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 Mr Morden wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
A few minor points...

A, GSC is not the last codex of 8th edition, not by a long shot. At the very least, there's the full version of Sisters of Battle, and probably some version of Imperial Agents to clear up the misc. units which need support but don't fit into another book (Assassins, =][=, Sisters of Silence, etc). And that's before we consider any more new factions getting their own Codex.

B, They won't adjust anything in Chapter Approved if they expect the book to release within a couple of months. It'd be a waste of ink. I'm fairly sure we saw this with certain armies in CA2017, as well.

C, As has been pointed out, GSC were not left out of the Vigilus book, not by a long shot. Some elements may require the full Codex - which was mentioned as being worked on in the last Big FAQ - to use at maximum potential (taking multiple Relics, release of certain units outside of big boxes), but that doesn't mean you weren't included.

Out of interest, as I haven't picked the book up yet, did the SoB get any rules support in Vigilus?

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You may now return to your regularly scheduled rant...

Indeed - excellent post.

No Sisters of Battle dd not get any rules support in Viglius (unlike Genestealers) and their commander being one of the main characters in the story.

After Genestealers there are still quite a few Codexes: It seems inevitable to have World Eaters and Emperors Children, Sistes of Silence deserve a dex if Custodes got one. Inquisiton, Assassins and Rogue Tarders seem likely.

It's been confirmed Inquisition/Assassins/Imperial Agents in general will NOT be getting a codex. GW doesn't think they're appropriate for largescale 40k.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if that's true, but would you mind linking me up on the source for that?

Would be useful to have for future discussions!

Speaking as a gsc player, I’m not too annoyed at being put off for a while. We’ve gotten a lot more love outside our codex than most factions got with their codex. We got formations, which less than half of all factions have got, we got a great value box set with 2 sets of new sculpts and we know we’ve got at least 3 new kits on the way. In addition, we have access to some amazing allies which is more than a lot of Xenos players can say. Yes the delays on our codex are annoying, but we aren’t being mistreated or forgotten in any way

C4790M wrote:
Speaking as a gsc player, I’m not too annoyed at being put off for a while. We’ve gotten a lot more love outside our codex than most factions got with their codex. We got formations, which less than half of all factions have got, we got a great value box set with 2 sets of new sculpts and we know we’ve got at least 3 new kits on the way. In addition, we have access to some amazing allies which is more than a lot of Xenos players can say. Yes the delays on our codex are annoying, but we aren’t being mistreated or forgotten in any way

Hear hear!

They've released Codexes at a breakneck pace by GW standards, and someone still had to be last. And that isn't even GSC.

Nothing to get angry about here, just move along.

The Codex is out next and there are special rules in the Vigilus book. Previews all over WHC recently.

Hardly forgotten about. "Not released when you'd like" doesn't = forgotten. Heck, mine have sat unused since 8th started, but patience!

The one thing I learned from my short career playing w40k, is that it is better to not wait and hype oneself up for upcoming rules. Doesn't matter when they come and what GW says about them, they can always end up bad in the end. Better have bad stuff you already paid for, then pay extra and still have a bad set of rules. I wish GSC player all the best stuff in their upcoming book, but imo it is safer to just not care much about new stuff.

Danny slag wrote:


Honestly I'll believe it when i see it, they've been saying 'within weeks' on their FB page for 4 months.

No. They haven't. Stop making gak up.

I'm just hoping it's before February. That's all.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Danny slag wrote:


Honestly I'll believe it when i see it, they've been saying 'within weeks' on their FB page for 4 months.

No. They haven't. Stop making gak up.

Yes actually they have. Since before space wolves they've been saying that. That's how long GSC has been 'right around the corner.' Yet it's constantly just BS.

Like i've said countless times but folks seem pretty illiterate on dakka, i don't mind being the last codex, what pisses me off is when they released codecies non stop all year then went, fk it, let's take a few months off of codecies to release supplements and gak instead of dropping the last codex.

and to everyone saying it's not the last codex, you didn't see the sisters get rules in CA? they could have at least done the same for GSC to fix them since they broke the army a full year ago with CA 2017. And no your subfaction of a subfaction supplement isn't a main army codex. GSC is the only full army with no codex.

Hell, I bought a huge GSC army the moment they released back in 7th, and they've been almost unplayable since then, GW never even finished releasing the models. They started, then just moved on to 8th edition before even finishing the GSC model release, and over two years later i'm still waiting for my army to actually be supported with a full model release and rules that aren't broken.


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 Carnikang wrote:
I'm just hoping it's before February. That's all.

I've been saying that every month since august when they teased the codex as 'right around the corner.'

"Right around the corner." is a nonspecific measure of time, it just means its imminent, which in game design can be 6-7 months.

I've been saying that every month since august when they teased the codex as 'right around the corner.'

Oh no, I've been maintaining an end if January, before February mindset since August. We never got a start collecting, and Abberrants were never released outside if DW:O, and have been retooled to be included in TaC.

We are a faction that has never been finished, don't expect anything but near last in line for the limelight.
Hell, even in Vigilus, the GSC are overshadowed and sort of shunted aside in the narrative for Orks and the coming of Chaos. Though they were at least important, unlike the footnotes that we're the Aeldari and Drukhari bits....

Ah well... That will change. Crossing my fingers for absolute bonkers stuff like a GSC Knight house, good rules for BB, and a suicide bus transport. (Hopes to be dashed against a ferrocrete wall)

This thread is the new "Orktober meant stuff every day!"

 Carnikang wrote:

I've been saying that every month since august when they teased the codex as 'right around the corner.'

Oh no, I've been maintaining an end if January, before February mindset since August. We never got a start collecting, and Abberrants were never released outside if DW:O, and have been retooled to be included in TaC.

Just so we're clear:
You're far from the only faction without Start Collecting sets. Harlequin, this many years on, still don't have one. Idoneth and Daughters of Khaine on the AoS side, new releases that have done very well don't have one(though they're likely to get one soon since they got army sets for Xmas).

The Aberrants from DW: Overkill weren't going to see a solo release. They were on shared sprues with the Acolytes and Neophytes. I wouldn't be surprised to see them pull those contents as the "Start Collecting" for GSC.

We are a faction that has never been finished, don't expect anything but near last in line for the limelight.

Skitarii say "sup?". A more complete faction than Cult Mechanicus that only lacked an HQ yet got shoved into a combined book instead.

You've got an HQ coming that's synergized for Aberrants(and would likely show up in a SC with them if I'm going to be honest), new dirt bikes, another 3 HQ or Elite(we don't know yet) choices, and the quad bikes.

You've got a relatively complete faction compared to some that came before.

Hell, even in Vigilus, the GSC are overshadowed and sort of shunted aside in the narrative for Orks and the coming of Chaos. Though they were at least important, unlike the footnotes that we're the Aeldari and Drukhari bits....

You've actually read Vigilus right?

The GSC weren't ready when they launched their uprising. Their uprising has been in reaction to the Orks and Chaos showing up.

Ah well... That will change. Crossing my fingers for absolute bonkers stuff like a GSC Knight house, good rules for BB, and a suicide bus transport. (Hopes to be dashed against a ferrocrete wall)

I hope you don't ever get a Knight house. Ever. It's bad enough that you can do the whole <Brood Brothers> crap.

Danny slag wrote:
you didn't see the sisters get rules in CA? they could have at least done the same for GSC to fix them since they broke the army a full year ago with CA 2017.

Careful what you wish for, SoB CA Betadex isn't the treatment I'm hoping my GSC get. But hey, as a SoB player I get to wait and see what new changes are coming again this year, right? SoB didn't get any Vigilus formations, GSC did. Heck, imagine the poor Necron players...

Its like the GSC didn't get a prime spot in the Kill Team box, followed by T&C, followed by Vigilus formations ALL in the buildup to their codex release. If they were being treated so horribly would we be seeing that bike squad on the horizon?

Just be glad you aren't required to buy your GSCultists at SoB prices while getting the Bretonnian treatment. Things are looking up for GSC.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Carnikang wrote:

I've been saying that every month since august when they teased the codex as 'right around the corner.'

Oh no, I've been maintaining an end if January, before February mindset since August. We never got a start collecting, and Abberrants were never released outside if DW:O, and have been retooled to be included in TaC.

Just so we're clear:
You're far from the only faction without Start Collecting sets. Harlequin, this many years on, still don't have one. Idoneth and Daughters of Khaine on the AoS side, new releases that have done very well don't have one(though they're likely to get one soon since they got army sets for Xmas).

The Aberrants from DW: Overkill weren't going to see a solo release. They were on shared sprues with the Acolytes and Neophytes. I wouldn't be surprised to see them pull those contents as the "Start Collecting" for GSC.

We are a faction that has never been finished, don't expect anything but near last in line for the limelight.

Skitarii say "sup?". A more complete faction than Cult Mechanicus that only lacked an HQ yet got shoved into a combined book instead.

You've got an HQ coming that's synergized for Aberrants(and would likely show up in a SC with them if I'm going to be honest), new dirt bikes, another 3 HQ or Elite(we don't know yet) choices, and the quad bikes.

You've got a relatively complete faction compared to some that came before.

Hell, even in Vigilus, the GSC are overshadowed and sort of shunted aside in the narrative for Orks and the coming of Chaos. Though they were at least important, unlike the footnotes that we're the Aeldari and Drukhari bits....

You've actually read Vigilus right?

The GSC weren't ready when they launched their uprising. Their uprising has been in reaction to the Orks and Chaos showing up.

Ah well... That will change. Crossing my fingers for absolute bonkers stuff like a GSC Knight house, good rules for BB, and a suicide bus transport. (Hopes to be dashed against a ferrocrete wall)

I hope you don't ever get a Knight house. Ever. It's bad enough that you can do the whole <Brood Brothers> crap.

Skitarii, hah. *Laughs in Militarum Tempestus*

Geneuary!

 Apple Peel wrote:

Skitarii, hah. *Laughs in Militarum Tempestus*

Oh you mean the faction that actually can still be fielded as their own, standalone force?

Yeah. Sucks so hard to be you...

This is a dumb thread that serves no purpose.

Quite like the GSC as a faction.

Zing.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

Skitarii, hah. *Laughs in Militarum Tempestus*

Oh you mean the faction that actually can still be fielded as their own, standalone force?

Yeah. Sucks so hard to be you...

Lol, all you are missing is an HQ, right? You have fast attack, heavy support? A confusing scenario where people could meritably argue that you lose your special rule if things in your detachment weren’t “all Militarum Tempestus?”

 Apple Peel wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

Skitarii, hah. *Laughs in Militarum Tempestus*

Oh you mean the faction that actually can still be fielded as their own, standalone force?

Yeah. Sucks so hard to be you...

Lol, all you are missing is an HQ, right? You have fast attack, heavy support? A confusing scenario where people could meritably argue that you lose your special rule if things in your detachment weren’t “all Militarum Tempestus?”

Pretty sure tanks are under the "Any Regiment" and Tempestus is just a Regiment, with no limits on what can be in it.

Or no, I see what you mean in your argument, its kinda strange.

Lemondish wrote:
This is a dumb thread that serves no purpose.

Quite like the GSC as a faction.

Zing.

Not wanting to detract from the rapier edge of your wit, but you do realise the GSC have been around since at least 2nd edition, right? And I for one welcome our new baldy headed overlords.

I read this thread and saw a great deal of and teen-style angst.

Danny, I don't know if an inflammatory attitude towards the folks talking to you in this thread is going to create any useful dialogue or not.

I disengaged the moment I noticed the tone wasn't adjusting, even wen provided with reasonable counter points.

Optics aren't good at this point.

The thing that baffles me is that GW keeps releasing genuinely cool peripheral stuff for GSC that could really add to a codex...without the actual codex. It's a legit complaint to have that GW probably got their production order wrong, because all the cool models and formations in the world won't do jack in practical terms if you're still stuck on an index.
I imagine it feels like being told that it's OK that "We haven't released the game-fixing patch yet, but we released more hats for your avatars". kthx, but fix the dang game.

 Apple Peel wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

Skitarii, hah. *Laughs in Militarum Tempestus*

Oh you mean the faction that actually can still be fielded as their own, standalone force?

Yeah. Sucks so hard to be you...

Lol, all you are missing is an HQ, right? You have fast attack, heavy support? A confusing scenario where people could meritably argue that you lose your special rule if things in your detachment weren’t “all Militarum Tempestus?”

I mean this in the nicest way possible, but do you not actually get the issue here?

You have Detachments that you can run as Scions. You just got a Specialist Detachment as well that encourages one of those ways to play!

Skitarii, on the other hand:
a) Can't field a pure Skitarii Detachment by virtue of not having an HQ to lead it.
b) Had their special rule (Doctrina Imperatives) ganked from them to instead become a series of Stratagems with no potential to get back to where it was without a specific piece of wargear.

Now while yes, you do not have Fast Attacks or Heavy Supports? You, again, do not have the issue of lacking a critical component in building an army thanks to having an HQ choice.


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 Phaeron Gukk wrote:
The thing that baffles me is that GW keeps releasing genuinely cool peripheral stuff for GSC that could really add to a codex...without the actual codex. It's a legit complaint to have that GW probably got their production order wrong, because all the cool models and formations in the world won't do jack in practical terms if you're still stuck on an index.
I imagine it feels like being told that it's OK that "We haven't released the game-fixing patch yet, but we released more hats for your avatars". kthx, but fix the dang game.

You also have to take into consideration that there was a mention a few months back that they held the back book a bit to further refine it.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Skitarii, on the other hand:
a) Can't field a pure Skitarii Detachment by virtue of not having an HQ to lead it.
b) Had their special rule (Doctrina Imperatives) ganked from them to instead become a series of Stratagems with no potential to get back to where it was without a specific piece of wargear.

Now while yes, you do not have Fast Attacks or Heavy Supports? You, again, do not have the issue of lacking a critical component in building an army thanks to having an HQ choice.

You have HQ choices, they're called tech priests. Now shut up about this, no one cares. You're the only person in the world who fully bought GWs BS justification for selling you two incomplete codices instead of one complete one.

It's also not related to this thread.

Stop the endless whining.

Danny slag wrote:
Yeah this is somewhat rant, but seriously, did GW forget about GSC? They've already started moving onto campaign books and supplements while apparently forgetting they still have one codex they never released. And no the answer isn't "someone had to be last" I was fine having my codex be last, I was fine waiting. But now they're literally releasing extended content and campaign books that don't include my army. WTF GW? So GSC just don't get special detachments because you couldn't be bothered to finish your codex releases first? Didn't even get anything in chapter approved. That's just insulting business practices to go "oh yeah we know your army is unfinished, but screw you, we're going to move on to campaigns now. Have fun with a broken index army that you've waited over a year for."

How many supplements and campaigns are we going to have to miss out on content for waiting for our damn codex?

I am pretty sure something happened in the summer last year that through their entire schedule off. In regards to the GSC codex, wasn't it leaked that the team tried to destroy the codex because several rules writers didn't like the army, and they had to restart the whole thing over again?

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

Skitarii, hah. *Laughs in Militarum Tempestus*

Oh you mean the faction that actually can still be fielded as their own, standalone force?

Yeah. Sucks so hard to be you...

Lol, all you are missing is an HQ, right? You have fast attack, heavy support? A confusing scenario where people could meritably argue that you lose your special rule if things in your detachment weren’t “all Militarum Tempestus?”

Pretty sure tanks are under the "Any Regiment" and Tempestus is just a Regiment, with no limits on what can be in it.

Or no, I see what you mean in your argument, its kinda strange.

Nope. Militarum Tempestus can only take Scion Squads, Scion Command Squads, Tempestor Primes, and Taurox Primes. Thats One HQ, One Elite, One Troop, One transport choice. Technically Commissars are also Tempestus units as well, so add another HQ or two (if you care to differentiate between Commissar and Commissar Lords). No native Fast or Heavy choices to speak of. The best they can do outside these options are Auxiliary units (Ogryns/Ratlings/Crusaders/Priests) that wont break the battle forged requirement.

Yeah I saw that when I went back and reread that section of the codex.