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War of spiders maybee has something

Not Online!!! wrote:
War of spiders maybee has something

Hopefully. I also hope that any upcoming World Eaters codex will include in it info and possibly rules for lesser-known Khornate groups like the Wrath:
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Wrath

I'd prefer they fix the legion traits for the legions we have before giving us build a warband. But I guess beggars can't be choosers.

Gadzilla666 wrote:
I'd prefer they fix the legion traits for the legions we have before giving us build a warband. But I guess beggars can't be choosers.

but the traits are fixed acording to GW.

atleast how many times since the first dex?

Not Online!!! wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:
I'd prefer they fix the legion traits for the legions we have before giving us build a warband. But I guess beggars can't be choosers.

but the traits are fixed acording to GW.

atleast how many times since the first dex?

I guess me and gw have different definitions of "fixed".

Mine being: traits that meaningfully affect how an army plays and benefits it according to its fluff so that it can function without massive reliance on cp generation and strategem stacking combos.

Gw's being: they exist.

 p5freak wrote:

Pomguo wrote:

@p5freak: swap the lev dread for a second trio of oblits? I worry that loses the reliability of S8 2dmg shooting that the Lev Dred provides, while also being squishier. But maybe I am influenced by one of my early games being against Ad Mech, who simply couldn’t hurt the Lev Dred after I removed the laschickens turn one. As for the chaos lord, I actually start the Jump Pack lord on the board to give rerolls to the havocs and dred for the first couple of turns as everything moves to claim the midfield, then warptime him over screens etc and touch tanks or character assassinate.

Well, oblits have some advantages over the levi dread. You can use votlw and ec on them. You can conceal them..

Sure, but you can only VOTLW and Conceal one unit of Oblits, and I already have one unit. So I feel like a Lev Dred might be worse than a squad of Oblits in isolation, but is a better pick than adding a second squad of Oblits.

Pomguo wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

Pomguo wrote:

@p5freak: swap the lev dread for a second trio of oblits? I worry that loses the reliability of S8 2dmg shooting that the Lev Dred provides, while also being squishier. But maybe I am influenced by one of my early games being against Ad Mech, who simply couldn’t hurt the Lev Dred after I removed the laschickens turn one. As for the chaos lord, I actually start the Jump Pack lord on the board to give rerolls to the havocs and dred for the first couple of turns as everything moves to claim the midfield, then warptime him over screens etc and touch tanks or character assassinate.

Well, oblits have some advantages over the levi dread. You can use votlw and ec on them. You can conceal them..

Sure, but you can only VOTLW and Conceal one unit of Oblits, and I already have one unit. So I feel like a Lev Dred might be worse than a squad of Oblits in isolation, but is a better pick than adding a second squad of Oblits.

However the second squad doesn't need to be on the field to be a threat. Whilest the levi is allways on the field and has a big mark painted on it.
Not to mention the added flexibility of dropping in a second squad at any position of your leisure.

Both oblits and the levi dread are viable options. They both have their ups and downs. An AL levi dread with mark of nurgle and miasma is hard to kill with -2 to hit, and offers good consistent firepower at 36". On the other side oblits can deepstrike and use votlw, ec and conceal. They can also have the mark of nurgle and get -2 to hit with miasma.

 p5freak wrote:
Both oblits and the levi dread are viable options. They both have their ups and downs. An AL levi dread with mark of nurgle and miasma is hard to kill with -2 to hit, and offers good consistent firepower at 36". On the other side oblits can deepstrike and use votlw, ec and conceal. They can also have the mark of nurgle and get -2 to hit with miasma.

i guess it comes down to preference and the list itself.
Remember we had a phase where Purge termites were used instead off obliterators in the tournament circuit.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Both oblits and the levi dread are viable options. They both have their ups and downs. An AL levi dread with mark of nurgle and miasma is hard to kill with -2 to hit, and offers good consistent firepower at 36". On the other side oblits can deepstrike and use votlw, ec and conceal. They can also have the mark of nurgle and get -2 to hit with miasma.

i guess it comes down to preference and the list itself.
Remember we had a phase where Purge termites were used instead off obliterators in the tournament circuit.

what benefits does the termite have over dreads/oblits in the purge. Legion traits still don't apply to them.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Both oblits and the levi dread are viable options. They both have their ups and downs. An AL levi dread with mark of nurgle and miasma is hard to kill with -2 to hit, and offers good consistent firepower at 36". On the other side oblits can deepstrike and use votlw, ec and conceal. They can also have the mark of nurgle and get -2 to hit with miasma.

i guess it comes down to preference and the list itself.
Remember we had a phase where Purge termites were used instead off obliterators in the tournament circuit.

what benefits does the termite have over dreads/oblits in the purge. Legion traits still don't apply to them.

He talks about terminators, not the FW termite transport. I dont understand why people refer to terminators as termites, their abbreviation is termi(s).

 p5freak wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Both oblits and the levi dread are viable options. They both have their ups and downs. An AL levi dread with mark of nurgle and miasma is hard to kill with -2 to hit, and offers good consistent firepower at 36". On the other side oblits can deepstrike and use votlw, ec and conceal. They can also have the mark of nurgle and get -2 to hit with miasma.

i guess it comes down to preference and the list itself.
Remember we had a phase where Purge termites were used instead off obliterators in the tournament circuit.

what benefits does the termite have over dreads/oblits in the purge. Legion traits still don't apply to them.

He talks about terminators, not the FW termite transport. I dont understand why people refer to terminators as termites, their abbreviation is termi(s).

oh, yeah thats a weird nickname since theres an actual unit called that

Probably just auto correct.

 p5freak wrote:
Both oblits and the levi dread are viable options. They both have their ups and downs. An AL levi dread with mark of nurgle and miasma is hard to kill with -2 to hit, and offers good consistent firepower at 36". On the other side oblits can deepstrike and use votlw, ec and conceal. They can also have the mark of nurgle and get -2 to hit with miasma.

. I thought only Helbrutes got the AL -1 to be hit. How are you getting to -2 for the Levi?

Venger6 wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Both oblits and the levi dread are viable options. They both have their ups and downs. An AL levi dread with mark of nurgle and miasma is hard to kill with -2 to hit, and offers good consistent firepower at 36". On the other side oblits can deepstrike and use votlw, ec and conceal. They can also have the mark of nurgle and get -2 to hit with miasma.

. I thought only Helbrutes got the AL -1 to be hit. How are you getting to -2 for the Levi?

Going from memory it is keyword Helbrute for traits but Unit name Helbrute for Fire Frenzy in terms of what works with the FW dreads. We should have army wide traits but for whatever reason we not only remain the most restrictive army in the game after they fixed Marines similar issue they further hamstrung us by removing traits from Cultists.

Venger6 wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Both oblits and the levi dread are viable options. They both have their ups and downs. An AL levi dread with mark of nurgle and miasma is hard to kill with -2 to hit, and offers good consistent firepower at 36". On the other side oblits can deepstrike and use votlw, ec and conceal. They can also have the mark of nurgle and get -2 to hit with miasma.

. I thought only Helbrutes got the AL -1 to be hit. How are you getting to -2 for the Levi?

Miasma of Pestilence on a Nurgle marked unit.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:

Venger6 wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Both oblits and the levi dread are viable options. They both have their ups and downs. An AL levi dread with mark of nurgle and miasma is hard to kill with -2 to hit, and offers good consistent firepower at 36". On the other side oblits can deepstrike and use votlw, ec and conceal. They can also have the mark of nurgle and get -2 to hit with miasma.

. I thought only Helbrutes got the AL -1 to be hit. How are you getting to -2 for the Levi?

Miasma of Pestilence on a Nurgle marked unit.

Yes I read that part. I am trying to confirm that the 2nd -1 modifier cannot come from the AL trait on a Levi as it is not a Helbrute

Venger6 wrote:

 Nightlord1987 wrote:

Venger6 wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Both oblits and the levi dread are viable options. They both have their ups and downs. An AL levi dread with mark of nurgle and miasma is hard to kill with -2 to hit, and offers good consistent firepower at 36". On the other side oblits can deepstrike and use votlw, ec and conceal. They can also have the mark of nurgle and get -2 to hit with miasma.

. I thought only Helbrutes got the AL -1 to be hit. How are you getting to -2 for the Levi?

Miasma of Pestilence on a Nurgle marked unit.

Yes I read that part. I am trying to confirm that the 2nd -1 modifier cannot come from the AL trait on a Levi as it is not a Helbrute

All the fw hellforged dreadnoughts were FAQed to have the hellbrute keyword, so it does get the -1. Look at the FAQ for Imperial Armour Index: Forces of Chaos.

Gadzilla666 wrote:

Venger6 wrote:

 Nightlord1987 wrote:

Venger6 wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Both oblits and the levi dread are viable options. They both have their ups and downs. An AL levi dread with mark of nurgle and miasma is hard to kill with -2 to hit, and offers good consistent firepower at 36". On the other side oblits can deepstrike and use votlw, ec and conceal. They can also have the mark of nurgle and get -2 to hit with miasma.

. I thought only Helbrutes got the AL -1 to be hit. How are you getting to -2 for the Levi?

Miasma of Pestilence on a Nurgle marked unit.

Yes I read that part. I am trying to confirm that the 2nd -1 modifier cannot come from the AL trait on a Levi as it is not a Helbrute

All the fw hellforged dreadnoughts were FAQed to have the hellbrute keyword, so it does get the -1. Look at the FAQ for Imperial Armour Index: Forces of Chaos.

Oh Excellent Thankyou very much for the news! Overjoyed!

Pomguo wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

Pomguo wrote:

@p5freak: swap the lev dread for a second trio of oblits? I worry that loses the reliability of S8 2dmg shooting that the Lev Dred provides, while also being squishier. But maybe I am influenced by one of my early games being against Ad Mech, who simply couldn’t hurt the Lev Dred after I removed the laschickens turn one. As for the chaos lord, I actually start the Jump Pack lord on the board to give rerolls to the havocs and dred for the first couple of turns as everything moves to claim the midfield, then warptime him over screens etc and touch tanks or character assassinate.

Well, oblits have some advantages over the levi dread. You can use votlw and ec on them. You can conceal them..

Sure, but you can only VOTLW and Conceal one unit of Oblits, and I already have one unit. So I feel like a Lev Dred might be worse than a squad of Oblits in isolation, but is a better pick than adding a second squad of Oblits.

make bothj AL conceal one squad and use benediction of darkness and if you have, delightful agonies on the other one, dislogde them with a -2 to hit and 2+/4++/5+++ become tricky

 blackmage wrote:

make bothj AL conceal one squad and use benediction of darkness and if you have, delightful agonies on the other one, dislogde them with a -2 to hit and 2+/4++/5+++ become tricky

I dont think a dark apostle is worth 72/82 pts. for just one prayer. A sorcerer can cast two powers for 88 pts. Where do you get the 4++ for them ?

master of possession
Dark apostole worth... if you play competitive you understand why, a LOD with a -3(or -4 if you amrk it nurgle) to hit for example is a pain in the ass or as said above 3 obly. See how possessed bomb work for example, have a solid firebase that opponent struggle to remove is critical for competitive chaos, our efficient fire platforms cost a lot and aren't chep (oblys, rubric, noise and termies too) you need to protect them in particular from 1st turn alpha strikes, AiP is an option in some cases, but is not always the best and only way, start with 3 AL obly on the table move them 9" then conceal them or make them -2 to hit is stronger than you can believe, lately i was playing 20 AL rubrics and 3 AL obly, i conceal the rubric and get obly at -2 to hit behind 90 cultists, work better if you play 90 IW fearless cultist. If you play GW missions those kind of lists are close to top for chaos actually.

I am getting ready to jump onto the Chaos train. I am going Alpha Legion as I find them entertaining and I have heard that they can be competitive.

Any suggestions on what models are absolute must haves?

 Reivax26 wrote:
I am getting ready to jump onto the Chaos train. I am going Alpha Legion as I find them entertaining and I have heard that they can be competitive.

Any suggestions on what models are absolute must haves?

depends on the level you want to play and the system, what with ITC beeing basically a totaly diffrent setting due to secondaries.

At minimum you'd want 2 battalions because CP make CSM work.
Alpha legion can also run nearly all versions of shenanigans and has the braodest palette of units that work with it.

 Reivax26 wrote:
I am getting ready to jump onto the Chaos train. I am going Alpha Legion as I find them entertaining and I have heard that they can be competitive.

Any suggestions on what models are absolute must haves?

Must have: obliterators, RCC havocs (with transport), sorcerers, cultists. Nice to have : disco lords (with daemon engines, i like venomcrawlers, because they synergize well with chaos daemons), master of possession, terminators, chaos lords, hellforged contemptor dreads, hellforged leviathan dread, daemon princes.

 p5freak wrote:

 Reivax26 wrote:
I am getting ready to jump onto the Chaos train. I am going Alpha Legion as I find them entertaining and I have heard that they can be competitive.

Any suggestions on what models are absolute must haves?

Must have: obliterators, RCC havocs (with transport), sorcerers, cultists. Nice to have : disco lords (with daemon engines, i like venomcrawlers, because they synergize well with chaos daemons), master of possession, terminators, chaos lords, hellforged contemptor dreads, hellforged leviathan dread, daemon princes.

I'd honestly switch RCC havocs with Disco lords.

Not Online!!! wrote:

I'd honestly switch RCC havocs with Disco lords.

How do you remove chaff/hordes with disco lords ? RCC havocs can do that, and harm vehicles with votlw, prescience, ec. Disco lords cant use any of these.

 p5freak wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

I'd honestly switch RCC havocs with Disco lords.

How do you remove chaff/hordes with disco lords ? RCC havocs can do that, and harm vehicles with votlw, prescience, ec. Disco lords cant use any of these.

I rarely struggle with hordes though. Then again i have started substituting cultists with MSU csm,mostly with AC but also some RC in them.

Prescience targets a heretic astartes unit so the Lord discordant has said keyword.

Not Online!!! wrote:

Prescience targets a heretic astartes unit so the Lord discordant has said keyword.

True, but i doesnt make sense, because the lord already buffs himself with its aura of discord, and he already hits on 2s. Unless you target something thats -2, or even more, to hit.

 p5freak wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Prescience targets a heretic astartes unit so the Lord discordant has said keyword.

True, but i doesnt make sense, because the lord already buffs himself with its aura of discord, and he already hits on 2s. Unless you target something thats -2, or even more, to hit.

Tbf, the shooting isn't why'd you run a lord discordant, except you attempt to headhunter meme with an Autocannon? (which btw is bloody hillarious when contextualised with what an AC is )