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Toofast wrote:
Show is boring, some of the scenes are so ridiculous that it totally breaks immersion (Leia running away from grown men as they obviously shuffle and waddle behind her, intentionally moving as slow as possible), a little bit of fire totally stopping vader and a bunch of stormtroopers in their tracks, I can't even name all the eye-rolling moments and we're 3 episodes in. I just know they vastly outnumber the moments where I think "that scene was cool, I'm really enjoying this show".

Yeah, this. The chase in particular is all kinds of god awful. It's astounding to me that people can take these antagonists seriously when we see them do... y'know, that.

There are snippets here and there where you can tell that some of the people involved know their stuff and care to make a good show, but it's all dragged down by horrible decisions within the main script. It might be that the series format is too big of a constraint on the writers or that there are specific demands for the arc and timed emotional triggers in these kinds of tv show, but the end product is a let-down in many regards.

I liked some of the Vader parts of the new ep and that was it. The laser gate scene was very silly, once Obi-Wan shoots it, you assume he's going to drive the truck behind him through it but he just walks on foot, which makes no sense given the very clear gaps on the sides that he could just use to walk around it. It's scenes like these that really make you scratch your head and wonder how it got past the storyboarding stage.


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 creeping-deth87 wrote:

Toofast wrote:
Show is boring, some of the scenes are so ridiculous that it totally breaks immersion (Leia running away from grown men as they obviously shuffle and waddle behind her, intentionally moving as slow as possible), a little bit of fire totally stopping vader and a bunch of stormtroopers in their tracks, I can't even name all the eye-rolling moments and we're 3 episodes in. I just know they vastly outnumber the moments where I think "that scene was cool, I'm really enjoying this show".

Yeah, this. The chase in particular is all kinds of god awful. It's astounding to me that people can take these antagonists seriously when we see them do... y'know, that.

I think the worst part is that they repeat these terrible chase scenes enough that it kind of feels like just a collection of crappy chase scenes with terrible exposition in between to tie it all together, like some off-brand Star Wars Scooby Doo parody.

Just watched the first three episodes. The only wtf moment so far was Leia being chased in the woods, how did she outrun three adults that long?
Some cool visuals and an interesting plot so so. Lots of Easter eggs for the fans.
3rd sister grates a bit, hoping she dies horribly by the end of the series which means she’s a pretty good antagonist.

 Tamereth wrote:
Just watched the first three episodes. The only wtf moment so far was Leia being chased in the woods, how did she outrun three adults that long?

I mean, on a straight run it might have been a problem, but through the woods? Kids are often pretty quick (and slippery), and she makes use of obstacles that she can go through but they have to go around. She's clearly an active kid, and she's the force sensitive daughter of the only human to ever win a pod race.

To be fair, the way it was shot does make it look rather slow-moving, but then I've often thought the same thing with car races... But speaking as someone who spends a reasonable amount of time chasing small children around*, the scenario itself really isn't that outlandish.


*my own - there's no need to call anybody...

I agree that the Leia kidnap foot chase wasn't one for the ages.

But, aside from some of the other good points raised, are people expecting an honest to goodness real life child (and a pretty tiny one at that) to be doing parkour all over the set or what? I mean, people defend Jake Lloyd for an entire movies worth of worse offences and we can't let the poor girl off for that?

To be honest, when it comes to child actors?

I’d rather have a competent actor/actress who’s a bit crap at running, than a good runner that’s a bit crap at acting.

Young Leia’s actress is impressing me with her acting chops. To channel not just Leia, but Padmé as well is a pretty impressive bit of work.

Imagine if Jake Lloyd had that level of Direction in The Phantom Menace? If we had a charismatic Young Anakin (at the same age, I think? Certainly in-universe)

 Tamereth wrote:
Just watched the first three episodes. The only wtf moment so far was Leia being chased in the woods, how did she outrun three adults that long?
Some cool visuals and an interesting plot so so. Lots of Easter eggs for the fans.
3rd sister grates a bit, hoping she dies horribly by the end of the series which means she’s a pretty good antagonist.

You don't think it was a wtf moment when Obi wasted time trying to shut down the laser gate road block thing so that they could... continue on foot? Instead of just.... walking around the post he was standing next to?

I can absolutely see a person brain farting and shutting down the gate instead of going around it. Like, you’re Supposed to go thru there so of course he tries to shut it down. But if you asked him why not just go around he’d stop and stare at you for a moment and then curse at himself.

No, the wtf moment has to be the magic tunnel. Some ways down the one gal turns to go back and help Obi and apparently slips out past all the bad guys there in town. Then the Sister finds it, and somehow beats Leia to the other end.

 AduroT wrote:
I can absolutely see a person brain farting and shutting down the gate instead of going around it. Like, you’re Supposed to go thru there so of course he tries to shut it down. But if you asked him why not just go around he’d stop and stare at you for a moment and then curse at himself.

No, the wtf moment has to be the magic tunnel. Some ways down the one gal turns to go back and help Obi and apparently slips out past all the bad guys there in town. Then the Sister finds it, and somehow beats Leia to the other end.

I'd get it if the gate was at least tall or imposing in some way, but it's such at a comical height that it stands out like a sore thumb with how poorly placed it is. It's on par with the needless parkour that Reva goes through on the roof.

Agreed with the magic tunnel though, that's just really poor editing that makes it unclear wtf is happening.

 Azreal13 wrote:
I agree that the Leia kidnap foot chase wasn't one for the ages.

But, aside from some of the other good points raised, are people expecting an honest to goodness real life child (and a pretty tiny one at that) to be doing parkour all over the set or what? I mean, people defend Jake Lloyd for an entire movies worth of worse offences and we can't let the poor girl off for that?

She could have tried spinning. That’s a good trick.

I'm not hopeful, but it would be good if the writers had Vader realise Reva was lying about the Grand Inquisitor. He's faced Obi-Wan now and realises he's a bit old and useless. If he didn't already know she was lying he sure as hell should now.

There have been a few too many WTF moments, mostly in episode 3. Overall I'm enjoying the show despite its flaws. Is this only a 6-episode season? I think I remember seeing that somewhere. If so, the pacing of the last 3 is going to need to be pretty high to wrap things up.

 Azreal13 wrote:
I mean, people defend Jake Lloyd for an entire movies worth of worse offences...

People actually do that?

 Grimskul wrote:
I'd get it if the gate was at least tall or imposing in some way, but it's such at a comical height that it stands out like a sore thumb with how poorly placed it is.

What's a tall or imposing gate going to achieve? It's a checkpoint on a road through a fairly flat landscape. If someone doesn't want to get checked, they go cross country and just go around it at a safe distance.

Slipspace wrote:
Is this only a 6-episode season?

To my knowledge, yes.

 Geifer wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
I mean, people defend Jake Lloyd for an entire movies worth of worse offences...

People actually do that?

 Grimskul wrote:
I'd get it if the gate was at least tall or imposing in some way, but it's such at a comical height that it stands out like a sore thumb with how poorly placed it is.

What's a tall or imposing gate going to achieve? It's a checkpoint on a road through a fairly flat landscape. If someone doesn't want to get checked, they go cross country and just go around it at a safe distance.

Slipspace wrote:
Is this only a 6-episode season?

To my knowledge, yes.

Presumably they’ve some way of monitoring people Going Around, which in itself is going to be suspicious.

Of course the Imperials do. If you go around on foot, you're slow and at risk of being spotted by patrols for longer. If you're motorized you kick up dust and become visible from a great distance. Either way, the checkpoint does its job. Which is what I'm saying. The checkpoint doesn't have to look particularly impressive. It just needs to be there and able to report to its base. A bigger gate isn't going to do anything of value.

 creeping-deth87 wrote:

Toofast wrote:
Show is boring, some of the scenes are so ridiculous that it totally breaks immersion (Leia running away from grown men as they obviously shuffle and waddle behind her, intentionally moving as slow as possible), a little bit of fire totally stopping vader and a bunch of stormtroopers in their tracks, I can't even name all the eye-rolling moments and we're 3 episodes in. I just know they vastly outnumber the moments where I think "that scene was cool, I'm really enjoying this show".

Yeah, this. The chase in particular is all kinds of god awful. It's astounding to me that people can take these antagonists seriously when we see them do... y'know, that.

While I am somewhat enjoying the show, it is insanely cringe-worthy with the horrible plots and direction. It is suffering from the same issues that plagued Boba Fett - does Disney not have enough money to hire writers older than 8 years old? That is about the intelligence level of the stories, plots, interactions, etc. I could point out so many ludicrous plot points that just the first three episodes make my head spin, especially in episodes 2 and 3.

I think the directors are to blame as much as the writers, as clearly some of the idiotic sequences as written could have possibly been saved by better direction (Hey, Riva - let's kidnap the princess to lure Obi-Wan and not even be present and just know your inept lackeys will be able to contain a Jedi; and let's escape the locked down planet on these 'automated' cargo vessels that no one will think of to check, and by the way, they are so huge and have so much extra room inside and so easy to sneak inside to hitch a ride, and they are conveniently pressurized with oxygen and lands in the middle of no where to unload 12 small crates...)

Yeah, I will probably stick it out, as I bailed on BoBF due to its childish boring plot, stupidly amateurish writing/dialogue, etc. They need to stop making Obi-Wan such a powerless meathead and let him display some strength, cuz I am really struggling to like his character, but I am sure that is the point to make him so weak and he will slowly start to gain in confidence and power, but you may not have enough of your audience left by the time that happens.

 Geifer wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
I mean, people defend Jake Lloyd for an entire movies worth of worse offences...

People actually do that?

Maybe he thinks people saying "people shouldn't have sent him hate mail to the point he developed mental illness" is defending his acting

Plenty of people, IME, have pointed to the script and direction as reasons he never really had a chance. I have my reservations, I think his was a flawed choice from the beginning, but I guess even that could ultimately be laid at Lucas' feet.

But ultimately, yes, people should equally have cut him some slack for being an actual human child and not sent him hatemail in the same way as I'm saying that the actress playing Leia not parkouring her way around the forest and the adults doing their best with what they had to work with is understandable and not really something to unduly criticise.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Plenty of people, IME, have pointed to the script and direction as reasons he never really had a chance. I have my reservations, I think his was a flawed choice from the beginning, but I guess even that could ultimately be laid at Lucas' feet.

It was made quite clear in the behind the scenes material from TPM that Lucas chose him over more experienced child actors because he fit the look Lucas wanted the best. That could still have been compensated for with the right direction, but given the performances in the prequels from even seasoned actors, the poor kid was indeed doomed from the start. And, really, did a pretty phenomenal job given the circumstances.

But ultimately, yes, people should equally have cut him some slack for being an actual human child and not sent him hatemail in the same way as I'm saying that the actress playing Leia not parkouring her way around the forest and the adults doing their best with what they had to work with is understandable and not really something to unduly criticise.

And yes, this. Ultimately, I think people are still being let down by expecting Star Wars to be one specific thing that it's never actually really been. Even ESB, for all that it sits on a pedestal, has its share of cringe moments and plot holes.

Kenobi isn't perfect, but it's fun. And that's all I expect from Star Wars, so I'm rarely disappointed.

 insaniak wrote:

Ultimately, I think people are still being let down by expecting Star Wars to be one specific thing that it's never actually really been.

I think it goes further than that, I think there's different subsets of fans all expecting it to be something different, so the overwhelming majority of new content gets hammered by whatever tribe didn't get it's own way.

I mean, that's probably me, but Favreau and Filoni are clearly my tribe, so all's good in my little corner of Star Wars for the foreseeable.

 insaniak wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Plenty of people, IME, have pointed to the script and direction as reasons he never really had a chance. I have my reservations, I think his was a flawed choice from the beginning, but I guess even that could ultimately be laid at Lucas' feet.

It was made quite clear in the behind the scenes material from TPM that Lucas chose him over more experienced child actors because he fit the look Lucas wanted the best. That could still have been compensated for with the right direction, but given the performances in the prequels from even seasoned actors, the poor kid was indeed doomed from the start. And, really, did a pretty phenomenal job given the circumstances.

But ultimately, yes, people should equally have cut him some slack for being an actual human child and not sent him hatemail in the same way as I'm saying that the actress playing Leia not parkouring her way around the forest and the adults doing their best with what they had to work with is understandable and not really something to unduly criticise.

And yes, this. Ultimately, I think people are still being let down by expecting Star Wars to be one specific thing that it's never actually really been. Even ESB, for all that it sits on a pedestal, has its share of cringe moments and plot holes.

Kenobi isn't perfect, but it's fun. And that's all I expect from Star Wars, so I'm rarely disappointed.

I agree. SW is caught in a bit of a trap... hard core fans over think and over analyze the new content, and then dismiss it as "Crap" in an attempt to prove how good a fan they are.

Meanwhile with the old material you point out holes etc in the material and they respond with "well of course but the explination is..." without realizing the explination is something created 20 yars after the fact by the EU

Kenobi Part 4.

I generally just go with the flow but that was just a badly written episode all around parts of it were laughable (and not in a good way)

Empire proving its evil cred by having torture tables with ready to go child sized restraints.

I don’t mind the instant drying thing. Sure it’s not realistic but it’s pretty standard for more tv faire stuff. Child coat was the main dumb thing for me though. That and when the guards are walking down the hallway and Kenobi blatantly jumps behind the pillar in full view of them.

 AduroT wrote:
That and when the guards are walking down the hallway and Kenobi blatantly jumps behind the pillar in full view of them.

I dunno... I hear that you can't see a thing in those helmets...

 insaniak wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
That and when the guards are walking down the hallway and Kenobi blatantly jumps behind the pillar in full view of them.

I dunno... I hear that you can't see a thing in those helmets...

Well they aren’t any protection from a slap to the head.

I'm not sure if it's a problem with general "new thing" fatigue but I really struggled with this episode.

Honestly?

I’m expecting this to all be a Force Vision.

No. Really. Not the whole of the thing, but everything from Bail arriving on Tattooine to persuade Kenobi.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Honestly?

I’m expecting this to all be a Force Vision.

No. Really. Not the whole of the thing, but everything from Bail arriving on Tattooine to persuade Kenobi.

I mean, if you have to resort to going "It was all a dream" cliche, for even a Star Wars show, how bad does it have to be?

Disney needs to get their crap together when it comes to writing a coherent SW story that does a better job handling people's suspension of disbelief.

 DaveC wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
That and when the guards are walking down the hallway and Kenobi blatantly jumps behind the pillar in full view of them.

I dunno... I hear that you can't see a thing in those helmets...

Well they aren’t any protection from a slap to the head.

They really help your hearing though apparently.