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Yup.

Ok, got it watched! Gotta say the “captured” really is just plain old captured. I assumed they were going to have come up with that plan and arranged for her to be found ahead of time, but no, discovered and cornered, turning yourself in doesn’t count as being on your terms. Tracking device immediately found, and backup tracking plan failed. This is full on captured. Also, man, she should have just carried two trackers. Scan her, she’s got a tracker, hands it over, alright let’s go, never checked to see if she still had one. I assume doctor regrets clone will be the one to save her this time and get a message out.

I don’t think any of them are getting out. At all.

Think about it. Project Necromancer continues into Mando Season 3. And presumably ties into Rise of Skywalker when Palpatine proves rumours of his demise had been greatly exaggerated.

Also? £10 says that super trooper on their case is Tech. Who isn’t dead, has been brainwashed and upgraded into something like the first Darktrooper.

Nah, no way it’s Tech. Just another random brainwashed clone. I highly doubt they off them, but yeah, somehow Project Necromancer survives.

I'll stick with "captured". Last thing we see of Omega, she sits back and meditates. I suspect that she's going to be a Force beacon Asajj can pick up to find her. And since Asajj is the closest tie Hunter has to the clone base and abducted M-count subjects, it stands to reason he'd go to her first to save Omega. I don't doubt that once back at base, Emerie is going to help Omega, but I don't think she's the one to contact the Batch.

As for none of them making out, come on Doc. Omega is a kid. You can't just kill a kid. *looks nervously at Anakin*

I could see the Bad Batch die getting the other clones out and blowing up the base. My guess is that they're successful but somehow a copy of the research is saved by a clone or droid or just buried but recoverable. The project is on hold for a while due to the lack of skilled scientists and research subjects, and is later picked up by Gideon.

 AduroT wrote:
Ok, got it watched! Gotta say the “captured” really is just plain old captured. I assumed they were going to have come up with that plan and arranged for her to be found ahead of time, but no, discovered and cornered, turning yourself in doesn’t count as being on your terms. Tracking device immediately found, and backup tracking plan failed. This is full on captured. Also, man, she should have just carried two trackers. Scan her, she’s got a tracker, hands it over, alright let’s go, never checked to see if she still had one. I assume doctor regrets clone will be the one to save her this time and get a message out.

It's quite literally the same thing that's already happened twice already.

Anyone else think Omega is Rey's genetic mother? Like... Not that she is going to actually give birth to Rey (i don't think the timeline quite works for that but it could). But more that they use genetic samples from her to produce a child that is actually force sensitive and not strictly a clone.

They keep star wars streeting and i think this is about as starwars street as you can get.

 Lance845 wrote:
Anyone else think Omega is Rey's genetic mother? Like... Not that she is going to actually give birth to Rey (i don't think the timeline quite works for that but it could). But more that they use genetic samples from her to produce a child that is actually force sensitive and not strictly a clone.

They keep star wars streeting and i think this is about as starwars street as you can get.

Rey's father is the Palpatine clone though you could argue that makes Omega Rey's aunt?.

 LunarSol wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Anyone else think Omega is Rey's genetic mother? Like... Not that she is going to actually give birth to Rey (i don't think the timeline quite works for that but it could). But more that they use genetic samples from her to produce a child that is actually force sensitive and not strictly a clone.

They keep star wars streeting and i think this is about as starwars street as you can get.

Rey's father is the Palpatine clone though you could argue that makes Omega Rey's aunt?.

As though Palpatine wouldn't attempt to "breed" a male and female clone of himself to create a super force sensitive body for his conciousness.

Bad Batch Finale

Meeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Whereas I'm pleased with it.

Still a fat old meh.

I honestly can’t say I feel invested in any of the characters in the show.

All it achieved for me was bringing back Ventriss. Who let’s face it is back for a reason, and I look forward to finding out what that reason is.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Still a fat old meh.

I honestly can’t say I feel invested in any of the characters in the show.

All it achieved for me was bringing back Ventriss. Who let’s face it is back for a reason, and I look forward to finding out what that reason is.

The Bad Batch at the start: We have an intriguing premise, but in all honesty not one iota of an idea where to go with it please buy Disney+ suckers this drivel doesn't sell itself it needs your blind faith to even pretend it can fly!

The Bad Batch at the end: We never found any way to go with it thanks for buying Disney+ suckers we have private jets now.

In a less mean spirited sense, I can only say that as a show that started as a spinoff no one really asked for, the show spun a lot of wheel, retreaded a lot of its own uninteresting ground, and I guess the ending is about as good as any ending for this space filling show could have really been. It was never truly bad, but it definitely wasn't good. 5 mehs out of meh.

In the future, a study of the show could be a great example of how a lot of streaming content is just there to fill time, and openly question if it could have ever survived in a competitive environment that wasn't a closed box people had already paid for.

I quite enjoyed the finale. Season one was good. Season two spent way too much time meandering around with random filler. Season three got back on track since they knew they didn’t have meandering time anymore and was good again.

I quite enjoyed it. Not least because they managed to surprise me on two fronts -

I have to say, I really enjoyed this one. Not been the biggest fan of the series. The backdoor pilot was clunky, the series felt pretty forced, but season 1 had some interesting stories about the decommissioning of the clones. Season 2 was almost a total waste outside of a couple key Crosshair episodes and season 3 has been significantly better focused but pretty safe. I've enjoyed it as a weekly dose of fun Star Wars content, but not something I'd binge.

The finale though really worked for me. The stakes were high without being world ending, the enemies fairly competent and the plot armor low. They really did a great job showing how every character has grown through the series and the final standoff was really well paced and executed. A nice, bittersweet send off for the cast that left me more fond of the series and its characters in hindsight than I ever actually was in the moment. Really strong conclusion to a series I was pretty lukewarm on otherwise.

 insaniak wrote:
I quite enjoyed it. Not least because they managed to surprise me on two fronts -

Spoiler:

For one, after all of the hints and build up, making Omega into just a catalyst for making force sensitive clones was ultimately much more interesting than having her become Ventris' apprentice.

...and for two, right up until the end of the finale fight, I was still waiting for one of the evil commando clones to take off his helmet and reveal a resurrected and brainwashed Tech. Always a nice surprise for a dead character to stay dead, particularly when their death is such an important part of the other characters' growth.


Of course, this being Star Wars, that doesn't mean they won't still bring him back later, but here's hoping they won't.

I had heard that theory and I was Really hoping it wouldn’t come to pass and I am glad it did not.

Indeed...

 LunarSol wrote:

Spoiler:

This is 100% what I thought was going to happen when the clone that chops off Crosshair's hand loses his helmet mid battle. He even has Tech's red goggle helmet style. Part of me wonders if that had been the plan but got scrapped at some point. I went back and you can see his head in a few scenes but its foggy and I'm pretty sure its just a standard clone face. Wrecker ends up putting his head through a server or something as the last we see him.

That is also something I was absolutely expecting.

Tales of The Empire was….weird. And not good weird, necessarily.

It certainly exists for sure.

I liked Tales of the Jedi because the short episodes added something interesting about characters who already had a significant presence.

Tales of the Empire uses the same approach on characters that don't have that, and it didn't work for me. Especially in Morgan's case. In Mando and Ahsoka she's pretty much a stepping stone to Thrawn, and a speed bump after he shows up. She's too much of a willing tool to others to be interesting in her own right. Tales of the Empire largely just emphasizes what we know from the live action shows. I think it could have added substance to the character if it for instance explored how missing her chance at revenge on Grievous actually turned into revenge on her sweeping, ill defined idea of who her enemies are. Instead the show only dwells on how she gets worse over time, which we didn't need because Yoda already told us how it works forty years ago.

I'm willing to cut Barriss's half a little more slack. Her episodes reinforce a reading of her actions in Clone Wars that were previously left open to interpretation, so at least we have confirmation that she didn't fall to the dark side so much as tried to hold to a personal interpretation of Jedi ideals throughout. Which at least suggests strength of character. That's something.

Largely agree. I enjoyed Morgan's context. These bits weave nicely between Rebels, Mando and Ahsoka while not feeling nearly as Star Wars street as that would imply. Linking her back to the Defender program is a pretty organic explanation to Thrawn that made her less one dimensional. I liked it, even if it wasn't particularly necessary or noteworthy.

The Barriss half I almost found more interesting just to give 4th Sister some real screen time. This one felt a lot more purposeful, even if I was a bit disappointed it was overall a lit by the numbers.

Seems convoluted to me that Bariss no longer counts as a Jedi, but Ahsoka did. W/E.

The Bariss section was interesting, if a bit janky because of how pressed for time it was.

Bariss did commit treason and blow up a hanger, which is what Ashoka was accused and then acquitted of.

I was really prepared to like this series, the fall of Dooku bits from the previous was fantastic and was expecting this to be the same. Was pretty disappointed all in all though.

I kind of like that Barriss’ view, if not actions, were vindicated. The Jedi had become corrupt.

We also get some nice character development, where she abandoned the Order, not the Ideals. And there’s a pretty strong argument her role as “Wise Old Healer That Lives In Isolation” is pretty Jedi.

Elspeth’s tales were, taking on board the above comments, pretty good. About as smooth an “ahhh, but she was always there!” retcon as we could hope for, where she suffered the slings and arrows of well known eras, but didn’t play an especially important role in them.

 LordofHats wrote:
Seems convoluted to me that Bariss no longer counts as a Jedi, but Ahsoka did. W/E.

It is weird but then Rex also got specific orders to kill both Ahsoka and Maul from Palpatine himself.

Let's not forget that at that point the Empire was looking for willing and suitable candidates to join the Inquisitorius. Barriss was already in custody and her disloyalty to the Jedi order had been established. Order 66 would have no impact unless the prison guards were specifically commanded to murder her, and there's no reason to do that.