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Not Online!!! wrote:
Honestly, the deployment shenanigans for Alpha Legion singlehandedly make them the most interesting imo in conjunction with ambush and the additional warlord trait.

The strongest I dunno but interesting for turning the faction on ist head.

Someone else said this, but (and this might just be me being bad at the game) I'm not seeing the huge value in being able to redeploy in the deployment zone. Sure, there are things you can do with it against an unwary opponent, such as making them put all their gunlines in one corner and then moving your units out of the gun lines... but most boards don't really let that kind of thing happen anyway.

Seems like you'd get a lot more value out of a -3 to hit warlord, or a smash-lord with mortals on 6's and ability to snipe. Or being able to teleport your warlord behind enemy lines. Actually all of those sound pretty cool haha.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 small_gods wrote:

 grouchoben wrote:
Very interesting developments for AL Discolords and Oblits. Both get a huge defensive buff: A single Disco can now hit -3 to hit that can't be stopped (trait, native and DA prayer). That's getting close to AL being able to drop the pack mentality and run a single Disco instead of 2-3, which is a huge difference.

Oblits can't be targeted T1, and now when they drop can count as characters, for all intents and purposes, for 2cp. That's a huge buff. Combined with AL DS denial and movement shenanigans, I can foresee AL lists making it very hard to be defanged. That is the primary letdown of CSM afterall, so this could be big news.

Definately thinking that AL havocks and oblits have a lot more oprions now. Really like the sniper bike lord too. He can reliably plink characters off whilst being fairly resilient to sniping himself and if he gets tarpitted can fall back and shoot for 1cp!

Terminator Alpha Lord with the Combi Relic I guess for always shooting in full effect too? I dunno.

Terminator or biker lord, Terminator for guarteed shots, biker for an extra combi botler!

Ist's cool and that's the point Imo, better cool rules for specific uses and archetypes then broken bs that so many of the recent marine supplements were.

Also honorable mentions, WB, because they sonehow made them interesting


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 small_gods wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 small_gods wrote:

 grouchoben wrote:
Very interesting developments for AL Discolords and Oblits. Both get a huge defensive buff: A single Disco can now hit -3 to hit that can't be stopped (trait, native and DA prayer). That's getting close to AL being able to drop the pack mentality and run a single Disco instead of 2-3, which is a huge difference.

Oblits can't be targeted T1, and now when they drop can count as characters, for all intents and purposes, for 2cp. That's a huge buff. Combined with AL DS denial and movement shenanigans, I can foresee AL lists making it very hard to be defanged. That is the primary letdown of CSM afterall, so this could be big news.

Definately thinking that AL havocks and oblits have a lot more oprions now. Really like the sniper bike lord too. He can reliably plink characters off whilst being fairly resilient to sniping himself and if he gets tarpitted can fall back and shoot for 1cp!

Terminator Alpha Lord with the Combi Relic I guess for always shooting in full effect too? I dunno.

Terminator or biker lord, Terminator for guarteed shots, biker for an extra combi botler!

Do we know how it affects combi weapons yet?

According to the previews here: https://www.goonhammer.com/psychic-awakening-ii-faith-and-fury-review-part-1-chaos/

It works on all ranged weapons so you could use a LD with baleflamer or chaos hellwright on dark abberant if you want to get close 3 high stength shots and a flamer is pretty funny.

But bike lord gets 1.5 mortal wounds without the relic bolter!

Biker lord wins it imo - great great movement, pip of toughness, and most importantly 8 chances out to 24" to proc the extra mortal wound on a natural hit of 6. He's legitimately scary to characters, and that's exactly what lists need to have a hope in hell of beating SM armies...

oof word bearers smash apostle are looking possible. Take the double prayer buff, cast omen of potency and the khorne prayer and give them the cursed crozius. Enjoy 7 str8 -4ap dmg3 attacks, rerolling wounds against imperium. Sprinkle with a warlord trait and maybe the possessed strat too for a savage melee hq

And then you realize Dark Apostles are scared to be on Bikes or Jump Packs, and then nothing happens!

 WinterLantern wrote:
oof word bearers smash apostle are looking possible. Take the double prayer buff, cast omen of potency and the khorne prayer and give them the cursed crozius. Enjoy 7 str8 -4ap dmg3 attacks, rerolling wounds against imperium. Sprinkle with a warlord trait and maybe the possessed strat too for a savage melee hq

Until we realise that da have no inherent Mobility Option..


Otoh the sniper AL Lord,is like the ultimate troll.


A sniping autocannon? Hell yeah. Or the bolter relic ontop a bikerlord? Oof

Nah just take a rhino party wagon with some possessed for the apostle. It's more for contesting the centre of the board with a anvil unit whilst ya jump sorcerers and demons do the legwork

 WinterLantern wrote:
Nah just take a rhino party wagon with some possessed for the apostle. It's more for contesting the centre of the board with a anvil unit whilst ya jump sorcerers and demons do the legwork

I doubt it to be competitve but I feel that WB daemonkin lists are gonna be fun.


Altough what about dakka iw daenonengine lists? Now possible?

 WinterLantern wrote:
Nah just take a rhino party wagon with some possessed for the apostle. It's more for contesting the centre of the board with a anvil unit whilst ya jump sorcerers and demons do the legwork

Except that, when you do that, you loose all the apostle buffs because of the weird timing. It's such an awkward unit.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 WinterLantern wrote:
oof word bearers smash apostle are looking possible. Take the double prayer buff, cast omen of potency and the khorne prayer and give them the cursed crozius. Enjoy 7 str8 -4ap dmg3 attacks, rerolling wounds against imperium. Sprinkle with a warlord trait and maybe the possessed strat too for a savage melee hq

Until we realise that da have no inherent Mobility Option..

Sure they do, take Possessed WT and they can Naruto run with the Possessed

It’s not much, but nearby Slaaneshi Daemon HQ and they gain advance and charge on top. 8+3D6” slapping radius

 lindsay40k wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 WinterLantern wrote:
oof word bearers smash apostle are looking possible. Take the double prayer buff, cast omen of potency and the khorne prayer and give them the cursed crozius. Enjoy 7 str8 -4ap dmg3 attacks, rerolling wounds against imperium. Sprinkle with a warlord trait and maybe the possessed strat too for a savage melee hq

Until we realise that da have no inherent Mobility Option..

Sure they do, take Possessed WT and they can Naruto run with the Possessed

It’s not much, but nearby Slaaneshi Daemon HQ and they gain advance and charge on top. 8+3D6” slapping radius

WB only, also,


Just no, no to naruto running Image.
No.

Bad lindsay40k. Bad.

How'd an AL jump Lord be with twin Plasma Pistols be? Or a jump lord with the Alpha Legion relic bolter? It seems like there's a lot of potential AL sniper lords.

It's unfortunate the army doesn't have a proper sniper rifle; but there's still a lot of fun assassin builds.

 blood reaper wrote:
How'd an AL jump Lord be with twin Plasma Pistols be? Or a jump lord with the Alpha Legion relic bolter? It seems like there's a lot of potential AL sniper lords.

It's unfortunate the army doesn't have a proper sniper rifle; but there's still a lot of fun assassin builds.

I too am wondering what the best option for an AL Vindicare-Lord might be... is the relic bolter actually the best option? 24" range seemed limiting for a warlord. A Disco with the autocannon has possibilities though, but you'd really want a Disco murdering people up close. Tough balance to find.

It’s got to be the biker Lord with relic combi-Bolter, four shots from that and four from the bike, all at long range, all after 14” move

Ambush Strat means that deep striking characters are in double danger

 lindsay40k wrote:
It’s got to be the biker Lord with relic combi-Bolter, four shots from that and four from the bike, all at long range, all after 14” move

Ambush Strat means that deep striking characters are in double danger

I thought biker lords were gone now? Where did they get reintroduced?

Niiru wrote:

 lindsay40k wrote:
It’s got to be the biker Lord with relic combi-Bolter, four shots from that and four from the bike, all at long range, all after 14” move

Ambush Strat means that deep striking characters are in double danger

I thought biker lords were gone now? Where did they get reintroduced?

Yeah iirc aren't they from the index, and aren't characters from the index restricted from taking artefacts?

 blood reaper wrote:

Niiru wrote:

 lindsay40k wrote:
It’s got to be the biker Lord with relic combi-Bolter, four shots from that and four from the bike, all at long range, all after 14” move

Ambush Strat means that deep striking characters are in double danger

I thought biker lords were gone now? Where did they get reintroduced?

Yeah iirc aren't they from the index, and aren't characters from the index restricted from taking artefacts?

They are index-only.

But you can still give them Relics.

 JNAProductions wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:

Niiru wrote:

 lindsay40k wrote:
It’s got to be the biker Lord with relic combi-Bolter, four shots from that and four from the bike, all at long range, all after 14” move

Ambush Strat means that deep striking characters are in double danger

I thought biker lords were gone now? Where did they get reintroduced?

Yeah iirc aren't they from the index, and aren't characters from the index restricted from taking artefacts?

They are index-only.

But you can still give them Relics.

I thought index units were narrative only now, essentially removed from the game. Fine for friendly games, but then anything is fine for friendly games.

No double-combi options. Termi-lord might be the best option, or the Disco autocannon perhaps.

GW’s words were ‘we won’t be recommending Legends units for competitive tournaments’

So yeah, if it’s formal, teleporting around a Terminator may well be the best choice

Not feeling it for a sniper Disco Lord, though. Not a fan of having a sniper be freely targetable by every big gun with LOS in a metagame that not long ago focussed on killing a Knight a turn

 lindsay40k wrote:
GW’s words were ‘we won’t be recommending Legends units for competitive tournaments’

So yeah, if it’s formal, teleporting around a Terminator may well be the best choice

Not feeling it for a sniper Disco Lord, though. Not a fan of having a sniper be freely targetable by every big gun with LOS in a metagame that not long ago focussed on killing a Knight a turn

Sniper Disco Lord feels like a bit of a stretch in all honesty: the auto cannon isn't bad but it seems a bit expensive and considering that it'd probably just be put to better use wrecking stuff in CC.

Niiru wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
How'd an AL jump Lord be with twin Plasma Pistols be? Or a jump lord with the Alpha Legion relic bolter? It seems like there's a lot of potential AL sniper lords.

It's unfortunate the army doesn't have a proper sniper rifle; but there's still a lot of fun assassin builds.

I too am wondering what the best option for an AL Vindicare-Lord might be... is the relic bolter actually the best option? 24" range seemed limiting for a warlord. A Disco with the autocannon has possibilities though, but you'd really want a Disco murdering people up close. Tough balance to find.

Would have to be Alpha Legion Biker Lord, Chainsword Relic + another Combi-Bolter. Weight of fire of 8 shots to get Mortal Wounds seems more reliable at this point.

So for an AL biker sniper lord are the bullet relics better or is the relic combi bolter better? The relic bullets apply to both of his combi bolters...I'd be interested to see the math.


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Honestly, a warpsmith isn't the worst candidate in the world either; still bs 2+ and mid-game he might even be in range to snipe with his meltagun >.> If you need to save points especially; not as good as the lord on bike, but half the price.

Given you're shooting an Ancient, Librarian, or LT (3+):

- 2x Combi-bolters w/Relic Ammo - 3.45W
- Relic Combi-bolter - 1.728W (so about ~3.46dmg)
- Relic Combi-bolter w/VotLW - 2.16W (so about ~4.32dmg)

If you're shooting a Capt or Chaplain (4+ Invul):

- 2x Combi-bolters w/Relic Ammo - 3.45W
- Relic Combi-bolter - 1.29W (so about ~2.59dmg)
- Relic Combi-bolter w/VotLW - 1.62W (so about ~3.24dmg)

If you're shooting a Techmarine (2+):

- 2x Combi-bolters w/Relic Ammo - 2.38W
- Relic Combi-bolter - 1.29W (so about ~2.59dmg)
- Relic Combi-bolter w/VotLW - 1.62W (so about ~3.24dmg)

A hellwright on abeyant with mindveil might be an option, the warplance is nasty stuff and he doesn't suffer to hit penalties for moving. And you get extra wounds on a 5+ with VotLW

What’s this relic ammunition mortal wounds business?

Regarding the WB DA - don't build him as a pure beatstick because as mentioned wasting a relic and WT on him doesn't improve his mobility. However, with the strat you can have the default prayer, Khorne prayer, Omen of Potency and another one of your choice (-1 or +1 to hit most likely).

Then put him with a unit walking up the board (CSMs w dual chaincannons maybe?), and if his unit ever gets charged or they make it to combat he's dropping 7 S7 AP-4 D2 attacks which is good enough to account for most of a squad of Intercessors.

Has Anyone seen anything thatforbids paying 1 CP for an auxiliary support detachment to unlock Legion Stratagems?

Maybe paying 1 CP just to take 1 AL Unit to unlock the Explode stratagem may be worth it.

Why not just RUN Alpha Legion though as a whole detachment? There isn't an incentive not to.