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Loving the new Primaris stuff - hopefully I can find someone to split a box with, as I've got zero interest in the Chaos stuff!

 insaniak wrote:

 Brutus_Apex wrote:

This is exactly why Primaris hold absolutely no interest for me. I think they look terrible. Technological advancement has no place in warhammer 40k.

It actually scares me to think that the game might be headed in this direction. They had the right idea back in 4th and 5th where everything was knights in space.

Indeed. The Warrior Monk aspect of Marines was precisely what made them interesting. Primaris are just guys in armor. It's dull. Pretty, but dull.

Getting closer and closer to Call of Duty/Halo every day. Oh well, at least the Genestealer Cults stuff is great. I'll take Mad Max over Halo.

slave.entity wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Brutus_Apex wrote:

This is exactly why Primaris hold absolutely no interest for me. I think they look terrible. Technological advancement has no place in warhammer 40k.

It actually scares me to think that the game might be headed in this direction. They had the right idea back in 4th and 5th where everything was knights in space.

Indeed. The Warrior Monk aspect of Marines was precisely what made them interesting. Primaris are just guys in armor. It's dull. Pretty, but dull.

Getting closer and closer to Call of Duty/Halo every day. Oh well, at least the Genestealer Cults stuff is great. I'll take Mad Max over Halo.

I can see the Halo aesthetics (especially Bungie-era), but, er, Halo and CoD have quite different aesthetics overall.

Alpharius wrote:Loving the new Primaris stuff - hopefully I can find someone to split a box with, as I've got zero interest in the Chaos stuff!

Ironic, considering your username But then blending in with sneaky Marines disguised as Loyalists... hmmm

I was told Primaris bits wouldn't fit on Scions, is that true? Otherwise I am gonna need some of those sniper arms.

 Bobthehero wrote:
I was told Primaris bits wouldn't fit on Scions, is that true? Otherwise I am gonna need some of those sniper arms.

I know someone here used Scion heads on Scouts with excellent success. I don't think Primaris heads are really much bigger than the regular heads.

Does anyone think they'll go back to letting Obliterators choose their guns? The model they showed has a Heavy Bolter, a Multi Melta, a Plasma Cannon and a Autocannon I think.

But they are all identifiable guns, not just generic 'Fleshmetal Guns'.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
I was told Primaris bits wouldn't fit on Scions, is that true? Otherwise I am gonna need some of those sniper arms.

I know someone here used Scion heads on Scouts with excellent success. I don't think Primaris heads are really much bigger than the regular heads.

Found the thread:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/766629.page#10313359

I wonder how Flinty feels knowing that GW stole his design idea?

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 dan2026 wrote:
Does anyone think they'll go back to letting Obliterators choose their guns? The model they showed has a Heavy Bolter, a Multi Melta, a Plasma Cannon and a Autocannon I think.

But they are all identifiable guns, not just generic 'Fleshmetal Guns'.

I'm seeing heavy bolter, plasma cannon, multimelta/twin-linked meltagun, and combi-bolter on one, and what looks like a heavy flamer and assault cannon/rotor cannon on the other (this is in the video, so is less clear).

 Haighus wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
Does anyone think they'll go back to letting Obliterators choose their guns? The model they showed has a Heavy Bolter, a Multi Melta, a Plasma Cannon and a Autocannon I think.

But they are all identifiable guns, not just generic 'Fleshmetal Guns'.

I'm seeing heavy bolter, plasma cannon, multimelta/twin-linked meltagun, and combi-bolter on one, and what looks like a heavy flamer and assault cannon/rotor cannon on the other (this is in the video, so is less clear).

Ahem I think you mean: a hellflayer bolter, heavy reaper plasma cannon, doomlord bolt cannon and eternal tormenter meltagun.

(Note these are the joke names I made up for the guns a few pages back, I have no actual info.)

PiñaColada wrote:

 Haighus wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
Does anyone think they'll go back to letting Obliterators choose their guns? The model they showed has a Heavy Bolter, a Multi Melta, a Plasma Cannon and a Autocannon I think.

But they are all identifiable guns, not just generic 'Fleshmetal Guns'.

I'm seeing heavy bolter, plasma cannon, multimelta/twin-linked meltagun, and combi-bolter on one, and what looks like a heavy flamer and assault cannon/rotor cannon on the other (this is in the video, so is less clear).

Ahem I think you mean: a hellflayer bolter, heavy reaper plasma cannon, doomlord bolt cannon and eternal tormenter meltagun.

(Note these are the joke names I made up for the guns a few pages back, I have no actual info.)

I was thinking that, but couldn't be bothered to add Chaos-y names Will be funny to see if you got any spot on though.

 Haighus wrote:

I was thinking that, but couldn't be bothered to add Chaos-y names Will be funny to see if you got any spot on though.

I hope not, those names are terrible

 alleus wrote:
The new Primaris armour looks great, love the helmet design! Need to see the models though, for how well it's translated into miniature form

Spoiler:

I'm glad he brought all 3 of his optics with him

I don't quite understand what these Vanguard units are.
Are they a different army, or are they a specific unit type?

On the wrong side of the gun for a righty no less.

 mace_ace wrote:
On the wrong side of the gun for a righty no less.

Not if you tilt the weapon.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I don't quite understand what these Vanguard units are.
Are they a different army, or are they a specific unit type?

They're a bunch of new units tied around a central theme. This is a Stormcast style release (there were also Vanguard Stormcast interestingly enough), so all the units should be playable in other Marine lists, but the units will have certain visual elements to tie them together closer. These guys are Marines of the sneaky/sabotagy sort, so similar to an expansion on Reivers.

Huh, interesting. So the vanguard librarian is just an HQ choice, he just has different powers to a primaris librarian?

I like how the vanguard helmets are similar to that of the normal marine helmets. I guess its if you prefer armor that looks more like pre-Mk X armor.

 dan2026 wrote:
Does anyone think they'll go back to letting Obliterators choose their guns? The model they showed has a Heavy Bolter, a Multi Melta, a Plasma Cannon and a Autocannon I think.

But they are all identifiable guns, not just generic 'Fleshmetal Guns'.

I am starting to think its not actually an obliterator, but a hellbrute variant, obliterax or something, so i think we will keep the current oblit rules AND get a new larger version.

Red Corsair wrote:

 alleus wrote:
The new Primaris armour looks great, love the helmet design! Need to see the models though, for how well it's translated into miniature form

Spoiler:

I'm glad he brought all 3 of his optics with him

mace_ace wrote:On the wrong side of the gun for a righty no less.

Not a problem when they, you know, feed directly into his helmet autosenses and nervous system through the black carapace. Actually makes a lot of sense to have a variety of different optics in that scenario.

So when are we going to see the whole box set? I've already stretched out my money throwing muscles.

Not loving this release. More primaris and over-decorated chaos stuff. And did we really need upscaled obliterators?

I'm guessing it'll be available for purchase around that March 5th date, alongside a full reveal of Abaddon and Vigilus 2 who'll go up for preorder a bit later

I'm a little put off by the rules suggestions for what both the tick and the master of possessions are going to do. Both seem to suggest they are going to things with summoning. Summoning is a terrible rule this edition, in no small part because of the intrinsic limitations GW chose to put in. No first turn and it costs points.

It's very hard to make summoning good with those fixed limitations in the current environment, and daemons aren't the strongest things out there to begin with. So having new chaos rules continue to try to modify a lackluster mechanic is a disappointing direction; particularly given that we just got the Infernal Enrapturess doing that. It sounds like the tick will do something like "you can re-roll summon rolls!"....that you would never make in the first place.

I think the master of possesion will work buffing units and not summoning demons.

Bloody hell! What a day to lose your Internet connection. Let's do this, from the top:

Blades of Khorne - Cool. I have tons of Chaos stuff that can be used in AoS simply through gradual build-up of Chaos forces. Good that Khorne will have an updated set of rules.

Plastic Skulltaker - The plastic Kanarak was a great way to take a(n obviously very old) metal miniature and update it with modern plastics. This take on Skulltaker is far more dynamic than the old one, and I am once again glad I held off ever getting the metal heralds (with the exception of that horrific metal Herald on Jugger... I do reget that). Very nice model.

Khorne Totally-Not-Endless Spells - Evocative, gory and wonderful. I can find a 40K use for them. The bleeding Icon would make a wonderful focal point for a Black Crusade Khornate ritual.

Forbidden Power - More Sigmarines? How original.

Warhammer Warcry - To vague to care about now.

Syvaneth Skirmish Group - Chick with the bow's nice. Rest of them don't do it for me.

Shadowspear - Now we're getting into the meat. I wonder if this is just a big expansion of 8th Ed 2.0?

Vanguard Librarian - Possibly the best Primaris miniature they've ever made, and one of the best looking Marines to come out in years. And I hate Primaris Marines.

Eliminators - The rifles are cool, but they're just Primaris Scouts. And the slow march to the eventual Squatting of all regular Marines continues.

Master of Possessions - Couldn't just make a plastic Dark Apostle, could'ja Geedubs? Had to go and make something new. Nifty model though.

Chaos Space Marines - I have a massive CSM army. These will work as Chosen. Unfortunately I am 99% certain that this will be a sprue of 5 mono-pose models with limited options, and there will be two sprues of these guys in the box, just like all the Primaris Marine boxes. No options outside of the limited arm swaps the kit will have (one body can have a bolter or a flamer, another can have a bolter or a plasma gun). And I am dreading new options being there with older kit options simply not being there any more (a bunch of new guns rather than Heavy Bolter/Autocannon/Missile Launcher/Lascannon). There better be some new Havoc coming with this...

Suffice to say it, the day of these kind of kits is over. We're in the endgame now.

Obliterator - I've been waiting for plastic Obliterators for a long time. This guy (and the one you can see in the video) is super-fething-cool, even if the paintjob and big muscle arms did immediately make me think of this guy. I hope, to all the Gods of Chaos, that this is a 3 per box thing, and not a Dread-sized units of 1-3 but boxes of 1 for the price of stupid.

Venomcrawler - Firstly, major props to GW for creating a subtle name for this new creation. It's still a Nounverb, but given they could have called it a Skuttlesplice Razorfiend or Bladevice Skullcrawler or some other such double-barrelled bit of God-awful nonsense like so many other recent units, Venomcrawler is a nice choice. It is also, from what we can see, far more a Daemon Engine than a Daemon Engine. So more Defiler than Dinobot. That's good. Very good even.

Sister of Battle - She looks like a Sister of Battle. This can only be a good thing.

New Primaris Lieutenant - He has arms. That's... surprising.

Overall very, very good, but I have a feeling that new CSMs and plastic Oblits are going to be a case-study for "be careful what you wish for", especially in this post-CHS world GW now lives in.

 Galas wrote:
I think the master of possesion will work buffing units and not summoning demons.

And probably a way to dish out Mortal Wounds, because 8th Ed.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Huh, interesting. So the vanguard librarian is just an HQ choice, he just has different powers to a primaris librarian?

I like how the vanguard helmets are similar to that of the normal marine helmets. I guess its if you prefer armor that looks more like pre-Mk X armor.

He's almost definitely an HQ choice simply because he is a Librarian and thus a major Marine character, albeit in a different suit of armor. But as such no different than a Terminator or Gravis character. Maybe he'll have a new lore, or maybe not. The basic difference that's pretty much guarantueed to be reflected in his rules will be his wargear. He wears sneaky armor and has a camo cloak, so he'll likely have a rule akin to what you may find on Scouts and Reivers.

 Galas wrote:
I think the master of possesion will work buffing units and not summoning demons.

Likely both since he's still a Chaos Marine character and should thus have access to the generic faction summoning rule. But I agree, he's probably going to get a buff arau working off of the Daemon keyword.

The 40k LVO stream will start very soon on warhammer tvs twitch stream. Frontline gaming is doing AoS, just a FYI

Perhaps our own specialist detachments will be tied to the Possessor guy.

 Geifer wrote:

 Galas wrote:
I think the master of possesion will work buffing units and not summoning demons.

Likely both since he's still a Chaos Marine character and should thus have access to the generic faction summoning rule. But I agree, he's probably going to get a buff arau working off of the Daemon keyword.

I'm hoping it is a buff that will be useful for both melee daemons, like Possessed, and ranged daemons, like the Obliterators and Defilers. If it only benefits one of the other I think it will be a pity.

 Haighus wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 Galas wrote:
I think the master of possesion will work buffing units and not summoning demons.

Likely both since he's still a Chaos Marine character and should thus have access to the generic faction summoning rule. But I agree, he's probably going to get a buff arau working off of the Daemon keyword.

I'm hoping it is a buff that will be useful for both melee daemons, like Possessed, and ranged daemons, like the Obliterators and Defilers. If it only benefits one of the other I think it will be a pity.

True. And wouldn't that be fun? But knowing GW's general attitude towards Chaos I'll assume it will be melee exclusive.