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 Blndmage wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
I get that people want the army to be thematic. You have to get real though - you can't actually beat an army that you can't kill.

Sure you can. Play the mission. Go for objectives, don't waste time trying to grind them down. Most RP units are slow, use it against them. It's not always about tabling your opponent, you can win a game while still losing most of your army, if you do it right. That's the strategy.

Honestly that just makes me think of control decks from magic the gathering and how not fun it is to play against them.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

Bharring wrote:
I feel like a 20-man Warrior blob spending CP when the last model is removed to roll WBB for the unit - and probably get 6-7 guys back - would be rather fair. As long as it's at 'would be remove as a casualty' and not 'at the end of turn' or whatever.

With a ghoast arc and a cryptec they'd get 15 back.

Which is almost an additional 200 points. And it isn't hard to kill the last 5 Warriors. Now nothing matters!

Also the fact you think RP gets stronger as the game size increases shows a huge disconnect from reality. You still also have yet to accept my invitation to post in the Necron Tactica. Wonder why that is?

First of all HQ's that are going to be in the army anyways aren't really a factor here. Necron armies have cryptecs...it's just the way it is.

Second - the ghost arch - like all transports costs too much. This is the kind of stuff I'd like to see change for crons. Cheaper ghost arcs - cheapers warriors. Not undeniable RP.


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 Marmatag wrote:
I have seen many of the points changes and marines will be happy.

Don't set me up for disappointment man!

 Xenomancers wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

Bharring wrote:
I feel like a 20-man Warrior blob spending CP when the last model is removed to roll WBB for the unit - and probably get 6-7 guys back - would be rather fair. As long as it's at 'would be remove as a casualty' and not 'at the end of turn' or whatever.

With a ghoast arc and a cryptec they'd get 15 back.

Which is almost an additional 200 points. And it isn't hard to kill the last 5 Warriors. Now nothing matters!

Also the fact you think RP gets stronger as the game size increases shows a huge disconnect from reality. You still also have yet to accept my invitation to post in the Necron Tactica. Wonder why that is?

First of all HQ's that are going to be in the army anyways aren't really a factor here. Necron armies have cryptecs...it's just the way it is.

Second - the ghost arch - like all transports costs too much. This is the kind of stuff I'd like to see change for crons. Cheaper ghost arcs - cheapers warriors. Not undeniable RP.


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 Marmatag wrote:
I have seen many of the points changes and marines will be happy.

Don't set me up for disappointment man!

If it makes you guys feel better, neither necrons OR space marines are at all relevant.

Ultramarines.

If I don't get charged I can't fall back ergo special rule is denied


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 Marmatag wrote:
I have seen many of the points changes and marines will be happy.

Are you sworn to secrecy? Spill the beans!

 Marmatag wrote:
I have seen many of the points changes and marines will be happy.

Wait, what?

I can't share details, sorry. But, there are a lot of changes. And not just for SM.

 Marmatag wrote:
I have seen many of the points changes and marines will be happy.

Huh?

 Marmatag wrote:
I can't share details, sorry. But, there are a lot of changes. And not just for SM.

Did you mug Reece? You're giving us all ultramarine balls, here.

Marmatag just say this much, which are better Primaris Intercessors or OG Tacticals.

 Quickjager wrote:
Marmatag just say this much, which are better Primaris Intercessors or OG Tacticals.

I'm guessing trolling it's not like GW is tracking his Dakkadakka account

Well - give him credit for being able to keep a secret. That is an admirably quality. No worry though - not everyone is so admirable. Details will be sooner rather than later.

When does this thing drop, then? If people have already seen it?

 Xenomancers wrote:
Well - give him credit for being able to keep a secret. That is an admirably quality. No worry though - not everyone is so admirable. Details will be sooner rather than later.

True - but I can't wait for the shitstorm. It's going to be so glorious.


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Martel732 wrote:
When does this thing drop, then? If people have already seen it?

Last year it was out before December so very, very soon. This week is clean up for BSF and next is almost guaranteed to be lead up to CA if not the week after.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Well - give him credit for being able to keep a secret. That is an admirably quality. No worry though - not everyone is so admirable. Details will be sooner rather than later.

True - but I can't wait for the shitstorm. It's going to be so glorious.


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Martel732 wrote:
When does this thing drop, then? If people have already seen it?

Last year it was out before December so very, very soon. This week is clean up for BSF and next is almost guaranteed to be lead up to CA if not the week after.

Nah if I knew I'd be spreading the word like herpes

 Marmatag wrote:
I can't share details, sorry. But, there are a lot of changes. And not just for SM.

Pick the % chance tactical marine players will be pleased.

A) 8%
B) 15%
C) 32%
D) More than 32%

Will GK players be happy too?

I really wonder how bold GW dares to be with CA in general. Points changes sure, but would they ever change units, add units or change/add strategems in CA?

 Xenomancers wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

Bharring wrote:
I feel like a 20-man Warrior blob spending CP when the last model is removed to roll WBB for the unit - and probably get 6-7 guys back - would be rather fair. As long as it's at 'would be remove as a casualty' and not 'at the end of turn' or whatever.

With a ghoast arc and a cryptec they'd get 15 back.

Which is almost an additional 200 points. And it isn't hard to kill the last 5 Warriors. Now nothing matters!

Also the fact you think RP gets stronger as the game size increases shows a huge disconnect from reality. You still also have yet to accept my invitation to post in the Necron Tactica. Wonder why that is?

First of all HQ's that are going to be in the army anyways aren't really a factor here. Necron armies have cryptecs...it's just the way it is.

Second - the ghost arch - like all transports costs too much. This is the kind of stuff I'd like to see change for crons. Cheaper ghost arcs - cheapers warriors. Not undeniable RP.


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 Marmatag wrote:
I have seen many of the points changes and marines will be happy.

Don't set me up for disappointment man!

First of all, you still need to include the points for them. Crypteks aren't free, and neither are Overlords, Lords, and Destroyer Lords. Nothing is free. You can't assume buffs without having paid the points. That's why some of the Guard players here are understandably frustrated when you talk about everything Infantry squads can do. You just assume without having paid the points.

Secondly, Ghost Arks having a price cut won't fix them, because you still won't take them to transport Warriors. Were they open topped and you could fire with the Warriors embarked, sure. As is with just a price cut? Don't make me laugh.

Thirdly, you still haven't accepted my invitation to the Necron Tactica. Why are you avoiding it? If you could just admit you're posting a lot of BS, you don't need to go in there and embarrass yourself.

chnmmr wrote:
Will GK players be happy too?

Being "happy" is all relative. I have a feeling GK players will be in a better place. Kind of like how a passenger on the Titanic with a life vest was better off than a passenger without one. Still screwed, just not quite as bad.

Gryphonne wrote:
I really wonder how bold GW dares to be with CA in general. Points changes sure, but would they ever change units, add units or change/add strategems in CA?

They can add units when new models pop out with the free PDFs they've done in the past.

Anything else is entirely feasible.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

Bharring wrote:
I feel like a 20-man Warrior blob spending CP when the last model is removed to roll WBB for the unit - and probably get 6-7 guys back - would be rather fair. As long as it's at 'would be remove as a casualty' and not 'at the end of turn' or whatever.

With a ghoast arc and a cryptec they'd get 15 back.

Which is almost an additional 200 points. And it isn't hard to kill the last 5 Warriors. Now nothing matters!

Also the fact you think RP gets stronger as the game size increases shows a huge disconnect from reality. You still also have yet to accept my invitation to post in the Necron Tactica. Wonder why that is?

First of all HQ's that are going to be in the army anyways aren't really a factor here. Necron armies have cryptecs...it's just the way it is.

Second - the ghost arch - like all transports costs too much. This is the kind of stuff I'd like to see change for crons. Cheaper ghost arcs - cheapers warriors. Not undeniable RP.


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 Marmatag wrote:
I have seen many of the points changes and marines will be happy.

Don't set me up for disappointment man!

First of all, you still need to include the points for them. Crypteks aren't free, and neither are Overlords, Lords, and Destroyer Lords. Nothing is free. You can't assume buffs without having paid the points. That's why some of the Guard players here are understandably frustrated when you talk about everything Infantry squads can do. You just assume without having paid the points.

Secondly, Ghost Arks having a price cut won't fix them, because you still won't take them to transport Warriors. Were they open topped and you could fire with the Warriors embarked, sure. As is with just a price cut? Don't make me laugh.

Thirdly, you still haven't accepted my invitation to the Necron Tactica. Why are you avoiding it? If you could just admit you're posting a lot of BS, you don't need to go in there and embarrass yourself.

Have you ever seen a necron army without a cryptec? I havn't. We weren't doing a point comparison. The real question is - do they have a cryptec? and the answer will 90% of the time be yes. very much like - will space marines required HQ be a captain or a chapter master....the answer is yes.

I think marines players will be happy. I assume tactical players also like terminators? If i share details i lose friends, and access to this kind of info.

Funny enough i think overall Eldar players will be happy too.

I don't know about release date but the book is printed and has a cover.

Note that there's reasonably suggestive evidence that GW has done nasty canary traps in the past. Revealing specific details may out your source.

 Marmatag wrote:
I think marines players will be happy. I assume tactical players also like terminators? If i share details i lose friends, and access to this kind of info.

Funny enough i think overall Eldar players will be happy too.

I don't know about release date but the book is printed and has a cover.

Who needs friends when you can have...THIS?

 Marmatag wrote:
I think marines players will be happy. I assume tactical players also like terminators? If i share details i lose friends, and access to this kind of info.

Funny enough i think overall Eldar players will be happy too.

I don't know about release date but the book is printed and has a cover.

So, would you just say that CA will fix a lot of problems?

Don't listen to anything Marmatag says. They are known Xeno scum and is here just to get our hopes up so that when the reduce the prices of Dissie cannons, make doom apply to the entire enemy army and price Guilliman like a titan they will collect our tears to power those dark eldar suffering mobiles...

 Marmatag wrote:
I think marines players will be happy. I assume tactical players also like terminators? If i share details i lose friends, and access to this kind of info.

Funny enough i think overall Eldar players will be happy too.

I don't know about release date but the book is printed and has a cover.

Should be under a month then.

Very exciting.

Eldar buffs? Please tell me jetbike warlock conclave is a thing now!?!?

 Marmatag wrote:
I think marines players will be happy. I assume tactical players also like terminators? If i share details i lose friends, and access to this kind of info.

Funny enough i think overall Eldar players will be happy too.

I don't know about release date but the book is printed and has a cover.

Alright I can respect that. But was it just points or did they make rule changes?

I'm guessing that Eldar Wraithknights will return to reasonable points values. That will help them sell the Battleforce as well.

bananathug wrote:
Don't listen to anything Marmatag says. They are known Xeno scum and is here just to get our hopes up so that when the reduce the prices of Dissie cannons, make doom apply to the entire enemy army and price Guilliman like a titan they will collect our tears to power those dark eldar suffering mobiles...

LOL!!