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 Jidmah wrote:
From the 4chan leak we also know it goes up to 130 from 92.

Link? Or any more spicy info? 50% point increase is expected (and probably needs worse). TFCs are way too efficient, given tremor shells is probably a top 10 strat...

tulun wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
From the 4chan leak we also know it goes up to 130 from 92.

Link? Or any more spicy info? 50% point increase is expected (and probably needs worse). TFCs are way too efficient, given tremor shells is probably a top 10 strat...

heh I was hoping for a link as well

Relevant text here.

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2020/06/9th-edition-rumors.html?m=1

that read bothered me on so many levels.
He got a ton of rules wrong and was corrected on the spot, or added later he mispoke and its actually this way.

Though i imagine the points thing is accurate as he would have been reading from a list at that point. The rest...im sketchy because of how often he was directly contradicting the previews.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
that read bothered me on so many levels.
He got a ton of rules wrong and was corrected on the spot, or added later he mispoke and its actually this way.

Though i imagine the points thing is accurate as he would have been reading from a list at that point. The rest...im sketchy because of how often he was directly contradicting the previews.

We'll know soon enough I guess.

So we got the last PA coming out then the generals handbook for 2020. Do we know whats coming out after that? Could be the new book.

cody.d. wrote:
So we got the last PA coming out then the generals handbook for 2020. Do we know whats coming out after that? Could be the new book.

I don't think there's anything else on the radar.
From wiki RE: the announcement and release of 8th.

Announced on April 22, 2017, pre-orders for June 3 and release date of June 17, 2017.

9th got announced May 23rd, so if they even loosely follow that pattern we could expect pre-orders announced this weekend or next and have it released by the end of July.

Blast weapons leak.

Smasha guns are blast babbbyyy.

https://imgur.com/a/1oDiCIB

So are Grotzookas that could be pretty fun now that Kans ignore heavy while on the move. Rokkit kannon is too, possibly fun.

PiñaColada wrote:
Yeah, exactly it's 7.5 assuming the heavy bolter can't shoot (which is somewhat fair) and they are not cadians. It also assumes it's not buffed by direct onslaught or in the emperors wrath detachment.

And I seriously doubt boyz are staying at 7, I'd say 8 and we're lucky considering what we've seen so far..

Edit: Just as an argument, if they're cadian and buffed by direct onslaught (meaning the HB can also shoot), one wyvern then kills roughly 14,5 boyz (13,1 + 1,2 from the HB)

Do you assume orks are not evil suns when coming out of deep strike as well?

Always assume units are on most beneficitial order/klan/regiment/whatever as that's what people go for.


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 Quackzo wrote:

9th got announced May 23rd, so if they even loosely follow that pattern we could expect pre-orders announced this weekend or next and have it released by the end of July.

Well 25th has been speculated and in that case we will hear of it this sunday.

tulun wrote:
Blast weapons leak.

Smasha guns are blast babbbyyy.

https://imgur.com/a/1oDiCIB

The only surprises to me on that list were the buzzbomb (30 auto-hits vs horde!) and the bubblechukka which might actually become useful now.

Bubblechukka was large blast in 7th, it was very likely to become Blast. Smasha Gunz are the real surprise as they were single shot weapons upgraded to D3 shots in this edition, and maybe Rokkit Kannons, which aren't any different than an array of Rokkit Launchas on paper, but the model's weapon does look like a kannon/killkannon so it's not really a surprise.

Bubblechukka being useful would make sense: KMKs and Traktors were the optimal mek gunz in 7th, Smashas had the edge in 8th, so Bubblechukkas could be the shiny ork artillery in 9th. It allows GW to keep selling those ultra-expensive models

Completely forgot about the Buzzbomb

Weapon with random d6's for everything still is unlikely to make good list. At least in index you could affect stat line somehow by putting up worst stat to one you don't mind it least. Now too high chance you get screwed in some department.

tneva82 wrote:
Weapon with random d6's for everything still is unlikely to make good list. At least in index you could affect stat line somehow by putting up worst stat to one you don't mind it least. Now too high chance you get screwed in some department.

If they are 50% cheaper than other mek gunz they'll likely become the best ork artillery. Smashas had the edge over KMKs because they were 50% cheaper in 8th despite being more random. Too soon to say.

Seeing bubble chucka kills ~0.6 primaris marine a turn for <=5 squads, ~0.71 vs 6-10 marine and vs 11+ marines whopping 1,08 marine needs to be pretty damned cheap. Or target needs to be more optimal than primaris marine whatever that is then.

If anything, the bubble-chucka would be an anti-horde gun that can hope to get lucky if shooting anything else.
It's pretty much the mek gun version of a lobba.

The bubblechukka is weird since you'll most likely end up with relatively poor strength but good AP and Damage, so ideally you'll want it fired at something with several wounds and no invuln yet still with merely an average toughness.

Centurions and aggressors are both decent targets in spite of their toughness as with just about average stats you can still one-shot those guys and even just one guy killed has made the gun worth it. Ork MANZ are probably a pretty good target as they're only T4.

Light vehicles (meaning T6) and stuff like the new SM bikes should be decent targets as well.

The problem with all of this is that you get the stats after you've chosen a target, if you rolled for stats and then chose a target (like chaos obliterators) then they'd actually be really interesting IMO.

The nature of the Bubblechukka makes it an anti armored infantry tool. It'll definitely have some AP, probably a good one, and very likely it'll be multidamage. Number of shots and S however will unlikely be high enough to threaten units like bikes, Grotesques or light vehicles.

The appropriate targets are profile with T3-4 4+ or better save and 2+W. Primaris comes in mind first, or units like necron infantries or sisters.

Well 0.35 centurion(assuming 5 or less models) or 0.44 aggressor. So about 3 of those and you average one dead big walker. Yeah think bit better target point efficiency wise.

Ability to shoot target after stats would be good gaming wise, less easy to explain fluffwise and not going to happen before next codex unless GW releases new verssion of model before.

I really like the Bubblechukka as an idea – the level of variance means it's never going to cut the mustard for the sort of hyper-competitive people who want to eliminate as much random chance as possible from a list, but it feels Proppa Orky. So I'm hoping that Blast, combined with whatever the new point cost ends up being, push it into "not actively mugging yourself off by taking it" territory.

Bubblechukka is still trash to me. I suspect people that arent orks will rarely take more than 5man squads anyway. Its still 50-50 to be such low strength it wont hurt anything.

Kinda surprised the Stompa's Supa Gatler isnt on there, it also fires a high random shots. Guess they felt they needed one of its weapons to NOT be blast, since the missiles and kannon are blast.
Not that its a big deal since unless they eratta it away the big things still can fall back and shoot freely anyway.

tneva82 wrote:


Ability to shoot target after stats would be good gaming wise, less easy to explain fluffwise and not going to happen before next codex unless GW releases new verssion of model before.

True, but high randomness didn't stop the SAG to be efficient. Even standard non deathskullz or freebooterz SAG.

Compare the two weapons, both have random S and number of shots, same multidamage, and anything that is an appropriate target for an AP-5 weapon is also an appropriate target for a weapon that has 83% odds of being AP-2 or better.

It's mostly a matter of points values.

 Blackie wrote:

tneva82 wrote:


Ability to shoot target after stats would be good gaming wise, less easy to explain fluffwise and not going to happen before next codex unless GW releases new verssion of model before.

True, but high randomness didn't stop the SAG to be efficient. Even standard non deathskullz or freebooterz SAG.

Compare the two weapons, both have random S and number of shots, same multidamage, and anything that is an appropriate target for an AP-5 weapon is also an appropriate target for a weapon that has 83% odds of being AP-2 or better.

It's mostly a matter of points values.

One isn't wounding on 6's 33% of times. Has 2d6(regular shock attack gun isn't that good), has fixed good AP, is on character so easier to cover, tosses MW's and you know S before firing. Plus 2d6 shots at 2d6 S is lot better than d6 shots at d6 S.

How much you would think is good for bubble chucka that kills less than 1 primaris marine a turn?

Unless Bubblechuckas become 2d6 to actually differenciate them.

There are many things we will need to figure it out. Discussing if a unit is good or bad under current circunstances is a futile exercise.

Said that, please go on.

Theres two big differences between the SAG and Bubbkechukka

SAG is 2D6 strength, so its highly likely to atleast be decent strength
SAG has flat AP4 instead of random AP, so even its utter garbage strength rolls can sometimes still kill things dead. Ive had that happen a few times where i rolled a 2 for strength, 4 shots, and got 3 wounds through anyway because dice were hot in the hit/wound department.

Bubblechukka rolling garbage for AP will kill it more than its strength, but rolling S1/2 will make it pretty garbage too. Also it will never have the strength to hurt big things reliably, which is what you would want mek gunz for anyway. Orks dont need an anti-horde weapon that 1/3 of the time wounds them on a 6 despite being T4 squishies.

It really depends on how many bubblechukkas you can take per SAG. If you roll for six chuckas, they start becoming reliable.

However, it won't ever matter at its current point costs when you can have a smasha for less.

Points for SM leaked.

Aggressors 40 points. GW doesn't understand it's own game.

https://imgur.com/a/VPR5NCt

....aggressors got cheaper...are you fething kidding me...

*Excudes wargear cool except you listed their gear as 0pts.

Wtf, They cost 48pts currently. Their guns arent Blast shockingly enough but still WTF! Of all the marine units to get a price cut that was the worst one to give a break to.

Good god GW....
edit: ignore that, battlescribe lists its points for that unit weirdly i misread it.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
....aggressors got cheaper...are you fething kidding me...

*Excudes wargear cool except you listed their gear as 0pts.

Wtf, They cost 48pts currently. Their guns arent Blast shockingly enough but still WTF! Of all the marine units to get a price cut that was the worst one to give a break to.

Good god GW....

I'm pretty sure Aggressors are 37 points now, so they went up 3 ppm.

Misread battlescribe. Forgot for that unit they do this really funky weapons/units are priced separately thing.

Wonder how theyre going to price meganobz. Theyre already overpriced comparatively by quite a large margin.