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epronovost wrote:Well to discuss the crux of the issue: the Darksaber.
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Bo-Katan already accepted the Darksaber from Sabine in Rebels and was accepted by the Mandalorians as their leader. She then lost the planet and it was turned to a lifeless ball of glass. My theory as to why shee insists to take it "from the cold dead hands of her enemies" is that she now believes that her failure to hold Mandalore was that she failed to kill Maul herself and reclaim the sword. Now, she has convinced herself that the only way to restore Mandalore is to "do it right" and win it in combat. If Din was a radical Mandalorian at the start of the show, he turned slowly into a more moderate one. Bo-Katan, of camera, seem to journey in the opposite direction from a fairly moderate Mandalorian to a more radical one.
I was pretty darn surprised that when Gideon shot her that they didn't simply kill her character there and then, thus easily solving the issue if only by killing slightly unceremoniously her character. Note that the fight doesn't need to be to the death for it to be valid it seems. Bo-Katan considers that Din has won it and Gideon is still alive. They could easily solve the issue in a non-lethal way. If death is the only acceptable outcome, then Gideon is also still alive and could simply be forced to fight it off, again with nothing to win in it for him.
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Ah, good call on Gideon not being dead for Bo-Katan to accept it. Either Gideon still needs to die (which could be done after the New Republic get their info from him), or Bo-Katan could just punch Mando in the face, he "yields", and she takes power.
As for Gideon shooting on his way out, I kinda expected him to kill the other Mandalorian, but I'm glad that she wasn't wearing a red shirt!
On the issue of the ending:
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Is it me or was it the last show of the Mandalorian? They are already putting up new stuff and the end credit were not the traditionnal concept art, but just a blank screen with the names of the people. The main plot has also been resolved with Grogu being gone. The loose end like who will become Mandalore could be solved in other shows if at all.
I vaguely remember they did the same for the last season finale?
So, as has so frequently turned out to be the case, Mark Hamill is a lying heap of bantha poodo. "I won't play Luke again, don't like the de-aging thing, I'm finished with the character, Sebastian Stan can take over...."
Absolutely glorious. Well played you magnificent bounder.
I'm off to watch that again.
2020/12/18 19:44:11
Subject: Re:[Star Wars] The Mandalorian (spoilers)
Somewhat disappointed that they used Luke as the Jedi who comes to the rescue. I had hoped they would stay away from all the OG main characters. Now I have to wonder if they'll get Han Solo and Chewbacca in the next season or something. That being said, we did get our "badass Jedi scene" for Luke, so welcome to the family for him (shame about what he becomes in the sequels).
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No mention at all of Grand Admiral Thrawn, so it looks like there was no real connection between him and Moff Gideon. Guess they're saving that angle for Ahsoka's series.
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Any idea if the Boba Fett thing at the end is going to be the story of season 3 of this show, or if Boba is getting his own show?
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2020/12/18 19:54:45
Subject: Re:[Star Wars] The Mandalorian (spoilers)
H.B.M.C. wrote: Someone on a different forum posted this, but it's almost blow-for-blow my thought process during that scene:
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"...One X-wing? Is that...no, couldn't be. There's no way they'd have him appear outside of a main movie, right? They called in that recurring pilot character. Yeah, that's it"
"Okay, it's someone with a lightsaber, but it can't be him. Maybe Ahsoka got an X-wing somehow?"
"Wait, that's a green lightsaber - and he's clearly a human. Can't be Ahsoka. So that means...no, it must be Ezra. Yeah, that's definitely it."
"...HE'S WEARING A BLACK GLOVE ON ONE HAND. DON'T YOU TEASE ME LIKE SHOW. DON'T YOU DARE!"
"DSASFHGTDSGRGJTYUFGND!"
This is pretty much exactly how it went for me, as well, with the addition of watching the elevator lights sequence and thinking 'Don't you dare cut to credits before those doors open...'
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Also, I thought the de-aging was actually damned impressive here. Artoo looked practically new...
Ahem... But no, there were one or two spots where it was slightly uncanny valley, but for the most part it was pretty close to flawless. Although having just watched Tron: Legacy again yesterday, I'm curious as to how good it will still look in a couple of years.
The de-aging of his voice was almost more impressive than the face, though.
Any idea if the Boba Fett thing at the end is going to be the story of season 3 of this show, or if Boba is getting his own show?
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It seems unlikely that they would release season 3 of one Mandalorian show and a spin-off Mandalorian show at the same time, so it does have me wondering of the Book of Boba Fett is series 3, rather than a separate show as they had supposedly originally planned.
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2020/12/18 20:13:59
Subject: Re:[Star Wars] The Mandalorian (spoilers)
I was kinda disappointed with the finale to be honest.
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The Dark Troopers were hyped up and the one-on-one fight with Din was good, but I felt that there should have been more they actually did before they got shredded by Luke. Like at least Bo Katan's sidekick or Fenn Rau could have died. Also not crazy with the whole darksaber "they must fight" angle as others have mentioned, since it seems like it's a conflict they're trying to set up for the next season that kinda seems forced. Moff Gideon himself falls down the same pit of underwhelming Imperial villain. I was hoping he'd be more calculating and separate the team via blast doors or something and funnel them towards a killing field before they get saved by Luke.
I guess I can look forward to Boba being the new Fresh-Prince of Tatooine.
2020/12/18 20:22:48
Subject: Re:[Star Wars] The Mandalorian (spoilers)
Knowing Grogu's ability to cheat death in the prequels already, I wouldn't be surprised if he survived Kylo Ren's rampage in Jedi Purge 2: Electric Bugaloo.
Seeing Luke in his prime legit makes me wish he wasn't handled so poorly in the sequels.
2020/12/18 21:00:32
Subject: Re:[Star Wars] The Mandalorian (spoilers)
Well, Disney doesn't seem to be interested in doing anything with the sequels, which is fine by me. If they want to use the time-travel temple to erase it, that's fine by me.
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Lambda class shuttle? Slave I being cool and shooty? What a great start!
I did notice that the boarding quartet were women, but the difference here vs. the sequels was that it made sense. There were enough blokes in it and they were competent; no "yo momma" jokes, no being tossed around like an incompetent ragdoll, no getting slapped down by Leia or Admiral Purple Hair. If you want strong, female characters - that's how you do it, not posing for a group shot whilst shouting "grrl powa!"
Only time that I've ever paused a TV show (whilst the CCTV shots of Dark Troopers getting chopped up was happening) in order to run upstairs to my wife to proclaim that "The Mandalorian is the greatest effing TV show of all time - of all time!
Oh, yeah. I'm not crying - you're crying...
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Just saw the finale; the only part that irked me was 'my gun jammed', FROM what?? its a laser blaster. where is the guy mandalorion with Bo katan?
One part I thought they could of add in the dialogue between Bo katan and Fett, when she said I know your voice, you're a clone, "I'm the original" Fett.
Big Mac wrote: Just saw the finale; the only part that irked me was 'my gun jammed', FROM what??
From older material, blasters work off the accelerated gas version of laser generation, and have moving parts.
One part I thought they could of add in the dialogue between Bo katan and Fett, when she said I know your voice, you're a clone, "I'm the original" Fett.
He's not, though. Jango was the original. Boba is a clone.
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Chillreaper wrote: Well, Disney doesn't seem to be interested in doing anything with the sequels, which is fine by me. If they want to use the time-travel temple to erase it, that's fine by me.
Are we forgetting the pickled proto-Snokes from a few episodes ago? If anything I'd say we had too much FOshadowing given that remnant forces like Gideons that aren't making their way for unknown space aren't supposed to be in the know.
Big Mac wrote: Just saw the finale; the only part that irked me was 'my gun jammed', FROM what?? its a laser blaster. where is the guy mandalorion with Bo katan?
The GM had her add a red die due to running and gunning with a heavy weapon and she rolled a despair - needs an action to clear the jam, which probably got upgraded to a difficult action because she decided to club some troopers with it.
Big Mac wrote: One part I thought they could of add in the dialogue between Bo katan and Fett, when she said I know your voice, you're a clone, "I'm the original" Fett.
I also enjoyed the Imperial Pilot’s speech, about their being millions on the Deathstars. Adds an extra layer to the mythos, I find.
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In some version of the Expanded Universe the Imperial version of that story is that the Death Star was one of a series of mining stations and that rebels hijacked and turned on Alderaan - and the Emperor came to the second one to stop them from doing it again.
I think that's from the X-Wing series?
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Thank the maker so much for clear, non-blurry “WTF is going on” action sequences.
All the fights were beautifully choreographed, made sense, and were excellently shot.
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Particularly two elements.
1. Dark Troopers being powerful, but slow. As if they are indeed prototypes. Works in progress where they’ve cracked the skill and strength level they wanted, but still need to work on fluidity of movement.
2. Din’s scrap with Gideon, particularly the sabre heating up the Beskar, and the Beskar rapidly cooling. It’s such a wonderful little touch. It equally shows why Beskar is so good, whilst also showing it’s not invincible. Highly heat resistant, but not heat proof. I think I appreciate it all the more because they really didn’t need that level of attention, but did it anyway.
2a. Luke’s cutting through the Dark Troopers. Not just his Corridor fight, but shades of Vader and Ren’s fighting style.
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Big Mac wrote:Just saw the finale; the only part that irked me was 'my gun jammed', FROM what?? its a laser blaster. where is the guy mandalorion with Bo katan?
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Probably died off screen in the time between Bo-Katan meeting Din and their second encounter. When I saw it was only those two, that was my assumption, at least. He could be off running another covert mission himself, or yeah, maybe dead.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Genuinely genuine praise?
Thank the maker so much for clear, non-blurry “WTF is going on” action sequences.
All the fights were beautifully choreographed, made sense, and were excellently shot.
Very much agreed. And as much as I'd have loved to see more
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I liked the Din v Dark Trooper scrap. It makes it very clear that Din was out of his depth, even the normally deadly whistling birds weren't having an effect, and so we can infer just how utterly fethed the rest of the group would have been.
I might have maybe liked for a trio of Dark Troopers to have gotten into the main bridge, and be taken down (with extreme effort), only to close the doors and THEN we see the full platoon, but I see how that could either just be too long, and if a character didn't die, the audience might still feel cheated.
I’d actually say ease of following the action has always been Star Wars’ strong suit - even during Daft Fights in the prequels.
Sure, the blades were slung around at unlikely speeds - but the actual fights never left the audience wondering who was who, nor what was actually going on.
Compare to my favourite whipping boy example of getting it dead wrong, Bayformers. Too much, too blurred, too fast, too close. Yes it’s arguably a more realistic punch up, but it’s just not as satisfying for the audience.
I liked the Din v Dark Trooper scrap. It makes it very clear that Din was out of his depth, even the normally deadly whistling birds weren't having an effect, and so we can infer just how utterly fethed the rest of the group would have been.
I might have maybe liked for a trio of Dark Troopers to have gotten into the main bridge, and be taken down (with extreme effort), only to close the doors and THEN we see the full platoon, but I see how that could either just be too long, and if a character didn't die, the audience might still feel cheated.
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Yeah, I mostly agree. But, showing their relentless nature as they just pummelled down a blast door really built anticipation all the same. And Luke cutting through them was a thing of absolute beauty.
I also appreciated the rest of Din’s party being very wary of letting Luke into the bridge. I mean, he turned up unannounced, ignored their hail, cut through the Dark Troopers with nearly contemptuous ease, and still had his saber ignited.
My favourite bit was when he crushed the last one. We’ve seen Force Crush used before - but we’ve never seen it with such dramatic effect. Mind you, you can do more to a Droid on screen than you can a living being in terms of rating!
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The de-aging of his voice was almost more impressive than the face, though.
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Did they, though? Mark's a very versatile voice actor. I don't think "speak like you did 40 years ago" would necessarily be beyond him. Difficult, certainly, but I wouldn't be surprised if he managed it.
2020/12/19 01:51:41
Subject: Re:[Star Wars] The Mandalorian (spoilers)
Did they, though? Mark's a very versatile voice actor. I don't think "speak like you did 40 years ago" would necessarily be beyond him. Difficult, certainly, but I wouldn't be surprised if he managed it.
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Yeah, I think people forget this is the same guy who voices the Joker, and one of the best ones at that. I can believe he can pull off his younger voice given that it's not like he has that many lines in this episode.
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2020/12/19 01:54:42
Subject: Re:[Star Wars] The Mandalorian (spoilers)
I did notice that the boarding quartet were women, but the difference here vs. the sequels was that it made sense. There were enough blokes in it and they were competent; no "yo momma" jokes, no being tossed around like an incompetent ragdoll, no getting slapped down by Leia or Admiral Purple Hair. If you want strong, female characters - that's how you do it, not posing for a group shot whilst shouting "grrl powa!"
Yup, it worked so well precisely because they didn't draw attention to it. That just happened to be the group that was there, and they did the thing.
Easily fixed by porting those trash movies into Legends where they belong and letting Filoni and Favreau tell the real tale, incorporating the best parts of the EU going forward.
2020/12/19 02:51:53
Subject: Re:[Star Wars] The Mandalorian (spoilers)
Easily fixed by porting those trash movies into Legends where they belong and letting Filoni and Favreau tell the real tale, incorporating the best parts of the EU going forward.
Holy gak that’s actually an option isn’t it? They could do that...and honestly I think they should.
Big Mac wrote: Just saw the finale; the only part that irked me was 'my gun jammed', FROM what??
From older material, blasters work off the accelerated gas version of laser generation, and have moving parts.
One part I thought they could of add in the dialogue between Bo katan and Fett, when she said I know your voice, you're a clone, "I'm the original" Fett.
He's not, though. Jango was the original. Boba is a clone.
I know Jango was the original where the clones are from, but I thought Boba was the son(biologically) of Jango; I'm not a huge SW fan who read all the books and play all the games, only watched some of the movies.
Easily fixed by porting those trash movies into Legends where they belong and letting Filoni and Favreau tell the real tale, incorporating the best parts of the EU going forward.
Holy gak that’s actually an option isn’t it? They could do that...and honestly I think they should.
Given how much reboots are a thing in Hollywood and Disney rereleasing movies they already made in a different live-action format, I would be surprised if they didn't try to do another run at a trilogy for SW for people who weren't satisfied with the sequel trilogy.
There's no need for it, though. They have thousands of years of timeline they can explore instead, and make something new rather than rehashing the sequel trilogy in the hope of coming up with something that pleases enough of the people who disliked the first lot to counteract alienating those who did.
The most likely course is that they just ignore the sequel era for a while to let everything die down, and once the vocal critics have moved on to complaining about something else, will consider exploring other stories in that setting. But it's certainly not critical that they spend much time right now in that part of the timeline... They've got a strong focus on the period immediately post-RotJ right now, which is working for them, and if High Republic proves popular that will give them all sorts of new possibilities.
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