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 Red Corsair wrote:
The marine codex has too many data slates as it is, no way they flesh out the primaris line and keep it attached to the old stuff.

How would they fluff justify separate army lists when they're already integrated?

GW will keep stuff in the line up as long as it keeps selling enough numbers to justify it. If people keep buying and using tacticals, tacticals won't go away. All the GW lines that folded did so because they weren't selling enough to justify keeping them. SoB were kept alive for how long by its player base, who continued to buy despite sky high prices and an all metal army - Space Marines have no such problems.

At worst some of the SM stuff goes direct order only to save store shelf space. The 8th edition SM codex is already huge, all they have to do is cut some of the excessive background pages, or make it thicker still - GW has no hesitation to do either AFAIK.

At the very least, interest in Tac Marines over Intercessors will make future Intercessors more Tac-like.

 Crimson wrote:
Well, FW has been completely useless lately. They have bunch of models that do not have 40K rules, and against all reason they refuse to give them such, even though people have requested them for years. It is like they would have adamantly decided to not to sell any models.

Yep.

Still got this 500$ of Forgeworld admech that dooooes not have any rules at all, unless I want to play "7th edition but with snobbier powergamers"

the_scotsman wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Well, FW has been completely useless lately. They have bunch of models that do not have 40K rules, and against all reason they refuse to give them such, even though people have requested them for years. It is like they would have adamantly decided to not to sell any models.

Yep.

Still got this 500$ of Forgeworld admech that dooooes not have any rules at all, unless I want to play "7th edition but with snobbier powergamers"

Thankfully I only have one squad of Thallaxii. I ordered them when the Fires of Cyraxus was first announced aeons ago. I contemplated a much bigger order then, and I am really glad that I decided against it.

I think that it is pretty clear that GW is going to replace Space Marines with Primaris Space Marines. They are doing it in a way that will reduce culture shock, piece by piece, but they are doing it. The main problem for them is that because they have put so much emphasis on tournament play with this edition, they have to create Primaris equivalents for Space Marine players. So, for instance, they will have to make Primaris tac, dev, and assault squads with more options to satisfy tournament players. I look forward to all of the new models.

Smellingsalts wrote:
I think that it is pretty clear that GW is going to replace Space Marines with Primaris Space Marines. They are doing it in a way that will reduce culture shock, piece by piece, but they are doing it. The main problem for them is that because they have put so much emphasis on tournament play with this edition, they have to create Primaris equivalents for Space Marine players. So, for instance, they will have to make Primaris tac, dev, and assault squads with more options to satisfy tournament players. I look forward to all of the new models.

I agree, but I think it would have been better to have made the change overnight, rather than piece by piece.
If Tacs, Devs and AM models were replaced with Primaris equivalents (meaning actual Primaris Tacs, Devs and AMs, not the pseudo equivalents that currently exist) than their actually could be less "culture shock" as older player could continue to use the current models with the new models rules, rather then being forced to either buy the new stuff, or accept inferior rules for their old.

But GW wants you to buy new stuff, so here we are. It's hard to not think this is deliberate. Create new units alongside the old to encourage purchases, then slowly stop supporting the old options.
A clear side effect of this is that neither "set" of models has ideal rules. Standard Marines are clearly inferior, while Primaris are clearly overcosted. 15ppm 2W Marines that combine the attributes of both would have produced a far better army

If GW is going to come out with a new Marine Codex, I'd hope they'd just hurry up and rip off the Band-Aid and just have Primaris Marines with Standard Marine options

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the_scotsman wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Well, FW has been completely useless lately. They have bunch of models that do not have 40K rules, and against all reason they refuse to give them such, even though people have requested them for years. It is like they would have adamantly decided to not to sell any models.

Yep.

Still got this 500$ of Forgeworld admech that dooooes not have any rules at all, unless I want to play "7th edition but with snobbier powergamers"

Eh, naw, you have 500$ of Mechanicum created for a different system in a different setting and are upset FW won't take time to give you side-rules to use them in another game and setting. Playing "7th but with snobbier power gamers" is what the models were intended for, it's not FW's fault if people bought them for something else and then GW-proper's actions made that no longer possible.

EDIT: And for clarity, I hope they do get 40K 8th rules for people that want to use them that way. I just have no problem with FW putting the creation of those rules behind supporting the systems that they're actually meant to be responsible for.

 Yodhrin wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Well, FW has been completely useless lately. They have bunch of models that do not have 40K rules, and against all reason they refuse to give them such, even though people have requested them for years. It is like they would have adamantly decided to not to sell any models.

Yep.

Still got this 500$ of Forgeworld admech that dooooes not have any rules at all, unless I want to play "7th edition but with snobbier powergamers"

Eh, naw, you have 500$ of Mechanicum created for a different system in a different setting and are upset FW won't take time to give you side-rules to use them in another game and setting. Playing "7th but with snobbier power gamers" is what the models were intended for, it's not FW's fault if people bought them for something else and then GW-proper's actions made that no longer possible.

EDIT: And for clarity, I hope they do get 40K 8th rules for people that want to use them that way. I just have no problem with FW putting the creation of those rules behind supporting the systems that they're actually meant to be responsible for.

Respectfully I disagree, it makes the most business sense to open their very expensive and expansive range to a 2nd system to maximise sales. The rules ultimately wouldn't take them all that long in the grand scheme of it. People don't want a full campaign book, just rules for stuff they bought when FW told people they would be able to use them for 40k.

Plus HH was an expansion of 40k and required a 40k rulebook, so your argument to be supporting the system they're responsible for is a little backwards.

 Yodhrin wrote:

Eh, naw, you have 500$ of Mechanicum created for a different system in a different setting and are upset FW won't take time to give you side-rules to use them in another game and setting.

What you're missing that FW promised to provide such rules. Fires of Cyraxus was announced years ago. It is pretty reasonable that people are upset that they reneged on that promise, especially if they bough these absurdly overpriced models in anticipation.

 Yodhrin wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Well, FW has been completely useless lately. They have bunch of models that do not have 40K rules, and against all reason they refuse to give them such, even though people have requested them for years. It is like they would have adamantly decided to not to sell any models.

Yep.

Still got this 500$ of Forgeworld admech that dooooes not have any rules at all, unless I want to play "7th edition but with snobbier powergamers"

Eh, naw, you have 500$ of Mechanicum created for a different system in a different setting and are upset FW won't take time to give you side-rules to use them in another game and setting. Playing "7th but with snobbier power gamers" is what the models were intended for, it's not FW's fault if people bought them for something else and then GW-proper's actions made that no longer possible.

EDIT: And for clarity, I hope they do get 40K 8th rules for people that want to use them that way. I just have no problem with FW putting the creation of those rules behind supporting the systems that they're actually meant to be responsible for.

Except that I only bought into them because rules that are now what, five years late, were promised.

I only bought models that were shown in the preview images they put out for FoC - Thallax, Vorax, Castellax and Thanatars. Given that the rules and balancing effort Forgeworld put out for their 8th ed indexes can not have taken over a couple of hours for a small team of people to complete (and it shows) you'd think they could slap something together for the promised mechanicum models, even if the marines they were supposed to be paired with are now on the chopping block.

The same way they did for Custodes and titan guard.

Yeah, one thing is to expect 40k rules for things like special legion HH terminator units, but for things FW has promised rules... People is right to be upset.

None of this should come as a surprise to anyone that was honest with themselves during the Primaris reveal.

I’m not saying they’ll never go away, but standard marines are far away from being obsolete (sales wise anyway, maybe they’re terrible in game).

How many kits are there for non Primaris? You’ve got all the infantry models, then DA Vets, BA, SW stuff.
Then, all the vehicles and flyers, several with normal marines in the kit (pilot/gunner etc), so even if Primaris could sudden,y get in..
Then you’ve got all the HQ, Elite character option kits,
Then all the special characters too (while yes some are getting upgraded clearly, there are A Lot).

That’s a lot of kits to just trash.

Then you’ve got 4 marine codexes to just remove all the unit choices when they decide to stop marine sales (even if a new SM one comes now, as it’ll still have both in, so won’t count).

Just a thought I had..

the_scotsman wrote:
The ork buggies are only one way to build because they used a single-sprue design to allow them to maximise the size of the vehicle while minimizing the cost.

Nothing about this statement contradicts what he just said.

the_scotsman wrote:
If they had gone to two sprues (i.e with weapon and figure options) they would have been at a 60$ price point, which we have seen with units like mek gunz and ironstriders is incredibly unpopular with players when the units are only about 60-120 points.

The sprues they come with aren't exactly small, and could have had weapon options without the need for an additional sprue. It has no other options because no other options means no evil 3rd parties making bits for Ork vehicles (which many of them already due, some quite blatantly GW Orks rather than 'Fantasy Orcs in Sci-Fi/in WWII).

the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah, plague marines are an army designed to appeal to players with existing chaos armies. That's why you have plague marines, the terminator kit, etc with loads of model options like a traditional kit. There are plenty of other kits still coming out with tons of options - stuff for Necromunda, Skitarii, GSC, most likely Sisters.

You're going to say that the three main Plague Marine kits (Power Armour + 2 Terminator kits) are kits with lots of model options? They're mono-pose, with limited options. They're just like the Necromunda kits that have 5 poses and two weapon options per pose (without fiddling with the bits, that is, which is easy given it's plastic). The Deathshroud guys are basically three clampack characters sold in a single box with the amount of options they have. Then all the DG character models are mono-pose zero option kits.

Compare that to the Tzeentch Sorcerer kit, which is far more varied and contains tons of options. Again, this was not done by accident, or because of limited sprue space. They didn't have to make them the way they did. It's the same reason Primaris Marines have 5 bodies doubled per box, and no weapon options.

All of this stems from Chapterhouse.

the_scotsman wrote:
If you include single model upgrades, a younger player will usually build their squad with a stupid loadout, or they might make them with too many spcial/heavy weapons so they're not legal to play at all.

Sorry, but that's a terrible excuse for not including options.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Eh, naw, you have 500$ of Mechanicum created for a different system in a different setting and are upset FW won't take time to give you side-rules to use them in another game and setting. Playing "7th but with snobbier power gamers" is what the models were intended for, it's not FW's fault if people bought them for something else and then GW-proper's actions made that no longer possible.

EDIT: And for clarity, I hope they do get 40K 8th rules for people that want to use them that way. I just have no problem with FW putting the creation of those rules behind supporting the systems that they're actually meant to be responsible for.

I agree with you, but FW don't lose anything by putting out 8th Ed rules.

I mean, how hard can it be? Give any characters an aura that re-rolls or adds +1 to something, given every second weapon the ability to cause Mortal Wounds, and copy-paste a warlord table and change the names.

 Crimson wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

Eh, naw, you have 500$ of Mechanicum created for a different system in a different setting and are upset FW won't take time to give you side-rules to use them in another game and setting.

What you're missing that FW promised to provide such rules. Fires of Cyraxus was announced years ago. It is pretty reasonable that people are upset that they reneged on that promise, especially if they bough these absurdly overpriced models in anticipation.

I was annoyed by what happened with Cyraxus as well, but again, blame GW. GW merged FW in with SG and Middle Earth. GW created a new edition of the game that was such a radical departure in terms of rules it made all their work prior to 8th on FoC invalid and gave them little or no notice. GW created a new edition of the game with such a radical advancement of the fiction that FW felt the need to rewrite that part of the book as well(or were outright ordered to by GW in order to flog Primaris).

Right now FW are doing the right thing given the gak sandwich they were handed: focusing the resources they do have on the things they're directly responsible for like supporting the Specialist Games and Middle Earth SBG and, hopefully, ending the period of relative neglect of the Heresy. If that means folk have to wait a little longer to get a set of rules for a system the models were not made for in the first place, I can sympathise, but IMO it's a price worth paying.

Dudeface wrote:
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Respectfully I disagree, it makes the most business sense to open their very expensive and expansive range to a 2nd system to maximise sales. The rules ultimately wouldn't take them all that long in the grand scheme of it. People don't want a full campaign book, just rules for stuff they bought when FW told people they would be able to use them for 40k.

It makes the most business sense to ensure the primary system that supports the very expensive and expansive range is healthy and well supported, and they have a lot of work to do before that can be said to be true. And if they rush the rules people will just piss & moan that they're OP/not good enough. I will agree that whenever the rules are done, they shouldn't be held back for publication in Cyraxis if that arriving soon isn't a realistic prospect, they should be put on the website as soon as they're done, but if getting them done to a decent standard means diverting time & resources away from Heresy & Specialist Games they should wait.

Plus HH was an expansion of 40k and required a 40k rulebook, so your argument to be supporting the system they're responsible for is a little backwards.

HH was a distinct setting with its own army lists and special rules that shared the same core mechanics as 40K, and specifically noted that crossover with 40K armies was not supported despite it being technically possible. WHFB shared a lot of the core mechanics of 40K, as did classic 40K and Necromunda, were they all the same game? AoS and 8th share much DNA, same question? Battlefront 2 and Battlefield 5 both use the Frostbite engine to drive them, are they also the same game? Regardless, at the present time Heresy is a distinct system with its own rules and its own rulebook, over which FW has responsibility.

 John Prins wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
The marine codex has too many data slates as it is, no way they flesh out the primaris line and keep it attached to the old stuff.

How would they fluff justify separate army lists when they're already integrated?

Simple. Codex: Ultima Founding. Give all 12 chapter traits in the book, all primaris units, plus some SM units that would make sense in primaris chapter, add a table with unique wargear options for infantry leaders under the relics of each chapter, boom, you're done. Easily fits under standard Codex size.

 Yodhrin wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Still got this 500$ of Forgeworld admech that dooooes not have any rules at all, unless I want to play "7th edition but with snobbier powergamers"

Eh, naw, you have 500$ of Mechanicum created for a different system in a different setting and are upset FW won't take time to give you side-rules to use them in another game and setting. Playing "7th but with snobbier power gamers" is what the models were intended for, it's not FW's fault if people bought them for something else and then GW-proper's actions made that no longer possible.

Yup, "GW-proper's actions". It's not like Alan Bligh wanted to both move HH into 8th edition and publish 8th edition Cyraxus book, either of which would give the AM players playable army.

Oh, wait, he did, and it's the complete muppet who replaced him and decided to both not print finished book and kept HH in old, garbage system who is at fault. Not GW.

 Irbis wrote:
Simple. Codex: Ultima Founding. Give all 12 chapter traits in the book, all primaris units, plus some SM units that would make sense in primaris chapter, add a table with unique wargear options for infantry leaders under the relics of each chapter, boom, you're done. Easily fits under standard Codex size.

That's... actually a great idea.

I like that idea. I support this idea.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Irbis wrote:
Simple. Codex: Ultima Founding. Give all 12 chapter traits in the book, all primaris units, plus some SM units that would make sense in primaris chapter, add a table with unique wargear options for infantry leaders under the relics of each chapter, boom, you're done. Easily fits under standard Codex size.

That's... actually a great idea.

I like that idea. I support this idea.

Hear Hear! Irbis for President

 Galef wrote:

Smellingsalts wrote:
I think that it is pretty clear that GW is going to replace Space Marines with Primaris Space Marines. They are doing it in a way that will reduce culture shock, piece by piece, but they are doing it. The main problem for them is that because they have put so much emphasis on tournament play with this edition, they have to create Primaris equivalents for Space Marine players. So, for instance, they will have to make Primaris tac, dev, and assault squads with more options to satisfy tournament players. I look forward to all of the new models.

I agree, but I think it would have been better to have made the change overnight, rather than piece by piece.
If Tacs, Devs and AM models were replaced with Primaris equivalents (meaning actual Primaris Tacs, Devs and AMs, not the pseudo equivalents that currently exist) than their actually could be less "culture shock" as older player could continue to use the current models with the new models rules, rather then being forced to either buy the new stuff, or accept inferior rules for their old.

But GW wants you to buy new stuff, so here we are. It's hard to not think this is deliberate. Create new units alongside the old to encourage purchases, then slowly stop supporting the old options.
A clear side effect of this is that neither "set" of models has ideal rules. Standard Marines are clearly inferior, while Primaris are clearly overcosted. 15ppm 2W Marines that combine the attributes of both would have produced a far better army

If GW is going to come out with a new Marine Codex, I'd hope they'd just hurry up and rip off the Band-Aid and just have Primaris Marines with Standard Marine options

-

See, you say that. But the LAST time GW upended a major part of their product line overnight like that, people put up youtube videos of them burning almost 1000$ of Dark Aelves on youtube. Also just...so many death threats. Oh, and it almost entirely tanked the company until new management decided to go the 'New GW' route.

ERJAK wrote:
See, you say that. But the LAST time GW upended a major part of their product line overnight like that, people put up youtube videos of them burning almost 1000$ of Dark Aelves on youtube. Also just...so many death threats. Oh, and it almost entirely tanked the company until new management decided to go the 'New GW' route.

I think you, like many people online, grossly overestimate how much companies care about - or are even aware of - Internet forum angst.

GW doesn’t care about people burning their armies. They only start to care if the quality of the product drops far enough to damage sales figures. Everything else is fascinating, but irrelevant.

kombatwombat wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
See, you say that. But the LAST time GW upended a major part of their product line overnight like that, people put up youtube videos of them burning almost 1000$ of Dark Aelves on youtube. Also just...so many death threats. Oh, and it almost entirely tanked the company until new management decided to go the 'New GW' route.

I think you, like many people online, grossly overestimate how much companies care about - or are even aware of - Internet forum angst.

GW doesn’t care about people burning their armies. They only start to care if the quality of the product drops far enough to damage sales figures. Everything else is fascinating, but irrelevant.

kombatwombat wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
See, you say that. But the LAST time GW upended a major part of their product line overnight like that, people put up youtube videos of them burning almost 1000$ of Dark Aelves on youtube. Also just...so many death threats. Oh, and it almost entirely tanked the company until new management decided to go the 'New GW' route.

I think you, like many people online, grossly overestimate how much companies care about - or are even aware of - Internet forum angst.

GW doesn’t care about people burning their armies. They only start to care if the quality of the product drops far enough to damage sales figures. Everything else is fascinating, but irrelevant.

Why should they care if you already burnt your investment. If you are that angry that you would destroy your own stuff, maybe you should go seek psychiatric help. It makes literally zero sense to do something that will effect the object of your hate for naught.
I hadn't purchased anything from GW in almost 25yrs, 8th came out and changed my mind. So maybe they're doing something right, as I'm not the only recent "returnee" and everyone I speak with has the same feeling. GW is doing right by both the models and gameplay, i just wish they had taken their time with the primaris. It outta been either fast(RIP bandaid off) or drawn out longer than the current plan. Either or, not both, like they're currently doing.

 Irbis wrote:

 John Prins wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
The marine codex has too many data slates as it is, no way they flesh out the primaris line and keep it attached to the old stuff.

How would they fluff justify separate army lists when they're already integrated?

Simple. Codex: Ultima Founding. Give all 12 chapter traits in the book, all primaris units, plus some SM units that would make sense in primaris chapter, add a table with unique wargear options for infantry leaders under the relics of each chapter, boom, you're done. Easily fits under standard Codex size.

I'd forgotten about the Ultima Founding. Still all the units would be available to regular marine armies, because SALES REASONS. More Chapter Tactics would be welcome, however.

kombatwombat wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
See, you say that. But the LAST time GW upended a major part of their product line overnight like that, people put up youtube videos of them burning almost 1000$ of Dark Aelves on youtube. Also just...so many death threats. Oh, and it almost entirely tanked the company until new management decided to go the 'New GW' route.

I think you, like many people online, grossly overestimate how much companies care about - or are even aware of - Internet forum angst.

GW doesn’t care about people burning their armies. They only start to care if the quality of the product drops far enough to damage sales figures. Everything else is fascinating, but irrelevant.

Which is why you should read the WHOLE sentence before you respond. See that part about tanking the company? Yeah, see that wasn't because of youtube videos. That was because people flat out rejected AoS when it was released and it was selling like snow-cones in an ice storm. This combined with the fact that 7th edition 40k was starting to flounder is the ENTIRE reason why they have the 'new GW' thing they've been doing.

I think YOU underestimate how much that whole issue WASN'T just forum angst. Personally, I think if they don't release the GHB for Sigmar, GW may well have been dying a slow death at this point, rather than being the basically the only company in England not tanking from Brexit.


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Racerguy180 wrote:

kombatwombat wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
See, you say that. But the LAST time GW upended a major part of their product line overnight like that, people put up youtube videos of them burning almost 1000$ of Dark Aelves on youtube. Also just...so many death threats. Oh, and it almost entirely tanked the company until new management decided to go the 'New GW' route.

I think you, like many people online, grossly overestimate how much companies care about - or are even aware of - Internet forum angst.

GW doesn’t care about people burning their armies. They only start to care if the quality of the product drops far enough to damage sales figures. Everything else is fascinating, but irrelevant.

kombatwombat wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
See, you say that. But the LAST time GW upended a major part of their product line overnight like that, people put up youtube videos of them burning almost 1000$ of Dark Aelves on youtube. Also just...so many death threats. Oh, and it almost entirely tanked the company until new management decided to go the 'New GW' route.

I think you, like many people online, grossly overestimate how much companies care about - or are even aware of - Internet forum angst.

GW doesn’t care about people burning their armies. They only start to care if the quality of the product drops far enough to damage sales figures. Everything else is fascinating, but irrelevant.

Why should they care if you already burnt your investment. If you are that angry that you would destroy your own stuff, maybe you should go seek psychiatric help. It makes literally zero sense to do something that will effect the object of your hate for naught.
I hadn't purchased anything from GW in almost 25yrs, 8th came out and changed my mind. So maybe they're doing something right, as I'm not the only recent "returnee" and everyone I speak with has the same feeling. GW is doing right by both the models and gameplay, i just wish they had taken their time with the primaris. It outta been either fast(RIP bandaid off) or drawn out longer than the current plan. Either or, not both, like they're currently doing.

They're doing pretty well now. I would say 'right' is a bit of a reach, but no worse than any other major corporation.

And the thing with the army burning isn't about the literal burning of the army. It's a symbolic codification of what the vast majority of the WHFB community was feeling at that time. People who played WHFB rejected AoS violently on release and the system didn't have any real inroads to other markets. There was barely any fluff, the models were gorgeous but hilariously overpriced, and the system was non-functional. They bet the farm on AoS and were on the verge of losing right up until the GHB came out.

They learned there that the slow drip is easier. That's the main point. If you give people a couple of new things that shake up the status quo at a time, they'll grumble but they'll likely get over it. If you flip the table on them they might just leave. THAT was the lesson they took from the launch of AoS. And it has been a very slow drip. It's been a solid year and a half since Primaris dropped and we've barely got the skeleton of an army. There are more different lieutenant sculpts than there are full primaris units. If they go any slower they'll be going backwards.

hm... I just thought of something. Those Primaris scale power fists, I wonder if they'd be large enough, and look right, for Custodes Solarite Gauntlets. Might be handy if that FW Talons book ever comes out.

Is it true that GW has endcapped prior editions with a marine codex refresh? Or could this be a sign that they will refresh or add content to other factions as well drawing out the life of 8th?

 Ysclyth wrote:
Is it true that GW has endcapped prior editions with a marine codex refresh? Or could this be a sign that they will refresh or add content to other factions as well drawing out the life of 8th?

There have been instances of GW releasing two codex's for the same faction in the same edition. In 3rd edition they did it with Chaos, Imperial Guard, and I think Space Marines. And the Chaos Mk2 codex had 4 different printings with 4 slightly different wordings. The only way to tell them apart was to look for the publishing date inside the cover and use the newest one.

GW could release a SM primaris codex, separating primaris SM from regular SM.

They could, but they've given themselves the problem that all the chapters have had Primeris reinforcements, so the demand would be for codex blue primeris, codex wolfy primeris, codex hooded primeris etc

 cuda1179 wrote:


There have been instances of GW releasing two codex's for the same faction in the same edition. In 3rd edition they did it with Chaos, Imperial Guard, and I think Space Marines. And the Chaos Mk2 codex had 4 different printings with 4 slightly different wordings. The only way to tell them apart was to look for the publishing date inside the cover and use the newest one.

Pretty sure they did it with Tau last edition, too? They just changed the colour of the battlesuit on the cover or its plasma blast or something.

Honestly it's kind of annoying when they do this and re-use cover art.

 Kawauso wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:


There have been instances of GW releasing two codex's for the same faction in the same edition. In 3rd edition they did it with Chaos, Imperial Guard, and I think Space Marines. And the Chaos Mk2 codex had 4 different printings with 4 slightly different wordings. The only way to tell them apart was to look for the publishing date inside the cover and use the newest one.

Pretty sure they did it with Tau last edition, too? They just changed the colour of the battlesuit on the cover or its plasma blast or something.

Honestly it's kind of annoying when they do this and re-use cover art.

Technically no. Tau had a 6e codex that was updated with a 7e codex.