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Yeah looking at it, it screams high RoF more than damage to me. I still hope it's like 8-12 shots at S6 AP-1 D2 (more likely 12 shots at D1) but I can't imagine it being over D2.

Let's face it Ghaz is never going to be a shooting powerhouse, but with his old rules it was barely worth the effort to roll the dice. Hopefully this remedies that

thats really all i hope for in his shooting is enough of a bite to actually kill SOMETHING
6 bigshoota shots did absolutely nothing.

Even if its just a 6shot Supa Shoota, i'd be fine with that. Supa Shootas at least can do something.

 Jidmah wrote:

 deffrekka wrote:
Im not really interested in his shooting profile even though I love his new gun model wise, too me I just wanna know what damage he can do with his Klaw, im praying it aint damage d6! Flat 4 or 5 wound be what id love, not flat 6. Maybe min 3 on a D6 if you roll a 1 or 2.

Haha, no way. Thrakka is not a knight! Most likely we will be looking at a something in the autocannon category, with S5-7, lots of shots and AP -1 or -2. If we're lucky it will be D2 instead of D1


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 Khorzain wrote:
That massive Power Klaw deserves a deadly statline. It's a good candidate for the D6 w/ damage rolls of 1 or 2 counting as 3.

Maybe deals mortal wounds on 6's to-wound, or give it AP-5 Rending on 6's instead — you can comfortably fit a Primaris Marine in it lol.

I really hope it gets two modes like the nauts do, I'd love to go sweeping away primaris with him.

I meant his melee profile not his gun. Flat damage 4 isnt a huge stretch, neither is d6 damage min 3.

I think the klaw being 4 damage is a pretty safe bet

wonder if they'll give him a better warlord trait. The goff one sucks.

It needs to be better than the Da Killa klaw. Ghaz would take the strongest klaw as his personal weapon.

I'm guessing no -1 hit penalty, flat 4, ap-4. If we're lucky, a sweeping option, so he has limited attacks against Vehicles (5 o so), but can swath through trash infantry like they aren't there.

The gun if we're lucky will be a Supa Shoota... doubt it'll be much better. But that alone would be a nice improvement.

Oh dear lord please no more nobz

But on better note, the model is freaking beautiful!

His current klaw is pretty close to those stats so an additional AP and damage seem more than fair. I think it'd be cool if he just got extra attacks with his legs when he attacks to help out as a horde deterrent. Cawl has 2d6 mechadendrite attacks at S5 in addition to normal strikes and he isn't even a CC character..

One thing that's a guarantee,His gun will have random number of shots, 4d3 or 4d6 perhaps

 acme2468 wrote:
One thing that's a guarantee,His gun will have random number of shots, 4d3 or 4d6 perhaps

Oh god no.... dont jinx it haha!!

The one thing I hate so much is the damn randomness of our weapons. I had a game on Saturday against Scions and none of my Smasha Guns could hit or roll higher than a 5 against Taurox Primes... Until turn 3. I even ran a couple of Zzap Guns just for nostalgia and they are going back in the trash ahaha! Rolled str 11 for one, never hit. Other one couldnt get higher than str 7. Rokkits all the way for me! Usually my Smasha Guns are great but this weekend they were hot garbage.

Judging from the model, I'd say it'll either be 8 or 12 shots, probably S5 or 6, with AP -1 or 2, and 1 or 2 Damage. Because we're Orkz, I'd lean more towards the "not as good" side of things.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
thats really all i hope for in his shooting is enough of a bite to actually kill SOMETHING
6 bigshoota shots did absolutely nothing.

Even if its just a 6shot Supa Shoota, i'd be fine with that. Supa Shootas at least can do something.

I bet it will be a 12 shot big shoota

Ghaz is cool but that Klaw has to go. Hate that Klaw.

 Haasbioroid wrote:
Here's a weird thought:

What if Ghaz has two different stat lines depending on if you pose him for Morks Roar, or Gorks Klaw?


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Eh...nevermind...I don't own a morkanaut or gorkanaut but I assumed they had different statlines, they appear the same though.

Morkanaut has 2 less Attacks but more wargear options and superior guns. His basic stats could be the same but he could lose A if posed for the gun but get a better shooting profile or something. I like the thought but I wouldn't count on it happening.

Such a great model!

Weapon wise I think both weapons will get a minor boost in stats maybe +1 damage on the claw and double shots on the Shoota
My hopes for stats is that they stay pretty similar to what they are now, I don’t want him to be targetable and his stats and size are pretty already pretty similar to Robby G So I wouldn’t expect him to change much.
I don’t want him to go up in points which is already the biggest reason i don’t take him.

I’d like and expect his area effect to be improved.

PiñaColada wrote:
Let's face it, it's going to look ridiculous if Ghazzy is 9 wounds with that stature. So we're back to the speculation I brought up a couple of weeks ago, how can they make a 10+ wounds Ghaz work?

It'll be interesting to see how they handle it for sure

Guilliman has 9 wounds with that stature as well, so I don't think he'll have 10+.

 Kaptin_Grubkrumpa wrote:
Oh dear lord please no more nobz

If you have enough nobz, you can always combine them with a box of flash gits to make 10 gits, as the bodies are pretty much the same

i guarantee hes going up in points.
Orks dont get free upgrades. Theres a drawback to everything new we get.

 TedNugent wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
thats really all i hope for in his shooting is enough of a bite to actually kill SOMETHING
6 bigshoota shots did absolutely nothing.

Even if its just a 6shot Supa Shoota, i'd be fine with that. Supa Shootas at least can do something.

I bet it will be a 12 shot big shoota

It's a named relic, so at the very least it might get the "mastercrafted" bonus of +1S -1AP.


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Pandabeer wrote:

 Haasbioroid wrote:
Here's a weird thought:

His basic stats could be the same but he could lose A if posed for the gun but get a better shooting profile or something. I like the thought but I wouldn't count on it happening.

He is just posable, not changing his loadout. Mortarion works the very same well, having an extra head, arm and pistol so you can either have him with the scythe raised and the gun pointed down, or the gun up and the scythe pointed down. If you feel like doing silly stuff with a 120€ model, you could model Mortarion with two pistols.

I'm totally on board with the equivalent of two twin supa shootas, and if his klaw has two profiles that would be amazing.

One thing that I find really interesting is that the model shows where his head was reattached. It might not seem like much, but it implies that they wrote the fluff for it first and then made the model to align with the lore. This is an inversion of GWs usual process, which is to make models first and then write lore and rules based on what the model designers come up with. I wonder if this signals a change in the way they operate, maybe they'll start writing lore and rules first and making model kits afterwards, and we won't get kneecapped quite as hard by the unit entries being limited to only what comes in the kit. (We still would be limited to what's in the kits, but the kits will now hopefully include all the options we want.)

 Vineheart01 wrote:
i guarantee hes going up in points.
Orks dont get free upgrades. Theres a drawback to everything new we get.

He’s a little overpriced at the moment imo so maybe he’ll stay the same!

 office_waaagh wrote:
I'm totally on board with the equivalent of two twin supa shootas, and if his klaw has two profiles that would be amazing.

One thing that I find really interesting is that the model shows where his head was reattached. It might not seem like much, but it implies that they wrote the fluff for it first and then made the model to align with the lore. This is an inversion of GWs usual process, which is to make models first and then write lore and rules based on what the model designers come up with. I wonder if this signals a change in the way they operate, maybe they'll start writing lore and rules first and making model kits afterwards, and we won't get kneecapped quite as hard by the unit entries being limited to only what comes in the kit. (We still would be limited to what's in the kits, but the kits will now hopefully include all the options we want.)

I think the era of kits full of options has come to an end. Recent sets with many options like the plague marines or bloat-drones are rarely bought, while the ETB variants of either are everywhere. A box with many options like flash gits or mek gunz always costs more compared to other single-build sets like the buggies and therefore will be bought less.

 Jidmah wrote:

 office_waaagh wrote:
I'm totally on board with the equivalent of two twin supa shootas, and if his klaw has two profiles that would be amazing.

One thing that I find really interesting is that the model shows where his head was reattached. It might not seem like much, but it implies that they wrote the fluff for it first and then made the model to align with the lore. This is an inversion of GWs usual process, which is to make models first and then write lore and rules based on what the model designers come up with. I wonder if this signals a change in the way they operate, maybe they'll start writing lore and rules first and making model kits afterwards, and we won't get kneecapped quite as hard by the unit entries being limited to only what comes in the kit. (We still would be limited to what's in the kits, but the kits will now hopefully include all the options we want.)

I think the era of kits full of options has come to an end. Recent sets with many options like the plague marines or bloat-drones are rarely bought, while the ETB variants of either are everywhere. A box with many options like flash gits or mek gunz always costs more compared to other single-build sets like the buggies and therefore will be bought less.

I suspect it'll depend on how many kits they expect to sell, a lot of other armies' unit boxes come with options for a couple of variants in the box, plus aesthetic choices (helmets or bare heads, for example), particularly the newer kits like Sisters.

I meant more that games design could start to inform model design rather than being determined by it. For example, I know for a fact that when the Red Waaagh! came out they made the Grukk model first and then sent the design to the rules team to make rules for afterwards, and we got a warboss with Shred not because we needed that but because that's what the miniatures designers thought would look cool. I'm wondering if they'll reverse it, and let the rules team say "this army needs a unit that fills the role of a battle tank with a heavy 8 autocannon, can you make us one?" to the miniatures designers. Since apparently they let the lore writers tell the miniatures designers "make a bigger Ghaz, except he's had his head chopped off and reattached."

monopose kits make no sense to me.
If its a special named character, fine having more than 1 is kinda pointless anyway. But anything else...just why?
Look at Admech. Every one of their kits (minus characters) is a duo-kit or has multiple gun options (crawler, robots). Most of these duo-dataslates are literally swap the head and/or weapon or add this plate here, thats all it takes to make people want to buy more of that kit because its two separate units in one kit.
How many squigbuggies you think GW will sell? Had that dataslate been part of the KBB with an alternate back piece instead of a whole different kit they more than likely wouldnt have had such a massive stink for sales for that buggy.

I bought quite a lot of Squigbuggies. Just not to be used as squigbuggies haha! Mine are all converted into Megatrakks as im not a fan of a downed jet on wheels.

Same with the Snazzwagon, I used it to make Dragstas as I hate the model itself and I find the Snazzwagon the best looking out of all the buggies, then the Rukkatrukk, then Boosta Blasta.

Comically and ironically, im the opposite on the aesthetics opinion there lol.
Squigbuggy just looks like a Trukk variant to me, not even a buggy. Only thing about the Snazzwagon i love is the name and i find the strapped grot amusing at least.
Shokkjump is easily my favorite with KBB a close second.

To each their own i guess lol

Rules wise, yeah Shokkjump and Mekatrakk are my favourite but both dont look like buggies at all. The Snazzwagon is the only really true buggy in terms of looks, the KBB is a hot rod and the Rukkatrukk is yeah a Trukk variant but thats why I like it, reminds me of the old FW Gun Trukks, which when converted they look mean and meaty to represent the profile of the Megatrakk. Ill post pictures in the morning of mine. But by far the Snazzwagon is my favourite with looks. I swapped out the engines, did the same with the manifolds and exhausts. Drivers was reposed, each gunner was different, a couple of pics are in my gallery from a year ago of what I started on.

Let’s talk about the travesty that is the lore of this release.
Ghaz is a normal ork shot in the head and loses half his skull....
Gortsnik fixes his head and ghaz becomes a prophet
Ghaz goes to armeggedon and loses to a stale mate twice
First time he loses his klaw to yarrik after yarrik loses his hand in a stale mate
Grotznik fixes him up again
Second war for Armageddon ghaz is now the defacto warbles of all orks and gathers the largest wagghh ever captures yarrik and lets him live because he is the only human worth the fight

In comes the horrid 8th edition writing
Ghaz is basically a prime ork now
Ghaz get beat up and decapitated by random named non primarus space marine in some random small battle
Ghaz cuts off his arm again but somehow loses his head to the 1 armed man!
By luck some grot finds his head and grotznik fixes him up again!

The most powerful prime ork since the heresy is beaten by a 1 armed random space marine? Seriously?
Shoot him with a volcano cannon from a war hound titan or stormlord or an entire strike team of primarus lead by Dante or a real primarus marine... anything but this sad nonsense.

All I can say is game wise grotznik needs to have a 4+ fnp aura the dude is fekkin klutch all the time with his saves!

gungo wrote:
Let’s talk about the travesty that is the lore of this release.
Ghaz is a normal ork shot in the head and loses half his skull....
Gortsnik fixes his head and ghaz becomes a prophet
Ghaz goes to armeggedon and loses to a stale mate twice
First time he loses his klaw to yarrik after yarrik loses his hand in a stale mate
Grotznik fixes him up again
Second war for Armageddon ghaz is now the defacto warbles of all orks and gathers the largest wagghh ever captures yarrik and lets him live because he is the only human worth the fight

In comes the horrid 8th edition writing
Ghaz is basically a prime ork now
Ghaz get beat up and decapitated by random named non primarus space marine in some random small battle
Ghaz cuts off his arm again but somehow loses his head to the 1 armed man!
By luck some grot finds his head and grotznik fixes him up again!

The most powerful prime ork since the heresy is beaten by a 1 armed random space marine? Seriously?
Shoot him with a volcano cannon from a war hound titan or stormlord or an entire strike team of primarus lead by Dante or a real primarus marine... anything but this sad nonsense.

All I can say is game wise grotznik needs to have a 4+ fnp aura the dude is fekkin klutch all the time with his saves!

I get that SM get all the lore favouritism usually from GW, but a lot of what you stated was wrong.

Ghaz has only been to Armageddon twice, I don't know what two stale mates you're talking about, but he lost the 2nd War for Armageddon after Yarrick stalled him long enough at Hades Hive. For the Third War for Armageddon, that was the only stalemate and that's partially because Ghaz got bored and left. Ghaz never lost his klaw to Yarrick, you're thinking of a different Ork Warboss that Yarrick decapitated, when Ghazzy found Yarrick he completely destroyed him and he only clung to life due to his iron will.

Ghaz got his head cut off by a named guy called Ragnar Blackmane, as much as I don't like SW, he's effectively the SW version of Cato Sicarius and is pretty much the shoe-in for the next Chapter Master of the SW. And given how much plot armour SW have, it's actually something to know it was a mutual KO. Chances are Blackmane went for a Haily Mary attack that got through the same time Ghaz managed to close his klaw around his arm that swung the blade, so his head came off while Blackmane's arm did. So it's not like he did it one-armed most likely.

Also, Ghaz is said to effectively be on the way to be a Prime-Ork, not that he already is. I wouldn't take it personally either, because this being 40K, named characters are almost effectively invulnerable to stuff like Exterminatus, Super-Heavy weapons and the like. Think about it. Even Jarran Kell, Creed's bodyguard, didn't die from a bolter round or super-weapon, he got personally killed by Abbadon the Despoiler. If you're a named character with a model, you generally either don't die (like this for example), or you die from a named character.

 Grimskul wrote:

gungo wrote:
Let’s talk about the travesty that is the lore of this release.
Ghaz is a normal ork shot in the head and loses half his skull....
Gortsnik fixes his head and ghaz becomes a prophet
Ghaz goes to armeggedon and loses to a stale mate twice
First time he loses his klaw to yarrik after yarrik loses his hand in a stale mate
Grotznik fixes him up again
Second war for Armageddon ghaz is now the defacto warbles of all orks and gathers the largest wagghh ever captures yarrik and lets him live because he is the only human worth the fight

In comes the horrid 8th edition writing
Ghaz is basically a prime ork now
Ghaz get beat up and decapitated by random named non primarus space marine in some random small battle
Ghaz cuts off his arm again but somehow loses his head to the 1 armed man!
By luck some grot finds his head and grotznik fixes him up again!

The most powerful prime ork since the heresy is beaten by a 1 armed random space marine? Seriously?
Shoot him with a volcano cannon from a war hound titan or stormlord or an entire strike team of primarus lead by Dante or a real primarus marine... anything but this sad nonsense.

All I can say is game wise grotznik needs to have a 4+ fnp aura the dude is fekkin klutch all the time with his saves!

I get that SM get all the lore favouritism usually from GW, but a lot of what you stated was wrong.

Ghaz has only been to Armageddon twice, I don't know what two stale mates you're talking about, but he lost the 2nd War for Armageddon after Yarrick stalled him long enough at Hades Hive. For the Third War for Armageddon, that was the only stalemate and that's partially because Ghaz got bored and left. Ghaz never lost his klaw to Yarrick, you're thinking of a different Ork Warboss that Yarrick decapitated, when Ghazzy found Yarrick he completely destroyed him and he only clung to life due to his iron will.

Ghaz got his head cut off by a named guy called Ragnar Blackmane, as much as I don't like SW, he's effectively the SW version of Cato Sicarius and is pretty much the shoe-in for the next Chapter Master of the SW. And given how much plot armour SW have, it's actually something to know it was a mutual KO. Chances are Blackmane went for a Haily Mary attack that got through the same time Ghaz managed to close his klaw around his arm that swung the blade, so his head came off while Blackmane's arm did. So it's not like he did it one-armed most likely.

Also, Ghaz is said to effectively be on the way to be a Prime-Ork, not that he already is. I wouldn't take it personally either, because this being 40K, named characters are almost effectively invulnerable to stuff like Exterminatus, Super-Heavy weapons and the like. Think about it. Even Jarran Kell, Creed's bodyguard, didn't die from a bolter round or super-weapon, he got personally killed by Abbadon the Despoiler. If you're a named character with a model, you generally either don't die (like this for example), or you die from a named character.

I only claimed he stalemated in armeggedon twice... both times the waaagh was stalled... maybe I was wrong on yarricks klaw However ghaz kept yarrick alive because he respected yarricks fighting.

And you made up a bunch of stuff on how a 1 armed man decapitated ghaz as no where what you wrote existed again a regular non primarus non primarch non custodes non chapter master space marine took out the most powerful ork since the heresy... I stand by assessment of the Mary Sue marines and the atrocious lore of using ghaz at a catalyst for nonsense writing.