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 Just Tony wrote:
3rd Edition was the best edition. Fairly sure this is unpopular for the most part.

3rd and 4th are the real golden age

See, for me 3rd and 4th are why I quit playing 40K...but that's the beauty of opinions and options.

Unpopular opinion:

GW should stop tailoring 40k towards 1500pt and below armies, and start rewarding people who want to field larger games. 40k is a battle game, if you want small skirmishes, play killteam or a small skirmish game.

Another: Imperial Knights are a cool compromise for the large number of us who love titan type models, and want to find a way to practically field them. People who want them nerf batted or eliminated need to think about how they would feel if their favorite armies suddenly got axed because IK players don't like them.

Oh, and re-casters should be seen as the winds of change. Either forgeworld is going to pull it's head out and release models people can afford, or they will go out of business.

txaggieof08 wrote:
Unpopular opinion:

GW should stop tailoring 40k towards 1500pt and below armies, and start rewarding people who want to field larger games. 40k is a battle game, if you want small skirmishes, play killteam or a small skirmish game.

That's an extremely unpopular opinion, considering GW has said themselves that they are tailoring the game for 2k point armies, and every decision they make has reflected this.

I love narrative-based games. (though I tend to play matched play; what's the difference anyhow?) In fact I love the game regardless of whether or not I win. I've seen some people 'disbelieve' that people like me are genuine about that, and MAN does that bother me. I should know how I like to spend my evening.

I also enjoy AoS, both crunch and fluff. The flat-worlds can be a bit tongue-in-cheek but I believe they help in capturing the sense of scale 40k has, which I think GW was trying to accomplish.

The Gladius formation was well balanced.

Matt Ward was the best thing to ever happen to 40k.



Ok, now I'm just trolling...

Sir Heckington wrote:
Another potentially? unpopular opinion: The number of codices should be reduced. BA, SW, and DA need to be folded into regular SM, DW/GK need to be folded into Inquisition, and TS/DG need to be folded into CSM.

As a Dark Angels player, I argued strongly against this proposal when I first encountered it, but since then, I think I'm actually slowly starting to come around to the idea.

 Ginjitzu wrote:
The Gladius formation was well balanced.

Matt Ward was the best thing to ever happen to 40k.



Ok, now I'm just trolling...

Sir Heckington wrote:
Another potentially? unpopular opinion: The number of codices should be reduced. BA, SW, and DA need to be folded into regular SM, DW/GK need to be folded into Inquisition, and TS/DG need to be folded into CSM.

As a Dark Angels player, I argued strongly against this proposal when I first encountered it, but since then, I think I'm actually slowly starting to come around to the idea.

To be fair, nobody will miss the flyers. The only real unique units to keep would be the Ravenwing and Deathwing Knights, and the Speeder variants. Oh and the characters of course.

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:

 Ginjitzu wrote:
Warhammer 40,000 is a casual game that has been invaded by competitive gamers.

And it's lore has been invaded by people who take it seriously.


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 Techpriestsupport wrote:
There should be rules about people excessively farting at game tables....

If this is unpopular I'm not sure I want to hang around. Or is this another one of those competitive strats where you assert board control using non-conventional tactics?

Some people consider it a victory if they go to an all you can eat Mexican restaurant before the game then let one that drops the other guy.

There's this version too

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Ginjitzu wrote:

Sir Heckington wrote:
Another potentially? unpopular opinion: The number of codices should be reduced. BA, SW, and DA need to be folded into regular SM, DW/GK need to be folded into Inquisition, and TS/DG need to be folded into CSM.

As a Dark Angels player, I argued strongly against this proposal when I first encountered it, but since then, I think I'm actually slowly starting to come around to the idea.

To be fair, nobody will miss the flyers. The only real unique units to keep would be the Ravenwing and Deathwing Knights, and the Speeder variants. Oh and the characters of course.

Potentially unpopular opinion: Dark Angels and Blood Angels are Codex-Compliant Chapters. It was a bad decision to give them their own books and then try to justify the books’ existence by padding them with contrived units nobody asked for, which ultimately strangled the life out of a potential updated book for a fan-favourite non-Codex-Compliant Chapter that actually had the potential to be substantially distinct from the core Marine Codex.


Imperial Knights are the worst thing to happen to the ‘feel’ of 40k in the history of the game, by normalising superhero models in everyday games rather than once-in-a-blue-moon megabattles. They ultimately turned the game from a skirmish-level game into ‘who can spend the most money on the biggest model and win?’. By letting a whole army of them be legal, the cat has been let out of the bag and we will never again see skirmish-style 40k because people would have their Gundam-bots invalidated.


The Big One:

If you could not play a game with templates, scatter die, facings and firing arcs like a mature adult without squabbling over toy soldiers rather than just getting on with having fun, you are the lowest common denominator.

Most Ork players are riding the reputation of a small and friendly community. The rest are just as annoying as the race they play.

kombatwombat wrote:

Potentially unpopular opinion: Dark Angels and Blood Angels are Codex-Compliant Chapters. It was a bad decision to give them their own books and then try to justify the books’ existence by padding them with contrived units nobody asked for, which ultimately strangled the life out of a potential updated book for a fan-favourite non-Codex-Compliant Chapter that actually had the potential to be substantially distinct from the core Marine Codex.

Is there a particular chapter you're hinting at here? Templars maybe?

kombatwombat wrote:

Imperial Knights are the worst thing to happen to the ‘feel’ of 40k in the history of the game, by normalising superhero models in everyday games rather than once-in-a-blue-moon megabattles. They ultimately turned the game from a skirmish-level game into ‘who can spend the most money on the biggest model and win?’. By letting a whole army of them be legal, the cat has been let out of the bag and we will never again see skirmish-style 40k because people would have their Gundam-bots invalidated.

Yes.

kombatwombat wrote:

The Big One:

If you could not play a game with templates, scatter die, facings and firing arcs like a mature adult without squabbling over toy soldiers rather than just getting on with having fun, you are the lowest common denominator.

I actually prefer the game without those things, but you're 100% right about there being no excuse for squabbling. People often ridicule the "most important rule" as simply Games-Workshop's get-out-of-jail-free card for lazy rules writing, but it really is the single most important factor to consider in any game. Regardless of one's opinion on whether competitive or casual is the "right" way to play, if everyone's not having fun, then the purpose of the game is defeated.

 Frontline989 wrote:
Most of the Space Marine recruitment methods make no sense. With the number of casualties they suffer and drawing from a single chapter world they would not be able to keep up with the attrition.

Edit: Additiionally the length of time some of the Space Marine Chapter Masters have lived is ludicrously long in a setting of constant warfare agaisnst such excessively dangerous foes.

Most campaigns a Chapter is involved in will only incur a minor amount of casualties and maybe a couple fatalities at most. Where are you getting the idea that they're constantly bogged down in attrition?

I've got another opinion that makes me sound like a hobby snob (which I guess I am)

Peoples inability to control their plastic purchases is a serious problem and not funny or cute or a good meme.

People not finishing stuff is rarely people enjoying the hobby their way, its more often them struggling to manage their hobby. I'm actually fine with people who say 'screw painting' and never even bother, they are actually enjoying the hobby the way they want. But a large chunk of people I know buy everything with every intention to finish it, with ideas in their head for colour schemes, army builds etc. and just never finish it before moving onto the next thing. And so almost every battle I EVER see is armies of 50% grey, 25% primed and 25% half painted stuff. Deep down a lot of people are actually deeply unsatisfied with that situation too, they just cannot control their purchases.

kombatwombat wrote:
The Big One:

If you could not play a game with templates, scatter die, facings and firing arcs like a mature adult without squabbling over toy soldiers rather than just getting on with having fun, you are the lowest common denominator.

Here's the kicker with that argument: if two people disagree on firing arcs, then who's the "mature adult" and who's "squabbling over toy soldiers"? I'm sure you're not going to relent every time someone tells you that you set up your template improperly.

Brad Gamma wrote:
I've got another opinion that makes me sound like a hobby snob (which I guess I am)

Peoples inability to control their plastic purchases is a serious problem and not funny or cute or a good meme.

People not finishing stuff is rarely people enjoying the hobby their way, its more often them struggling to manage their hobby. I'm actually fine with people who say 'screw painting' and never even bother, they are actually enjoying the hobby the way they want. But a large chunk of people I know buy everything with every intention to finish it, with ideas in their head for colour schemes, army builds etc. and just never finish it before moving onto the next thing. And so almost every battle I EVER see is armies of 50% grey, 25% primed and 25% half painted stuff. Deep down a lot of people are actually deeply unsatisfied with that situation too, they just cannot control their purchases.

Speaking as someone whose army is generally around 90% painted, I think you just have a very different definition of “serious problem” than most people who spend their free time and money playing with little army men.

HuskyWarhammer wrote:

Brad Gamma wrote:
I've got another opinion that makes me sound like a hobby snob (which I guess I am)

Peoples inability to control their plastic purchases is a serious problem and not funny or cute or a good meme.

People not finishing stuff is rarely people enjoying the hobby their way, its more often them struggling to manage their hobby. I'm actually fine with people who say 'screw painting' and never even bother, they are actually enjoying the hobby the way they want. But a large chunk of people I know buy everything with every intention to finish it, with ideas in their head for colour schemes, army builds etc. and just never finish it before moving onto the next thing. And so almost every battle I EVER see is armies of 50% grey, 25% primed and 25% half painted stuff. Deep down a lot of people are actually deeply unsatisfied with that situation too, they just cannot control their purchases.

Speaking as someone whose army is generally around 90% painted, I think you just have a very different definition of “serious problem” than most people who spend their free time and money playing with little army men.

I mean in the context of the hobby, probably could have worded it better. Like if I said that true line of sight was a serious problem, I don't mean its more serious than climate change or something.

However it is one of the few ways in which this hobby can stop being about little army men and becomes a financial issue for some people. This stuff is not cheap when you are addicted to the rush of purchasing something new, especially with the drip feed of new releases. I know several people who spend hundreds if not thousands of pounds on stuff that never gets finished or sees the table. Is that not a far bigger problem than something like, whether soup is good for balance?

Plus, as has been stated several times in this thread, posting here is acknowledgement that your opinion is unpopular.

kombatwombat wrote:
...normalising superhero models in everyday games rather than once-in-a-blue-moon megabattles.

Well, RE-normalising anyway. 2nd edition is called herohammer for a reason. It was pretty much Calgar/Ghaz/Abaddon or whatever with a couple of squads helping them out.

Two progenoids per marine doesn't work. Given the casualties and failure rates 2 per marine period would not work.

Also, the angry marines should be released by gw as an official chapter using their established history and characters.

If we assume Progenoids can only be harvested the once

Not sure if the background is clear either way on that one. Would make sense if it's something that's harvested periodically throughout a Marine's service. Also means Apothecaries are more emergency surgery for it, rather than the standard means.

We know that places keep stores of geneseed to create new chapters or backup current ones. I think that these "stores" may be a bit more grimdark than people are assuming.

Ginjitzu wrote:Is there a particular chapter you're hinting at here? Templars maybe?

I actually prefer the game without those things, but you're 100% right about there being no excuse for squabbling. People often ridicule the "most important rule" as simply Games-Workshop's get-out-of-jail-free card for lazy rules writing, but it really is the single most important factor to consider in any game. Regardless of one's opinion on whether competitive or casual is the "right" way to play, if everyone's not having fun, then the purpose of the game is defeated.

It should be obvious I’m referring to Templars, otherwise I didn’t say it with enough ZEAL!

If you prefer it because you prefer a more abstract but faster game to a more cinematic but slower one (though the speed difference has been cut dramatically by screening for 9” Deep Strike), I think you’re wrong but respect your opinion. If you prefer it because it saves you having arguments in a game that’s supposed to be fun, I think less of you as a person.

Arachnofiend wrote:Here's the kicker with that argument: if two people disagree on firing arcs, then who's the "mature adult" and who's "squabbling over toy soldiers"? I'm sure you're not going to relent every time someone tells you that you set up your template improperly.

The mature one is the first to say either ‘yeah go on mate, you have it’ or ‘how about we just roll a 4+ for it?’. The other person meets their level of maturity by saying ‘thank you, that’s most gracious of you’ and giving them the benefit of the doubt next time there’s a conflict, or ‘sure thing, keeps the game moving’ respectively. This stuff isn’t hard.

kombatwombat wrote:

Arachnofiend wrote:Here's the kicker with that argument: if two people disagree on firing arcs, then who's the "mature adult" and who's "squabbling over toy soldiers"? I'm sure you're not going to relent every time someone tells you that you set up your template improperly.

The mature one is the first to say either ‘yeah go on mate, you have it’ or ‘how about we just roll a 4+ for it?’. The other person meets their level of maturity by saying ‘thank you, that’s most gracious of you’ and giving them the benefit of the doubt next time there’s a conflict, or ‘sure thing, keeps the game moving’ respectively. This stuff isn’t hard.

What if they decline to 4+ over it? Whatever. I'd say the immature person in this scenario is the person who thinks attempting to resolving a measurement dispute accurately and fairly is some crime.

HuskyWarhammer wrote:

Brad Gamma wrote:
I've got another opinion that makes me sound like a hobby snob (which I guess I am)

Peoples inability to control their plastic purchases is a serious problem and not funny or cute or a good meme.

People not finishing stuff is rarely people enjoying the hobby their way, its more often them struggling to manage their hobby. I'm actually fine with people who say 'screw painting' and never even bother, they are actually enjoying the hobby the way they want. But a large chunk of people I know buy everything with every intention to finish it, with ideas in their head for colour schemes, army builds etc. and just never finish it before moving onto the next thing. And so almost every battle I EVER see is armies of 50% grey, 25% primed and 25% half painted stuff. Deep down a lot of people are actually deeply unsatisfied with that situation too, they just cannot control their purchases.

Speaking as someone whose army is generally around 90% painted, I think you just have a very different definition of “serious problem” than most people who spend their free time and money playing with little army men.

No, honestly, I've had to interact with a lot of people for whom addiction to buying miniatures is a serious problem that affects their lives. There's a poor guy who comes in every once in a while who's completely addicted to ebay, spends thousands of dollars on minis that he believes to be "a great deal, can't pass it up!" then when his wife basically tells him that they have to go, he comes in to the local shop and gives them to people. Then he just goes and buys it all up again. It's the most extreme case, but you can always tell the guys who have a problem, buying armies 1000 points at a time, having 60,000 points of one faction for no reason at all, buying things basically just to get that "new thing" feeling with no plan to even build the stuff.

Here's my unpopular opinion I guess:

If you spend the time to build and paint your miniatures as well as play games with them, 40k is a highly financially efficient hobby compared to most other hobbies pursued by adults, and its "super-expensive" reputation is largely based on its appeal to younger players who are used to getting things like video games/toys for free from their parents. If they understood how much the giant bin of legos they played with as a younger kid actually cost their parents over the years, they would not be complaining about a 40$ box of miniatures.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Sir Heckington wrote:
Ah. Misread you. I got ya.

Another potentially? unpopular opinion: The number of codices should be reduced. BA, SW, and DA need to be folded into regular SM, DW/GK need to be folded into Inquisition, and TS/DG need to be folded into CSM.

I'm in agreement with the Loyalist Scum needing to be rolled into the Vanilla codex (I've even proposed how for the Angels but Wolves need more work), but it would be significantly harder to bring Thousand Sons and Death Guard into the fold, especially when we have supposed new books for the other Cult legions AND Black Legion.

Easy. Every Chapter/Legion should get a few unique units. Iron Hands should have Gorgon Terminators, Medusan Immortals and Iron Fathers ect. The marks should do enough to make up for the lost of the codex, and beastmen should be rolled into the Lost and the damned dex, with TS giving them the option to borrow some.

Brad Gamma wrote:
I've got another opinion that makes me sound like a hobby snob (which I guess I am)

Peoples inability to control their plastic purchases is a serious problem and not funny or cute or a good meme.

People not finishing stuff is rarely people enjoying the hobby their way, its more often them struggling to manage their hobby. I'm actually fine with people who say 'screw painting' and never even bother, they are actually enjoying the hobby the way they want. But a large chunk of people I know buy everything with every intention to finish it, with ideas in their head for colour schemes, army builds etc. and just never finish it before moving onto the next thing. And so almost every battle I EVER see is armies of 50% grey, 25% primed and 25% half painted stuff. Deep down a lot of people are actually deeply unsatisfied with that situation too, they just cannot control their purchases.

In my gaming group we now started a series of 1000point tournaments every 3-4 months, where you are supposed to bring a fully painted army. It really helps, everybody is busy painting their stuff. It's really important to set doable goals, especially when you reached a point where you have a pile of grey plastic where you don't know with what to start.

Unpopular opinion?

With their measly 1000 Marines per chapter and 1Mio. Marines in the whole galaxy Space Marines are actually a more irrelevant faction fluffwise than even Tau. Yet 90% of the fluff is about them.

Unpopular Opinion:

I like 8th edition.

The return of Primarchs was inevitable and necessary.

You cannot up the stakes without these big boys returning to the fray. They're too iconic, and they suit an End Times vibe of the 'Old Gods' returning to the fray.

Also? It's clear that The Heresy Never Ended. Terra was pivotal, sure. But the Traitors never gave up. Only withdrew and came up with new plans.

ITC missions might be balanced but are arguably the least fun way to play the game I've come across.

Sir Heckington wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Sir Heckington wrote:
Ah. Misread you. I got ya.

Another potentially? unpopular opinion: The number of codices should be reduced. BA, SW, and DA need to be folded into regular SM, DW/GK need to be folded into Inquisition, and TS/DG need to be folded into CSM.

I'm in agreement with the Loyalist Scum needing to be rolled into the Vanilla codex (I've even proposed how for the Angels but Wolves need more work), but it would be significantly harder to bring Thousand Sons and Death Guard into the fold, especially when we have supposed new books for the other Cult legions AND Black Legion.

Easy. Every Chapter/Legion should get a few unique units. Iron Hands should have Gorgon Terminators, Medusan Immortals and Iron Fathers ect. The marks should do enough to make up for the lost of the codex, and beastmen should be rolled into the Lost and the damned dex, with TS giving them the option to borrow some.

Excellent idea. CSM chapters should too. Give Iron Warriors their conjoined Rhinos and Vindicator patterns for example

 SHUPPET wrote:

Sir Heckington wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Sir Heckington wrote:
Ah. Misread you. I got ya.

Another potentially? unpopular opinion: The number of codices should be reduced. BA, SW, and DA need to be folded into regular SM, DW/GK need to be folded into Inquisition, and TS/DG need to be folded into CSM.

I'm in agreement with the Loyalist Scum needing to be rolled into the Vanilla codex (I've even proposed how for the Angels but Wolves need more work), but it would be significantly harder to bring Thousand Sons and Death Guard into the fold, especially when we have supposed new books for the other Cult legions AND Black Legion.

Easy. Every Chapter/Legion should get a few unique units. Iron Hands should have Gorgon Terminators, Medusan Immortals and Iron Fathers ect. The marks should do enough to make up for the lost of the codex, and beastmen should be rolled into the Lost and the damned dex, with TS giving them the option to borrow some.

Excellent idea. CSM chapters should too. Give Iron Warriors their conjoined Rhinos and Vindicator patterns for example

Yep yep. Meant that by legions. Though It'd be harder, I'd like to see this for all faction traits if possible. It'd take alot more work, as many subfactions arent as different than others, but I think it can be done.