit someone who doesnt buy into the Cult of Fett. Because clearly, had I actually played Knights of the Old Republic, I would be a faithful convert.

Which is complete bs.

**trexmeyer**

Sterling191 wrote:
trexmeyer wrote:

Please explain how asking that question is an example of a "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

Instead of responding with an actual argument when your assertion is challenged, you instead go straight to the dumpster with "you never interacted with source material XYZ" in an attempt to discredit someone who doesnt buy into the Cult of Fett. Because clearly, had I actually played Knights of the Old Republic, I would be a faithful convert.

Which is complete bs.

Yeah, no. You're reading way too much out of a simple question and projecting an utterly bizarre anger and hatred towards people who disagree with you over a bloody fictional character. I can't fathom why and I don't particularly care, so have fun with it.

**LunarSol**

Fett's a cool character.

Fett is a massively overrated character.

Both of these are true, IMO.

**Sterling191**

trexmeyer wrote:

Yeah, no. You're reading way too much out of a simple question and projecting an utterly bizarre anger and hatred towards people who disagree with you over a bloody fictional character. I can't fathom why and I don't particularly care, so have fun with it.

Im not the one who came into a thread and started slinging crap at anyone with a negative opinion of a particular character who may or may not have any kind of significant role in S2 of a show.

But please, continue to tell me how I'm the one seething with internet rage, while simultaneously trying to ridicule me for having the audacity to disagree with your holy vision of Boba Fett as your lord and savior.

**LunarSol**

It is also important to recognize the important of physical interaction. It doesn't translate to text conversations at all, but people communicate more via body language than anything else much of the time and physical presence is easy to underestimate. Keanu Reeves gets flack for "whoa" but its his physical acting that wins over fans.

For a sillier example, I remember Left Shark WAY more than whoever they were dancing to the left of.

**trexmeyer**

Sterling191 wrote:
trexmeyer wrote:

Yeah, no. You're reading way too much out of a simple question and projecting an utterly bizarre anger and hatred towards people who disagree with you over a bloody fictional character. I can't fathom why and I don't particularly care, so have fun with it.

Im not the one who came into a thread and started slinging crap at anyone with a negative opinion of a particular character who may or may not have any kind of significant role in S2 of a show.

But please, continue to tell me how I'm the one seething with internet rage, while simultaneously trying to ridicule me for having the audacity to disagree with your holy vision of Boba Fett as your lord and savior.

Please quote me "slinging crap" and where I claimed that Boba Fett was "my lord and savior". My posts are unedited.

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For the record, I'm not emotionally invested in someone else's fictional creation. I disagreed with Voss's assessment of Fett as a 'throwaway character'. That's an absurd claim.

**Sterling191**

trexmeyer wrote:

Please quote me "slinging crap" and where I claimed that Boba Fett was "my lord and savior". My posts are unedited.

It starts literally in your first post on this page, and proceeds to escalate in every response thereafter.

trexmeyer wrote:
Y'all two are on one.

Then following it up with the assertion that

trexmeyer wrote:

The mystique surrounding Boba Fett, subsequent speculation, and fandom love for him is why The Mandalorian exists at all.

And then you proceeding to get more hostile as more folks challenge your infatuation regarding Fett.

trexmeyer wrote:

For the record, I'm not emotionally invested in someone else's fictional creation.

Your actions make this statement at best dubious, and at worst delusional.

**trexmeyer**

How exactly is "Y'all two are on one" slinging crap?

Again, where did I claim Boba Fett is my lord and savior? Is it really such a stretch to see the following:

1) Boba Fett had a large fan following dating back to TESB
2) This led to the creation of many stories around him and the more extensive development of Mandalorians
3) Fans loved Mandalorians more than possibly any faction in Star Wars other than the Jedi/Sith
4) Disney likes money so they gave the fans a show about a Mandalorian

What part of that indicates that I personally consider "Boba Fett" my lord and savior? At no point have I expressed my opinion on the quality of the character.