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 Grot 6 wrote:
How many units of bikes can you run? 3 or 4?

They had me at the doomsday weapon, but the added bike gang could really push me over the edge into the arms of our loving Patriarch….

In matched play beta rules (aka tournament rules) you could run 3 units of maximum 15 bikes.

NZ preorders are up!

Loving the look of this build, it has a generic RTS look and feel to it, like this is the first vehicle unit you can get in the game.

Very Command and Conquer Tiberium Wars, yeah.

I love the look of that missile launcher! I hope it's stats are half decent!

It's a regular missile launcher, it would've had a fancy name otherwise.

Umm.

So. This new Codex. Page 43...

"Maguses".





Seriously? "MAGUSES"???

It's MAGI.

Who are these uneducated clowns currently editing GW writing. MAGUSES?!

Dang....

Just as a note, they do specifically call out a Genestealer Cult Start Collecting as an example army!

Iconward(shock! gasp!), Neophytes, Acolytes, and a Goliath.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Just as a note, they do specifically call out a Genestealer Cult Start Collecting as an example army!

Iconward(shock! gasp!), Neophytes, Acolytes, and a Goliath.

We actually have a pretty decent pic of it floating around: https://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fjznrqtnt3mf21.jpg%3Fwidth%3D960%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D9ee301d38da6ce745a79e4e6805c5eeb9eebd6d6&key=s-JAf_WGdEHJC1czoevhmQ&w=800&h=989

I wonder if it's one of the new, pricier Start Collectings, but even so, it seems like a good deal. Those kits are expensive XD

I'm sure it will be one of the pricier new SC sets. However, even at $100 USD (and $95 looks to be the most expensive SC currently for 40k) you get one of the infantry units and the character for free, comparing MSRP for everything involved.

£85 value not even counting the Iconward.

Basically it's the Iconward and one of the squads for free.

Totally happy paying £60 for that (well, £48 )

And Iconward can, with a little work, be converted into a passable Biophagus, too

if that start collecting is coming soon I'll start gsc and take 6 please

 privateer4hire wrote:
And Iconward can, with a little work, be converted into a passable Biophagus, too

Honestly, I've just told people to run it as an Acolyte with an Icon from the Acolyte kit.

It lets you have an extra Acolyte body to build with a special if you want, and then you can swap the Iconward in when you want to or not.

 Casbyness wrote:
Umm.

So. This new Codex. Page 43...

"Maguses".





Seriously? "MAGUSES"???

It's MAGI.

Who are these uneducated clowns currently editing GW writing. MAGUSES?!

Dang....

In the 21st (and prior) century, yeah it is.

In that war torn future? Who knows.

 Casbyness wrote:
Umm.

So. This new Codex. Page 43...

"Maguses".

Meh. It's been clear for a while that they prefer using English plurals rather than faffing about pretending they care about Latin/Greek plurals. Hence, codexes
This isn't that shocking.

(related, see also octopuses/octopi and hippopotamuses/hippopotami, the latter forms being incorrect)


But now I want to find an old 'Persian' record ranting about how the Greeks and Romans were doing it wrong when they acquired the word.


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I'm actually more annoyed it's not technically legal to give a neophyte leader a shotgun. He either has to keep his autogun or swap over to pistol/melee.

The plural of octopus is octopodes, so clearly they should have used ‘Magupodes’.

Also the plural of dwarf is dwarfs but don’t you dare mention that to any Dwarves you know….

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Also the plural of dwarf is dwarfs but don’t you dare mention that to any Dwarves you know….

I’m certain GW always used the correct ‘dwarfs’ plural, back when dwarfs were still dwarfs.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Also the plural of dwarf is dwarfs but don’t you dare mention that to any Dwarves you know….

If I remember correctly, the exception is Tolkein dwarves, because they are always written with a v within the Tolkein mythos.

Not the topic of this thread folks!

Finally got a copy, pleased to see that a Baneblade can be taken, and effectively no penalty for doing so since the superheavy detachment doesn't come with any command benefits anyway.

Seems very clear in context that AM are allowed orders, just not regiment-specific ones.

A single Patriarch and Magus per GSC detachment is no big deal as that rule was there in 7th.

Neophyte vs Brood Brothers seems to depend on whether you want them to ever move. To camp at the back seems to default to BBs.

To clarify, they've split the old Neophyte entry into what the two squads can build, rather than the previous version where they were both represented by a single entry, correct?

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
To clarify, they've split the old Neophyte entry into what the two squads can build, rather than the previous version where they were both represented by a single entry, correct?

Kiiiind of.

They removed the options that appeared only on the guard sprue from Neophyte squads.

They added a new unit called "Brood Brother infantry squad" that is effectively a Guard infantry squad but with two differences: A 20-man unit cap, and the Vox Caster is replaced with a "Cult Vox Caster" which gives a morale reroll.

Brood Brothers do not have the <cult> keyword, so they don't get to choose cult benefits, but do not remove those benefits from your detachment. They do get Cult Ambush, and Unquestioning Loyalty.

As before, Leman Russes are present, but are limited only to the options in the Battle Tank kit if you take them in a GSC detachment (but they do gain Cult Ambush).

cult sentinels are unchnged from the index.

Cult HWTs have been added as a heavy support choice, identical to guard HWTs except for a slight points hike to the mortar I believe.

Cult Chimeras can now only hold Brood Brothers infantry. Brood brothers HWTs count as two. Hilariously, Brood Brothers Ogryns are not addressed - we're gonna get to that.

So here's where it gets squirrely.

You can take Allied Guard Detachments as before. You replace all instances of the <regiment> keyword with Brood Brothers and if you don't have a <Reigment> keyword, you ADD the Brood Brothers keyword.

That means all Auxilia, Militarum Tempestus, Expecto Prefectronus, and Astro Telepatico units gain Brood Brothers.

Sentences within the rules like

"this model may issue orders to 2 Brood Brothers infantry units per turn"

and

"This model may transport 10 Brood Brothers infanry models"

become a lot more hilarious when you can start doing things like, say, 10 bullgryns, a platoon commander and a priest jammed into a cult chimera that gets blip deployment.

This is why a lot of people are thinking this rule is ripe for a FAQ-ing.

Oh, that's really surprising, I assumed you'd only be able to use things that had the <regiment> option, since that would eliminate special characters and weird stuff like auxilia in one fell swoop. That's a really awkward way of doing it, since it opens up interactions that didn't used to be available...

Also, the cult chimera not giving access to other troops is just awkward, like, Primaris transports levels of irritating limitations :/

Thanks for the details.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Oh, that's really surprising, I assumed you'd only be able to use things that had the <regiment> option, since that would eliminate special characters and weird stuff like auxilia in one fell swoop. That's a really awkward way of doing it, since it opens up interactions that didn't used to be available...

Also, the cult chimera not giving access to other troops is just awkward, like, Primaris transports levels of irritating limitations :/

Thanks for the details.

The Chimera thing makes perfect sense--Ogryn aren't in the book. They're in Guard.

The ability to take Cult Ogryns will probably get errata'd out, but in terms of background, abhumans are still genetically human so there's no reason a Genestealer Cult couldn't infect Ogryns, Ratlings, Squats, etc.

Might make a fun conversion project anyway...

If anything, they may just FAQ that auxillary don't get the BB keyword, but don't break the detachment.

Or they will FAQ/add another Keyword like Brood auxillary or some such that will need to be FAQd again, and then thrice to fix what they broke trying to fix the first issue.

I quite like that allied Guard only generate half the amount of CP's as opposed to proper GSC formations.

If that is the Start Collecting box then that's a great deal and I'll happily pay the £60 (well, £60 minus the Element discount)...