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Roxette singer Marie Fredriksson dies, aged 61 - BBC

beast_gts wrote:
Roxette singer Marie Fredriksson dies, aged 61 - BBC

That sucks. I was living in Sweden when The Look was released, and it was *everywhere*. Still love Roxette.

Brilliant group and a lovely front lady. Thoughts are with friends and family.

Caroll Spinney, performer of Big Bird and Oscar on Sesame Street, has died. He retired from the parts last year, having done them from the very beginning in 1969.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-50705508

Naturalist and presenter David Bellamy dies at 86 - BBC

beast_gts wrote:
Naturalist and presenter David Bellamy dies at 86 - BBC

that's another childhood legend gone, a proper enthusiastic English eccentric

Sadly he was a climate change denier in later life, which somewhat tarnished his memory for me.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Sadly he was a climate change denier in later life, which somewhat tarnished his memory for me.

He was a sceptic rather than a denier, believing it was part of Earth's natural cycle - "Climate change is happening, it's been happening all the time there has been a climate, and there certainly is a period in recent times when it appears that the temperature is going up and up. But I would show you this one thing out of the paper – strawberries in December, frog spawn in February – not 2007 but 1868 and no one blamed global warming then. I have asked the global warmers how to explain facts like that and they always don't give me an answer. So I am a sceptic."

Sometimes I do wonder if the human element might be overblown considering that "since records began" is only around 100 years or so in many regions and in some less than that. That and its impossibly hard to draw the line on what is human and what is natural for climate change.

That said it is happening and in the end almost all of the climate impacts that humans induce are easily shown to cause other forms of harm to the planet and ourselves. So honestly even if it were all proven to be naturally driven climatic change the ecological, atmospheric and life quality improvements from cleaning up human carbon and other emissions would only be a good thing.

beast_gts wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Sadly he was a climate change denier in later life, which somewhat tarnished his memory for me.

He was a sceptic rather than a denier, believing it was part of Earth's natural cycle - "Climate change is happening, it's been happening all the time there has been a climate, and there certainly is a period in recent times when it appears that the temperature is going up and up. But I would show you this one thing out of the paper – strawberries in December, frog spawn in February – not 2007 but 1868 and no one blamed global warming then. I have asked the global warmers how to explain facts like that and they always don't give me an answer. So I am a sceptic."

No, he is certainly a denier. Scientists who specialise in the Earth's natural cycles say it is not the cause. Neither is the Solar cycle to blame. Controlling for these phenomena still leaves a huge increase in global temperature since we have started burning fossil fuels, a huge net loss in ice sheets etc.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Sadly he was a climate change denier in later life, which somewhat tarnished his memory for me.

He was a sceptic rather than a denier, believing it was part of Earth's natural cycle - "Climate change is happening, it's been happening all the time there has been a climate, and there certainly is a period in recent times when it appears that the temperature is going up and up. But I would show you this one thing out of the paper – strawberries in December, frog spawn in February – not 2007 but 1868 and no one blamed global warming then. I have asked the global warmers how to explain facts like that and they always don't give me an answer. So I am a sceptic."

No, he is certainly a denier. Scientists who specialise in the Earth's natural cycles say it is not the cause. Neither is the Solar cycle to blame. Controlling for these phenomena still leaves a huge increase in global temperature since we have started burning fossil fuels, a huge net loss in ice sheets etc.

Just noticed this quote of his ("It (global warming) is not happening at all, but if you get the idea that people's children will die because of CO2 they fall for it."), so I'll walk away from this now.

Let’s all walk away from it.

Because other than that one thing, which he adopted in later life, he was a pretty decent guy.

 Overread wrote:
Sometimes I do wonder if the human element might be overblown considering that "since records began" is only around 100 years or so in many regions and in some less than that. That and its impossibly hard to draw the line on what is human and what is natural for climate change.

That said it is happening and in the end almost all of the climate impacts that humans induce are easily shown to cause other forms of harm to the planet and ourselves. So honestly even if it were all proven to be naturally driven climatic change the ecological, atmospheric and life quality improvements from cleaning up human carbon and other emissions would only be a good thing.

Fossil fuel usage has only really been a thing for the same sort of time-frame though. The graph here is pretty dramatic.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/global-fossil-fuel-consumption

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Let’s all walk away from it.

Because other than that one thing, which he adopted in later life, he was a pretty decent guy.

indeed and anyhoo its awfully English to hold contrary views

Danny Aiello

I’m going to have to watch Hudson Hawk again in his honor.

Guess he won’t be attending the hat convention in July.

Kind of a polarizing chap, but Don Imus has passed away

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/don-imus-legendary-imus-morning-host-dies-at-79-1265052

Neil Innes: Monty Python songwriter dies aged 75 - BBC


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Syd Mead, Artist Behind Blade Runner, Dies - IGN

Is this the final entry for this year?

Jack Sheldon Schoolhouse Rock! singer of "Conjunction Junction” and "I'm Just a Bill".

2019.

It took my Mum. So I’m glad to see it’s demise.

Sorry for your loss, Doc. Truly, I don’t know what I’d do without my mom. Gotta go call her now.

.... what a year eh ?

Man, that guy in purple is a dead (pun not intended) ringer for my best friend. Give him curly hair and they’d pass as identical twins.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
2019.

It took my Mum. So I’m glad to see it’s demise.

I'd like to take this opportunity to say that you have been one of the more decent members I've encountered on a forum, and I'm sure I speak for the Dakka community in that our thoughts are with you and your family.

May 2020 be the first step on the road to healing.

Steve.