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Some decent changes for Thousand Sons. Lots of rumors were total bs as usual.

I am sort of beside myself, however, that Cultists are 5, but IS and mortars are not even touched.

Ooohhh baby! Melta and plasma down! Taurox Primes and their gear down! Grenade launchers and flamers down! Oooooh baby!

Where are you seeing IG leaks?

Is there anything else other than the Imgur leaks? Sadly none of the factions I play made it into those 4 pages

Sauce Links pls

I'm not doubting anyone. Just want to see with mine own eyes

Everything except FW.

https://imgur.com/gallery/YsUf9K9

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Everything except FW.

https://imgur.com/gallery/YsUf9K9

I think it's still missing a couple things. I see Grey Knight Wargear but not units, and I don't see generic space marines... Unless I'm missing something?

Edit: Actually I some of the space marines but they look like they were cut off... either that or Tac squads didn't get changed

No changes to Infantry Squads and Mortars is BS, also Imperial Knights left UNTOUCHED.

What a fail

KurtAngle2 wrote:
No changes to Infantry Squads and Mortars is BS, also Imperial Knights left UNTOUCHED.

What a fail

Actually made cheaper...stubbers and melta went down.

In general everything that was not seeing any play was buffed, while competitive choices stood as they were (except for a nerf here and there).

I can live with it.

I'm in genuine awe of those that can parse reductions and other changes just by reading the info.

Time was I could, but it is not the case these days!

Spoletta wrote:
In general everything that was not seeing any play was buffed, while competitive choices stood as they were (except for a nerf here and there).

I can live with it.

Yes - at the end of the day the things giving me trouble didn't get cheaper, but my stuff did. It's a win overall, but a sad day for regular CSM. Why would you not pay 1 point extra for Chosen?

Tervigon at 180... Was kinda hoping cheaper since it's still virtually never worth its equivalent in just gaunts.

Craftworld Eldar changes have me a mixed bag. on one hand yay Dire Avengers (one of my fave!) and Wraith/war walker untis are cheaper.


also the game DID NOT need cheaper plasma?! If anything it should go up in points!!!!

*Cries in Tyranid and Chaos Daemon*

Well still have to live in suprise of GK units costs, but a cheaper special weapon and free normal weapons seem cool


Although the drop in poins of plasma weapons makes me wonder if they switched the numbers with melta cost.

@Karol: https://imgur.com/gallery/d8Ae4TN

I wanted my Vanquisher Cannons to be good at killing tanks again (at least better than the regular Battle Cannon), but all I got was another point reduction.

If they know it's underperforming, why can't they just buff it?

Bharring wrote:
@Karol: https://imgur.com/gallery/d8Ae4TN

ok thanks man. LoL interceptors costing the same as strikes and 39 termintors when other armies get theirs for 23.

Sweeping points cuts to my thousand boyz, no tzangors price hike. Not too shabby.

Almost surprised to see no ork adjustments, but that's fine too. Can't say I can complain about ork points at the moment, except for maybe boyz.

Karol wrote:

Bharring wrote:
@Karol: https://imgur.com/gallery/d8Ae4TN

ok thanks man. LoL interceptors costing the same as strikes and 39 termintors when other armies get theirs for 23.

Massive cuts on characters. Draigo is only 180, which is a steal. Psilencers and psycannons cut in half. GK termies still have force weapons. Not sure why CSM termies are 28 and loyalist are 23 though.

Karol wrote:

Bharring wrote:
@Karol: https://imgur.com/gallery/d8Ae4TN

ok thanks man. LoL interceptors costing the same as strikes and 39 termintors when other armies get theirs for 23.

Is this what winning feels like?

Maybe the updated datasheets will throw us a bone. (Not holding my breath)

As a Tau and Rnh Player.

Crisis suits down to 27, DAMN this is amazing. Love it.

As an RnH player. Our militia still cost the same as guardsmen fething A, and even CA contains feth-ups for us. Our BS5+ squads technically don't get the 7 point plasma, but the 11 point.

Can anyone confirm the cost of Eldar Windriders? The leaked picture is annoyingly blurred just on their points. I can't tell if they are 15,16 or 18pts. I assume it's not 18 since that is their current cost.

At any rate, Spears are 24 and Twin cats went down to 2ppm (which affect all bikes and tanks)
That makes the final cost of Spears 34ppm and Windriders with Twin-cats 17-18. Spears are still better but my Widriders might see the table again


I also doesn't appear that Heavy Wraithcannons went down at all, but the Suncannon did.
HWC WK therefore is 415pts without shoulder guns (or an invul)
Suncannon/Shield WK is 405 without shoulder guns

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 Daedalus81 wrote:

Karol wrote:

Bharring wrote:
@Karol: https://imgur.com/gallery/d8Ae4TN

ok thanks man. LoL interceptors costing the same as strikes and 39 termintors when other armies get theirs for 23.

Massive cuts on characters. Draigo is only 180, which is a steal. Psilencers and psycannons cut in half. GK termies still have force weapons. Not sure why CSM termies are 28 and loyalist are 23 though.

I see that, but considering strikes and termintors and everything else was overcosted before and they now price right 2-3 HQ model per army, the drop is going to be felt a lot less then having 23 pts costed termintors. I mean even if they turn in to 30pts like the tzeench termintors there is still a 9pts gap between them and the GK ones.
The tzeench ones have good guns, and good survivability without stormshields.

I mean it is as if they sat down, checked what is the highest priced kit for a GK player to get and lowered the points of those. I am probablly salty now, I would like the changes more, if other factions didn't get significant points drops. Seems like for GK the post CA games are going to look the same only now they are going to have to buy more models to play 2000pts.

Cultists go up in cost and Guardsmen are untouched.

Unreal.

The Skitarii Arquebus went down to 15. That's even more than I hoped for. That means a total of 115 for ten Rangers with 3 snipers.

Honestly as someone who loves Skitarii I almost shed a tear.

Shame the big boys like Titans aren't getting the price cut they needed. I know they're a bit out of scale for a 40k game, but they're just too overcosted for what they bring to the table.

Same with Custodes, the FW units for them are overwhelmingly overpriced (60pts for a Telemon CCW, then another 60pts for the mandatory Plasma/Flamer?) and yet no change there either?

So much went down in points that anything that stayed the same has effectively been increased. It's like some weird form of reverse inflation.

It seems completely mental to me that plasma guns have got cheaper, and melta guns are *still* more expensive than them.

Also strikes me as very weird that Cultists have gone up to 5ppm but Guardsmen have stayed at 4.

Karol wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Karol wrote:

Bharring wrote:
@Karol: https://imgur.com/gallery/d8Ae4TN

ok thanks man. LoL interceptors costing the same as strikes and 39 termintors when other armies get theirs for 23.

Massive cuts on characters. Draigo is only 180, which is a steal. Psilencers and psycannons cut in half. GK termies still have force weapons. Not sure why CSM termies are 28 and loyalist are 23 though.

I see that, but considering strikes and termintors and everything else was overcosted before and they now price right 2-3 HQ model per army, the drop is going to be felt a lot less then having 23 pts costed termintors. I mean even if they turn in to 30pts like the tzeench termintors there is still a 9pts gap between them and the GK ones.
The tzeench ones have good guns, and good survivability without stormshields.

I mean it is as if they sat down, checked what is the highest priced kit for a GK player to get and lowered the points of those. I am probablly salty now, I would like the changes more, if other factions didn't get significant points drops. Seems like for GK the post CA games are going to look the same only now they are going to have to buy more models to play 2000pts.

SoTs are now 34 points with their sword - before guns. That means you're paying 5 points for the force weapon upgrade, which is roughly inline with what force weapons cost.

Gk did need a 5% reduction in overall army cost. They needed about a 30% reduction.

180 point draigo...okay - now hes auto include - that is basically the only change that matters.