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I withdraw, im causing to much controversy , sorry to every one who is offended.

Okay, but the people who do it as a hobby are still not even putting a dent in to the problem.

The issue is not the large, visible pieces of plastic in the oceans, which, although not good, can be mitigated against. The issue is that when plastic breaks down in the sea, it tends to break into teeny, tiny pieces that get ingested by fish and other creatures and so end up in the food chain. And as of yet, no-one knows how this is going to effect animals and ultimately us because, we are unwittingly ingesting more and more plastic than ever before. It is unlikely to be a good thing.

I think we are all gradually plastinating ourselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastination

"The plastic crisis". Ok, now what about all the other crisis, how about country that use train tracks as there toilets?

My larger point in all this is obviously that i disagree that theres a plastic crisis, i guess you could calculate taht if you read what iahve said thus far


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We are consuming tiny plastic particals, eventaully we will be loaded with plastic because we all know plastic sticks to ur insides and you cant remove it. im being sarcastic

 Stormatious wrote:

My larger point in all this is obviously that i disagree that theres a plastic crisis, i guess you could calculate taht if you read what iahve said thus far

https://phys.org/news/2018-03-pacific-plastic-dump-larger.html





What what others on this site keep saying, is you're full of gak. . . If you look at that photo and think there's no problem. . . Well, politeness says I will leave it at that.

Its obviously a 3rd world country that photo. if it ever drifts near a 1st world country, it would get cleaned quickly

And it can be used as a sea bridge when it gets more solid


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why dont you show a picture of the rubbish inside the streets of india

 Frazzled wrote:
It's too late. Doctor s have confirmed we're all going to die.

That's the down side of life. No one gets out of it alive.


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 Stormatious wrote:
Its obviously a 3rd world country that photo. if it ever drifts near a 1st world country, it would get cleaned quickly

And it can be used as a sea bridge when it gets more solid


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why dont you show a picture of the rubbish inside the streets of india

So much for him withdrawing from the discussion...

 Stormatious wrote:
Its obviously a 3rd world country that photo. if it ever drifts near a 1st world country, it would get cleaned quickly

And it can be used as a sea bridge when it gets more solid


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why dont you show a picture of the rubbish inside the streets of india

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

 ScarletRose wrote:

 Stormatious wrote:
Its obviously a 3rd world country that photo. if it ever drifts near a 1st world country, it would get cleaned quickly

And it can be used as a sea bridge when it gets more solid


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why dont you show a picture of the rubbish inside the streets of india

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

May as well ignore them. . . Doesn't matter what evidence we put forward, everything has an excuse and a positive spin.

Can we please steer the this thread back on course?

 Stormatious wrote:
Its obviously a 3rd world country that photo. if it ever drifts near a 1st world country, it would get cleaned quickly

And it can be used as a sea bridge when it gets more solid


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why dont you show a picture of the rubbish inside the streets of india

3rd world really ?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/sep/06/plastic-fibres-found-tap-water-around-world-study-reveals How much plastic have you consumed?

http://time.com/4928759/plastic-fiber-tap-water-study/#

 Stormatious wrote:
Its obviously a 3rd world country that photo. if it ever drifts near a 1st world country, it would get cleaned quickly

And it can be used as a sea bridge when it gets more solid


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why dont you show a picture of the rubbish inside the streets of india

90% of all plastics found in oceans come from the following 10 rivers.

The Yangtze, the Indus, Yellow River, Hai River, the Nile, the Ganges, Pearl River, Amur River, the Niger, and the Mekong. - in this order as well -

All this "western" guilt I find on these forums about hobby trash baffles me.

If tomorrow, the entire western hemisphere and Europe became 100% non plastic using, the impact on the oceans would only be roughly 10ish%.

You're 100% correct about clean oceans. "we" already do our part in cleaning the waters near out shores when compared to Asia.

No need for feeling guilty over unearned guilt.

Link to the scientific paper outlining this - https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.est.7b02368

I must admit I'm surprised about the Nile presence on this list. All the others are linked to the presence of a massive amount of industry and people. It's true that there is an industrial pole near Alexandria in Egypt, but I didn't thought it was this large. I'm suprised the Ganges isn't even worse. From what I know, the quality of its water is terrible and a terrible health hazard as the river is used for ritual bathing.

We need to seriously step-up international cooperation on environmental issues. The Paris Accord was a first baby step in that direction, but in the following years, first world countries need to put their game up to force and push for better worldwide environmental protection laws based on their own or better. First world countries were to be laboratories of environmental protection and conservation policy since we had the industries, the money, the knowledge and the technology. Now its time for those to spread and fast. Time is starting to run out and it will take at least a few decades before everything is in place worldwide. That's the problem with ocean and air polution. It might come from far away (and frankly no one is blameless in this story least of all developed and developing countries), but it gets into our yard fairly fast.

 BuFFo wrote:

 Stormatious wrote:
Its obviously a 3rd world country that photo. if it ever drifts near a 1st world country, it would get cleaned quickly

And it can be used as a sea bridge when it gets more solid


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why dont you show a picture of the rubbish inside the streets of india

90% of all plastics found in oceans come from the following 10 rivers.

The Yangtze, the Indus, Yellow River, Hai River, the Nile, the Ganges, Pearl River, Amur River, the Niger, and the Mekong. - in this order as well -

All this "western" guilt I find on these forums about hobby trash baffles me.

If tomorrow, the entire western hemisphere and Europe became 100% non plastic using, the impact on the oceans would only be roughly 10ish%.

You're 100% correct about clean oceans. "we" already do our part in cleaning the waters near out shores when compared to Asia.

No need for feeling guilty over unearned guilt.

Link to the scientific paper outlining this - https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.est.7b02368

Who was guilting?

We can't in good faith stand here and absolve ourselves of guilt here in the Western sphere anyway - for decades and decades, Western countries have been exporting their waste to 3rd world countries for 'processing'. Like I said earlier in the thread, out of sight, out of mind. We can't then be surprised when, in countries with no environmental laws or regulations, they choose to dump waste straight in the river rather than dispose of it responsibly. It's exactly the same thing we did here in the UK, for example, a century or so ago. In post industrial revolution times, the Thames was essentially uninhabitable to any form of life as it was so polluted. Third world countries are just catching us up, that's all.

Thing is, we can't point the finger at them and say, 'well, we had ours but you can't have your shiny iPhones and WiFi because it pollutes too much' - quite understandably, they see the Western way of consumer driven life and they want what we have and will do anything to get it - it's why their countries are going through massive industrial upheaval.

Our entire global society has been built on sand; single use plastics and rampant consumerism are what drives our day to day lives and changing that in any meaningful way will require seismic changes the like society has never seen. I don't think it is too late, it is never 'too late' but the effort and change required just grows and grows exponentially.

 BuFFo wrote:

 Stormatious wrote:
Its obviously a 3rd world country that photo. if it ever drifts near a 1st world country, it would get cleaned quickly

And it can be used as a sea bridge when it gets more solid


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why dont you show a picture of the rubbish inside the streets of india

90% of all plastics found in oceans come from the following 10 rivers.

The Yangtze, the Indus, Yellow River, Hai River, the Nile, the Ganges, Pearl River, Amur River, the Niger, and the Mekong. - in this order as well -

All this "western" guilt I find on these forums about hobby trash baffles me.

If tomorrow, the entire western hemisphere and Europe became 100% non plastic using, the impact on the oceans would only be roughly 10ish%.

You're 100% correct about clean oceans. "we" already do our part in cleaning the waters near out shores when compared to Asia.

No need for feeling guilty over unearned guilt.

Link to the scientific paper outlining this - https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.est.7b02368

The common thread there is that all of them are areas that manufacture lots of stuff for WESTERN use, not LOCAL use.

So what's happened is businesses selling to us have outsourced not just our manufacturing, but our pollution with it.

But it still e ds up in all our oceans anyway. "Out of sight, out of mind" doesn't work on a single planet indefinitely.