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What is allowing him to shoot twice in a turn?

edit- Oh I see, you're using the index cult ambush rules. GW has stated that the Cult Ambush table is being changed for the codex. To what extent, we don't know.

The kelermorph, if priced as much as a standard GSC character, will be absolute insanity. D2 pistols firing up to 24 times and hitting on 2s? I think we know who GW want to push at the moment.

I have no doubt the buggy that was announced will be better than any of the Ork ones too, an inbuilt fnp and buff to bikes? The ability to change weapon loadouts? Cool.

Aberrants are already incredibly good, having one of the best damage outputs in the game for their cost, and they're getting a dude that makes them better....

Power creep is real guys.

 privateer4hire wrote:

 Asmodas wrote:
Disappointing. I’m not sure I even want the kill team box, either. I don’t play Kill Team, don’t need any more acolytes, and already have a set of Ryza pattern ruins. Unless this is really cheap and/or acolytes/morphs turn out to be awesome in the codex but require something random like tons of rock cutters or and hand flamers, I just don’t see it being a great buy. Really hoping they release the kellermorph separately, as I think this one is a pass for me.

Guess I’ll just go back to painting my neophytes for a few more weeks...

I'm in the same boat almost except I have to say that Ryza terrain set with what looks like a complete building looks interesting.
That might be something i'd actually pick up, depending on its pricing.

I'm very obivoulsy not a modeling or painting genius but I think my home-made gunslinger will work just fine for our area games.

Well you got me inspired with my own try.

Good job there Seito O

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Still trying to think of some house rules for these for Necromunda. Orlock are basically a biker gang already and the idea of zooming around the underhive does have it's appeal.

Go dig up the Ash wastes rules.. there were rules made up for bikes and buggies there.

Oh.. Whats this?

http://www.specialist-arms.com/fanatic/98dabvitaw.pdf
https://yaktribe.games/community/vault/?order=title&page=3


Hope that helps.

So, is it just me or are the Genestealer Cultists gradually transforming into the Skaven of 40k? We now have a Deathmaster Sniktch, a Skrolk, Grey Seers...

That’s a fair point

Davor wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Does the theoretical low durability matter when he can kill units already of his worth or more?

People are still playing 40K on how many points something can get back? I haven't played 40K in years, about to come back. I thought this has changed with the new edition. People don't play for objectives but by how something get it's points back or more?

As someone said, if he can't get in range, how is he ever going to get "his points back or more"?

You're not serious, are you?

Like, do a quick Google search. That's the schtick of Genestealer Cult.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Davor wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Does the theoretical low durability matter when he can kill units already of his worth or more?

People are still playing 40K on how many points something can get back? I haven't played 40K in years, about to come back. I thought this has changed with the new edition. People don't play for objectives but by how something get it's points back or more?

As someone said, if he can't get in range, how is he ever going to get "his points back or more"?

You're not serious, are you?

Like, do a quick Google search. That's the schtick of Genestealer Cult.

So glad you are here to speak for every one (just ribbing you mate)

Points efficiency is always a thing for any faction. That said, point efficiency isn't just getting points back. That's just the killing side, plenty of things will never kill their cost back, not even close, and are still amazing because of either their durability, or utility.

 Casbyness wrote:
So, is it just me or are the Genestealer Cultists gradually transforming into the Skaven of 40k? We now have a Deathmaster Sniktch, a Skrolk, Grey Seers...

Well they are the complete cultural opposite

 Red Corsair wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Davor wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Does the theoretical low durability matter when he can kill units already of his worth or more?

People are still playing 40K on how many points something can get back? I haven't played 40K in years, about to come back. I thought this has changed with the new edition. People don't play for objectives but by how something get it's points back or more?

As someone said, if he can't get in range, how is he ever going to get "his points back or more"?

You're not serious, are you?

Like, do a quick Google search. That's the schtick of Genestealer Cult.

So glad you are here to speak for every one (just ribbing you mate)

Points efficiency is always a thing for any faction. That said, point efficiency isn't just getting points back. That's just the killing side, plenty of things will never kill their cost back, not even close, and are still amazing because of either their durability, or utility.

I think he meant that Genestealer Cults are really good at getting in range. Unless GW severely nerfed Cult Ambush in the the codex, this guy won't have any problem dropping in within 12" of whatever he wants.

In terms of ‘getting his points back’, I’d say for this chap it’s highly relevant as a consideration,

Played with a bit cunning, and yes luck, he can podshot enemy synergies by whacking choice characters in short order. That’s mega. But not if he himself costs too much for the risk. For his resilience, something like 150 points just wouldn’t be worth it. Too many points for a risky one-trick Pony. Especially given CA-18 changed up First Blood so both players can benefit. If this bad boy whiffs it for whatever reason, he’s just gonna get a faceload of Dakka and no do-overs. You also gift your opponent at least one VP for very little effort.

 EnTyme wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Davor wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Does the theoretical low durability matter when he can kill units already of his worth or more?

People are still playing 40K on how many points something can get back? I haven't played 40K in years, about to come back. I thought this has changed with the new edition. People don't play for objectives but by how something get it's points back or more?

As someone said, if he can't get in range, how is he ever going to get "his points back or more"?

You're not serious, are you?

Like, do a quick Google search. That's the schtick of Genestealer Cult.

So glad you are here to speak for every one (just ribbing you mate)

Points efficiency is always a thing for any faction. That said, point efficiency isn't just getting points back. That's just the killing side, plenty of things will never kill their cost back, not even close, and are still amazing because of either their durability, or utility.

I think he meant that Genestealer Cults are really good at getting in range. Unless GW severely nerfed Cult Ambush in the the codex, this guy won't have any problem dropping in within 12" of whatever he wants.

Then he would be wrong anyway. GSC is not really good at getting in range lol. You have to wait until turn 2, with an army that sucks at screen removal meaning it gets zoned out in pathetically easy fashion. THEN you have to not only roll on a rando table, but even when you roll that ever sought after 6, you STILL need to follow the restriction of being over 9" from any enemies to deploy.

Now, hopefully that all gets fixed, but some folks like to speak as autorities on things when they have next to zero information. Best to wait and see.

Well, a lot of it is going to depend on how they've changed Cult Ambush from the index, but the Kelermorph's +3 to the roll is definitely a bonus. Also, he wants to roll a 5, not a 6.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
In terms of ‘getting his points back’, I’d say for this chap it’s highly relevant as a consideration,

Played with a bit cunning, and yes luck, he can podshot enemy synergies by whacking choice characters in short order. That’s mega. But not if he himself costs too much for the risk. For his resilience, something like 150 points just wouldn’t be worth it. Too many points for a risky one-trick Pony. Especially given CA-18 changed up First Blood so both players can benefit. If this bad boy whiffs it for whatever reason, he’s just gonna get a faceload of Dakka and no do-overs. You also gift your opponent at least one VP for very little effort.

I agree, and sure he could pull off a sweet kill on a character, but you also would need to play a player with less cunning or who didn't understand the mechanics. He has a 12" attack, you need to be remarkably careless or lazy to let this guy get to your linch pin support characters. At least early game when it would matter most. This guy seems like he's mostly fun, and at the very least a solid chaf remover. I am not saying he is bad, but the folks claiming he's some hyper efficient character hunter need to lighten up a tad. He is t3 with a 5+ and 4 wounds and 12" guns, guardsmen can beat him down in assault lol. I like him a lot personally, he will make really fun small scale fire fights happen that are entertaining and he isn't terribly hard for your opponent to revenge kill back. I think that's the type of character that adds enjoyment. It's models like smash captains or dawn-eagle shield captains that annoy people by gutting your center piece model and refusing to die.

But we don't even know what you'll need to roll on the cult amuch table in the new codex, and we have to take everything new we are seeing in that context. But we don't know the context... we can't make assumptions...

I've been feeling very calm about the long wait for the codex, but this discussion is making me less calm.

 EnTyme wrote:
Well, a lot of it is going to depend on how they've changed Cult Ambush from the index, but the Kelermorph's +3 to the roll is definitely a bonus. Also, he wants to roll a 5, not a 6.

Thanks for reinforcing my point.

We don't know what the new table is, or how it works, or when it can be used.

I'll also restate the fact that he still needs to be deployed outside 9" even on a roll of a 6. So many people get this wrong or don't understand the rule. Currently a 6 lets you move after you deploy, that doesn't mean he gets to deploy just over 3" but that he still needs to find a 20" diameter empty section to drop in before he gets to move. A 5 is the same thing only you shoot or advance in place of a move.


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 Fifty wrote:
But we don't even know what you'll need to roll on the cult amuch table in the new codex, and we have to take everything new we are seeing in that context. But we don't know the context... we can't make assumptions...

I've been feeling very calm about the long wait for the codex, but this discussion is making me less calm.

Me too buddy. Hopefully they announce preorders tomorrow for next Saturday, then the real previews can begin and hopefully they start with the ambush mechanic so people can stop speculating regardless of how useful or not it ends up being.

 Red Corsair wrote:


I'll also restate the fact that he still needs to be deployed outside 9" even on a roll of a 6. So many people get this wrong or don't understand the rule. Currently a 6 lets you move after you deploy, that doesn't mean he gets to deploy just over 3" but that he still needs to find a 20" diameter empty section to drop in before he gets to move. A 5 is the same thing only you shoot or advance in place of a move.

Again, that will depend on what changes were made. GSC may have gained an exemption to the deployment restrictions like the Necron C'tan Shard of the Deceiver did.

Is it possible to compare what we know of the upcoming characters, and the existing Cult Ambush rules to speculate on the changes?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Is it possible to compare what we know of the upcoming characters, and the existing Cult Ambush rules to speculate on the changes?

Not really? I think the most we've seen amongst the previews about cult ambush is the kelermorph's +3 to roll

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
In terms of ‘getting his points back’, I’d say for this chap it’s highly relevant as a consideration,

Played with a bit cunning, and yes luck, he can podshot enemy synergies by whacking choice characters in short order. That’s mega. But not if he himself costs too much for the risk. For his resilience, something like 150 points just wouldn’t be worth it. Too many points for a risky one-trick Pony. Especially given CA-18 changed up First Blood so both players can benefit. If this bad boy whiffs it for whatever reason, he’s just gonna get a faceload of Dakka and no do-overs. You also gift your opponent at least one VP for very little effort.

I agree, and sure he could pull off a sweet kill on a character, but you also would need to play a player with less cunning or who didn't understand the mechanics. He has a 12" attack, you need to be remarkably careless or lazy to let this guy get to your linch pin support characters. At least early game when it would matter most. This guy seems like he's mostly fun, and at the very least a solid chaf remover. I am not saying he is bad, but the folks claiming he's some hyper efficient character hunter need to lighten up a tad. He is t3 with a 5+ and 4 wounds and 12" guns, guardsmen can beat him down in assault lol. I like him a lot personally, he will make really fun small scale fire fights happen that are entertaining and he isn't terribly hard for your opponent to revenge kill back. I think that's the type of character that adds enjoyment. It's models like smash captains or dawn-eagle shield captains that annoy people by gutting your center piece model and refusing to die.

On this, he could actually be a nice mid-game ‘ace in the hole’, depending on how Cult Ambush pans out.

If he can reliably be held back out of sight, only to pop up to take down targets of opportunity/necessity, you probably stand a better chance of catching Snr Lynchpin with their pants down. And as things heat up, breaking their synergy there may leave them with no time to redress and draw new plans.

As a threat, I’d say he’s a must have. Just his mere presence, floating around the periphery in a vaguely menacing manner can help restrict your opponent’s options, more so if you take a pair of them. He’s also pretty handy for clearing out enemy infantry. With the merest tilt off average, he can knock some holes in even Terminators and their equivalents. Heck, that Dam2 is nice against Primaris as well

But he’s not something to anchor your strategy around. Too fragile whilst also being a bullet magnet. And too situational to be able to reliably get his chance to shine (though actually shining when that chance comes around is very pleasingly reliable). If you can keep him around a basic squad of Shotgun Neophytes, and that’s a lot of S4 pain.

You know, the more I think of it, the more I feel the character assassin thing may be a red herring. It’s tasty, sure, and to be exploited at every sensible opportunity. But just keeping him around as a Deleter Of Small Squads may be his true niche? Consider the mess he’d make of Fire Warriors if he catches them in the open? Seems a handy (PUN!) chap to have around when you want an objective swept clean of enemy infantry.

Hell, he could even be a threat to lighter vehicles as a coup de grace in later turns?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Spoilering all the relevant photos into one place:

Spoiler:

I'm kind of in love with this thing.

That's lust you're feeling Kan. I know it well.
While stat wise it could proxy a Tarous, its foot print is going to be much larger.
I'm hoping it goes on preorder next week. I need these for the return to Taros campaign.



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It would be cool if there was a transport version too, much like the rumored Tarous Venerator transport.

Very nice conversion work, Seito. We brood brothers have to stick together. You just saved about as much as the codex should cost

On topic, that Achilles vehicle is amazingly nice. Wonder how much unrevealed stuff they have left before the pre-order.

Well, hopefully we'll see the preview for GSC up tomorrow.

Wave 1 will be the codex for sure, but what else will we see with it? As it stands we have quite a few kits to be released.

And maybe the units that apparently we haven't seen yet? Unless that rumor was false

 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
we have quite a few kits to be released.

By my reckoning we have:

Abominant
Female Magus
Sanctus assassin
Locus
Clamavus vox guy
Nexos
Biophagus
Aberrants
Atalan Jackal bikes (presumably including the Alphus)
Atalan Jackal quadbike
Achilles Ridgerunner
Fragdrill terrain piece

I'm assuming the Kelermorph won't get a separate release for the time being. Hopefully some of those many characters will be bundled together into a Broodcoven-style box.

Did I miss anything?

I hate that they are taking so long to announce next weeks preorders lol.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/01/27/pre-order-preview-genestealer-cults/

Announcement is up

Guess the blip marker rumours were true?

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/GSCPreview-Jan27-GSCCodexCollectors4dn.jpg

It looks like there will be more news the second week. They are not going to leave a week just for the vehicle, right?

So a Collectors edition and a Limited Edition besides the base Codex.

I wonder what is in the Limited one..

The models all look amazing.

The Sanctus,, Clamavus,, Nexos are the ones I like the best so far.

Bikes I will have to see the senergy first.