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Techpriestsupport wrote: I think a b5 remake could be good today, especially with a corrupt, power mnad earth government and a band of heroes breaking away from it and fighting it from the outside in an open, armed resistance. That might strike a chord with today's audience.
This would be a Firefly remake and a good reason not to do it, as instead on redoing the original story there would be as much political agenda as possible and we have seen how bad those things end with a franchise
Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise
Techpriestsupport wrote: I think a b5 remake could be good today, especially with a corrupt, power mnad earth government and a band of heroes breaking away from it and fighting it from the outside in an open, armed resistance. That might strike a chord with today's audience.
This would be a Firefly remake and a good reason not to do it, as instead on redoing the original story there would be as much political agenda as possible and we have seen how bad those things end with a franchise
The new BSG had a lot of political themes and did pretty damn good.
"I learned the hard way that if you take a stand on any issue, no matter how insignificant, people will line up around the block to kick your ass over it." Jesse "the mind" Ventura.
The new BSG had a lot of political themes and did pretty damn good.
BSG did pretty good because it was the first SciFi show that tried to be pure mature audience with a 5 season story arc
But it did not really had a concept, especially for the bad guys, and for me it lacked everything that made the original show special.
It was a good SciFi show by that time, it was what Andromeda wanted to be (really, Andromeda was planed therefore but the producers felt that it would be too complex and targeting adults only would not be worth it so we got Hercules in space instead) and Firefly could have been.
But it was nothing special and not really worth watching it on DVD/BR several times and now that those kind of shows are common, BSG would not do that well if it would be released today.
For similar reason Star Trek did pretty damn good, and for the same reasons Into Darkness was pretty damn flop (you can cut it down to the basics, Star Trek was not made to be watched several times, particularly after it settled down and into Darkness was just a remake of Wrath of Khan, and the same concept as ST11 but much more overdrawn than "planetkiller from a different time" and no one wanted to see the same thing again).
TLDR because BSG did well trying to do the same with B5 will fail pretty hard as you cannot to that thing again
Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise
Actually Starwars used a lot of model and animatronic based visuals. Those tend to age pretty well all told. Early B5 CGI is very low grade and most would need a total rebuild not just a little touching up.
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Yeah... it's one of the more disappointing things about the SW special editions, that the added CGI really hasn't aged anywhere near as well as the original effects.
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The B5 CGI didn't age well between when they did it and when it aired!
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Again, iirc part of the problem with the b5 cgi and why youd have to entirely redo the cgi if you wanted to remaster the series or whatever, is that it wasn’t rendered wide frame. It was made right around the time wide frame was starting to be a thing but to save costs or something they didn’t do it. This leads to them having to either stretch or crop the scenes.
They made up for poor CGI by utilizing it to the fullest in some of the most creative spaceship designs in all of televised sci fi. The crawling texture on the Shadowships blew my mind as a kid, and some of the other First One ships were even crazier.
I would much prefer they do a series on the Dilgar war rather than a remake or a sequel, that could be fantastic and hits all the right notes of B5 with world building, variety of ships, diplomacy and the whole light v dark conflict.
ingtaer wrote: I hate B5 with a passion, awful programme.
Of course you realize, this means war!
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Actually Starwars used a lot of model and animatronic based visuals. Those tend to age pretty well all told. Early B5 CGI is very low grade and most would need a total rebuild not just a little touching up.
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Yeah... it's one of the more disappointing things about the SW special editions, that the added CGI really hasn't aged anywhere near as well as the original effects.
Crusade was a straight up in your face ripoff of an anime called star blazers, the first series. Trust me if you haven't seen starblazers.
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Techpriestsupport wrote: Personally I'd rather see a b5 remake than a firefly remake. I mean b5 had several years, a sp;in off series, tv movies, etc. firefly was aone season flop that a small clot of screaming fanatics won;t stop inflicting on everyone else.
The main reason it was a flop wasn't because of the series though. It was because the network (FOX) released the episodes out of order and at varying time slots, often clashing with other big shows. Basically the executive who slotted Firefly in did everything in their power to make certain it would get terrible viewing numbers and fail. Firefly itself did nothing wrong and did a lot of good; it was purely how it was released that killed it utterly.
IT was internal Fox politics that killed Firefly rather than the series having any real failings of its own. You don't get a TV series that was thrown out like that gain enough momentum to fund a full feature film without there being something really good in there.
Sadly I feel that too much time has passed under the bridge to get Firefly back with the original crew. I figure many of the actors will have moved on and just getting them together again would be a nightmare, though the way we get Firefly hints in things ilke Castle tells me at least some of them would leap at the chance for a rebirth project.
One big complaint I hear about b5 was "L0L! T3h 5FX w3r3 t3h suxx0rz!!!"
I don't givie a flea's fart how the fx looked in b5, they told the story and did the job. I can get great fx anywhere now,m even in commercials. I want story, plot, characters, consistency, plausiblness and god forbid maybe some actual science of extrapolated plausible technology.
B5 mostly did that. The fx are eye candy for children.
ingtaer wrote: I hate B5 with a passion, awful programme.
Of course you realize, this means war!
Bring it... I am prepared.
I'll crush you both...
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"I learned the hard way that if you take a stand on any issue, no matter how insignificant, people will line up around the block to kick your ass over it." Jesse "the mind" Ventura.
Just thinking out loud, but I 'm reminded that the original B5 story had to make a quite significant change at the start of the second season because the actor for the captain of B5 had a mental breakdown. That forced them to rewrite some fairly bigish chunks of the story and adapt to the fact that he had to be written out and replaced. Though I believe he returned to act a few more times in one-off episodes a long while later.
So in one way they could return that to the original storyline
One big complaint I hear about b5 was "L0L! T3h 5FX w3r3 t3h suxx0rz!!!"
I don't givie a flea's fart how the fx looked in b5, they told the story and did the job. I can get great fx anywhere now,m even in commercials. I want story, plot, characters, consistency, plausiblness and god forbid maybe some actual science of extrapolated plausible technology.
B5 mostly did that. The fx are eye candy for children.
Nah, we just recognize a xxxxing joke and move on.
"I learned the hard way that if you take a stand on any issue, no matter how insignificant, people will line up around the block to kick your ass over it." Jesse "the mind" Ventura.
Watched it all a good few years ago now, it's pretty good up until S5 and then totally nosedives, all those emo/goth poet telepaths hiding in a warehouse is pretty much all I can remember. And the leader was called Byron!
DS9 was better anyway *ducks*
I'd watch an updated 'next gen' show, move the galaxy on a hundred years or more and tell a new story etc. I wouldn't watch a remake.
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Techpriestsupport wrote: One big complaint I hear about b5 was "L0L! T3h 5FX w3r3 t3h suxx0rz!!!"
I don't givie a flea's fart how the fx looked in b5, they told the story and did the job. I can get great fx anywhere now,m even in commercials. I want story, plot, characters, consistency, plausiblness and god forbid maybe some actual science of extrapolated plausible technology.
B5 mostly did that. The fx are eye candy for children.
How very condescending of you.
For some of us, the visual aspect of the thing we are watching with our eyes is a really, really important part of the package, on account of watching something being a rather visual activity. Dodgy effects are immersion-breaking, and so get in the way of enjoying the story, plot, etc.
So do you just not watch/play anything older than [current date minus five years] then? Our perception of "dodgy" VFX radically changes over time as they improve, and our memory of VFX from shows we enjoyed in the past is almost always radically better than the actuality.
B5's CGI was not state of the art for the day, but it wasn't utter garbage either, and most other sci-fi was still using composite shots with models, it took DS9 several years and being forced by the plots of the Dominion War arc to go CGI and start showing fleet vs fleet battles on the same kind of scale that B5 had been doing for most of its run.
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Don't forget that the FX scenes on the B5 DVDs (and streaming) are far worse than they looked on the air due to Warner Bros using an old and lackluster scan of the original footage when they made the DVDs. There was a heartbreaking article about WB's contemptuous treatment of the property written when B5 became available on a big streaming service.
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Yodhrin wrote: So do you just not watch/play anything older than [current date minus five years] then? Our perception of "dodgy" VFX radically changes over time as they improve, and our memory of VFX from shows we enjoyed in the past is almost always radically better than the actuality.
I watch a lot of older stuff (my wife and I are working through Tom Baker-era Doctor Who at the moment) and enjoy quite a lot of it... but there are different expectations going into watching something old (particularly something old and familiar) vs watching something new. And there's quite a lot of sniggering at the dodgy effects...
On consideration, that's probably why I enjoyed B5 considerably more when we tried it again 10 years later... watching it new, the effects were jarring and 'tainted' the viewing experience. Going back to it later, with the understanding that the effects were a bit rubbish, I was able to largely dismiss them, have a giggle at the more dodgy bits, and focus on the story instead.
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The original deus ex is the best computer rpg ever done despite being from like 2000 and having very bad graphic and physics today. Itcs still a better playing game than most modern computer rpgs.
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