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The fact the foot is in the Rumor Daemon Engine pretty much seals it as a new Possessed to me. I just hope they look really good. The old ones are...eh. I would be fine with the Master of Possession, 10 CSM, 5 Possessed, and the Tick. Especially if that translates to similar volumes of figures for the Space Marines (I really don't want there to be a ton of characters in the box). Hopefully some sort of vehicle or Dreadnought is in there for the SM. I would actually really like for there to be some sort of manned Walker for the SM like the Ironstrider. But the SM would be aping Star Wars way too much with that.

But the rumor engine of the vehicle top pretty much indicates some sort of speeder. I am hoping for a transport, but I would be fine with some sort of Anti-Tank weapons platform.

Yeah I think it’s a lead up to the full box set reveal more than the typical rumour engine thing of hinting at stuff that isn’t coming for ages. The set up and everything is obviously different and seems like they’re teasing until the full reveal. So I would be surprised if they were hinting at Wulfen and these weren’t hints at new possessed.
I could be wrong though obviously but that’s just what I think.

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
Can anyone fill me in on what the Gal Vorbak are like? I don't know 30k stats.

Speaking as someone with a unit of them and who has played games with them in action (in addition to what has already been said):

The thing with the Gal Vorbak is that they were a huge jump up from 40k possessed when they came out.

And I mean huge. 40k possessed have been a bit of a joke since as far back as I can remember. They have always had the problem of having basic marine durability, but being very expensive (which is bad because basic marines are already overcosted for their durability). Going from T4 W1 to T5 W2 is a massive jump in durability (their statline is filled with 5s, really) and allowed minimum squads to deepstrike in and threaten enemy units on their own, something that possessed have never been able to do historically. Their slew of special rules are potent (high volume of Rending attacks is useful against all targets), but probably my favourite part of them is the unit champion, who sports +1 LD, WS, wounds and attacks as well as a range of special weapon options and the ability to take artificier armour. The result is a unit champion easily able to take on and defeat most HQs 1 on 1, which was always a nasty surprise for the opponent.

Obviously 8th is an extremely lethal environment and even if you ported them directly to 40k the Gal Vorbak wouldn't last long. But the sheer contrast from possessed made them truly something to behold.

If GW were to lift something from 30k into 40k for Chaos, I'd be just as interested if not more in the Mhara Gal. That thing is like my favourite model ever - model design, usefulness and extremely flavourful rules. It's just an absolute terror.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The fact the foot is in the Rumor Daemon Engine pretty much seals it as a new Possessed to me. I just hope they look really good. The old ones are...eh. I would be fine with the Master of Possession, 10 CSM, 5 Possessed, and the Tick. Especially if that translates to similar volumes of figures for the Space Marines (I really don't want there to be a ton of characters in the box). Hopefully some sort of vehicle or Dreadnought is in there for the SM. I would actually really like for there to be some sort of manned Walker for the SM like the Ironstrider. But the SM would be aping Star Wars way too much with that.

But the rumor engine of the vehicle top pretty much indicates some sort of speeder. I am hoping for a transport, but I would be fine with some sort of Anti-Tank weapons platform.

Am I the only one who thinks a fast transport air speeder would be awesome? Because everyone I've heard mention a Primairs Speeder always assumes it would be just like the old ones and be kited for other uses instead of transport...

 Togusa wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The fact the foot is in the Rumor Daemon Engine pretty much seals it as a new Possessed to me. I just hope they look really good. The old ones are...eh. I would be fine with the Master of Possession, 10 CSM, 5 Possessed, and the Tick. Especially if that translates to similar volumes of figures for the Space Marines (I really don't want there to be a ton of characters in the box). Hopefully some sort of vehicle or Dreadnought is in there for the SM. I would actually really like for there to be some sort of manned Walker for the SM like the Ironstrider. But the SM would be aping Star Wars way too much with that.

But the rumor engine of the vehicle top pretty much indicates some sort of speeder. I am hoping for a transport, but I would be fine with some sort of Anti-Tank weapons platform.

Am I the only one who thinks a fast transport air speeder would be awesome? Because everyone I've heard mention a Primairs Speeder always assumes it would be just like the old ones and be kited for other uses instead of transport...

I think it'd be awesome. I would be in favor of something like the catacomb command barge that can be built as an annihilation barge as well.

Vigilus Defiant page 124 wrote:
7.230 Post: A Terrifying Find
On Nemendghast, an Ultramarines Vanguard strike force discovers the corrupted Black Legion flesh-factory known as the Forge Infernus. Though heavily outnumbered by Daemonkin warriors led by the Master of Possession Vorash Soulflayer, the Ultramarines battle-brothers launch a sabotage operation, crippling the corrupted forge. Their victory comes at great cost; of the strike force, only the Librarian Maltis escapes the planet to warn Calgar of the threat lurking at the edge of the Vigilus System with his fellow battle-brothers recorded missing in action.

I went back into Vigilus Defiant today, remembering a bit about Black Legion in Vigilus before the whole bit about the Worldclaimer was supposed to occur chronologically. Looking back, damn--I can't believe I missed the Vanguard, Daemonkin, and Master of Possession callouts in the book.

I'm now going to double down on my speculation that it's not just a new Possessed kit potentially, but rather a double kit that includes a more nasty version that would be the "Daemonkin".

Well, as I am accustomed by this point my response was completely ignored, but once again, I was told by a GW employee that the kits are multipart, the possessed are a new Gal Vorbak style unit, and the obliterators are the same as the codex.

 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:
Well, as I am accustomed by this point my response was completely ignored, but once again, I was told by a GW employee that the kits are multipart, the possessed are a new Gal Vorbak style unit, and the obliterators are the same as the codex.

Thanks for sharing man. Very interesting information if indeed true. Multipart would be cool, and will likely mean that all units in the box will be released separately at some point, instead of possibly staying exclusive to this box. Hopefully that means the old Chaos Marines will finally go the way of the dodo and be replaced by these awesome-looking new dudes.

 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:
Well, as I am accustomed by this point my response was completely ignored, but once again, I was told by a GW employee that the kits are multipart, the possessed are a new Gal Vorbak style unit, and the obliterators are the same as the codex.

If it makes you feel better, it wasn't simply that you were ignored but rather that I wanted to share the specifics of that blurb from Vigilus Defiant. Also I hadn't read or really 'digested' your posts in context of this.

That said, I'd be interested for you to fire back the term "Daemonkin" at them and see the reaction you get.
The multipart bit was always guaranteed, despite the constant posts about Easy to Build stuff. It just isn't happening unless they depart from the normal setup of these battleboxes.

 Kanluwen wrote:
The multipart bit was always guaranteed, despite the constant posts about Easy to Build stuff. It just isn't happening unless they depart from the normal setup of these battleboxes.

This pleases me.

When and how do you think we'll get the Vanguard's Kill-Team rules?

 Kanluwen wrote:
The multipart bit was always guaranteed, despite the constant posts about Easy to Build stuff. It just isn't happening unless they depart from the normal setup of these battleboxes.

As the main advocate for the ETB stuff (I think I was the only one really pushing it) I would like to clarify, that I never intending to imply or suggest that there would not be full multi-part kits. That, as you say, was always a given.

I just really, really, really, really hope there are ALSO 3-man ETB kits for the Eliminators and Chaos Marines. Either released at the same time, or a few weeks later.

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But the Deamonkin bit is interesting. I wonder what the difference will be. Maybe Possessed are Marines with the Daemons inhabiting them, while the Daemonkin are the next level in which those Marines are effectively "gone" and it's full the Daemon now.

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If you say this is a marine and a daemon fused together you expect something more significant than chaos currently gets.

Aesthetically they have been all over the place in an non-cohesive way. Gal Vorbak showed us that you can have crazy possessed marines that have visual cohesiveness without giving up any of their unique character.

The only consistent theme to their rules over the years, has been to be random and hard to predict, which makes them unreliable.

Within the wider context its baffling that the Inquisition can have daemonhosts, which are effectively non-marine possessed... and yet the difference between human and daemonhost is so different than marine and possessed. Daemons are gonna do what daemons are gonna do, so setting that aside... more than our angry marines, our witchy marines, our squish marines, or our loud marines, they are supernatural.

Possessed really should be one of those units that really distinguishes chaos in every facet of the hobby. When you say Possessed you'd like to atleast imagine something at a similar level to a Bloodletter or Plaguebearer inhabiting the CSM, but what we have is more like a nurgling in a marine.

This is to say I welcome anything GW does to improve them.

 Galef wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
The multipart bit was always guaranteed, despite the constant posts about Easy to Build stuff. It just isn't happening unless they depart from the normal setup of these battleboxes.

As the main advocate for the ETB stuff (I think I was the only one really pushing it) I would like to clarify, that I never intending to imply or suggest that there would not be full multi-part kits. That, as you say, was always a given.

I just really, really, really, really hope there are ALSO 3-man ETB kits for the Eliminators and Chaos Marines. Either released at the same time, or a few weeks later.

There likely won't be. I do think the lead time between this and whatever the releases are supposed to be for the next 'phase' of things is going to be shorter than it's been for past releases, but I can't see them cannibalizing the sales that the ETB would bring vs the 'big boxes'.

But the Deamonkin bit is interesting. I wonder what the difference will be. Maybe Possessed are Marines with the Daemons inhabiting them, while the Daemonkin are the next level in which those Marines are effectively "gone" and it's full the Daemon now.

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Said before, saying again: I'm wondering if these are some kind of 'characters' that can function as assassins effectively.

They've been dipping into some lore that was really on the fringe, would be kinda cool to see a Heretic Astartes version of "Spear" from the Nemesis novel.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:
Well, as I am accustomed by this point my response was completely ignored, but once again, I was told by a GW employee that the kits are multipart, the possessed are a new Gal Vorbak style unit, and the obliterators are the same as the codex.

If it makes you feel better, it wasn't simply that you were ignored but rather that I wanted to share the specifics of that blurb from Vigilus Defiant. Also I hadn't read or really 'digested' your posts in context of this.

That said, I'd be interested for you to fire back the term "Daemonkin" at them and see the reaction you get.
The multipart bit was always guaranteed, despite the constant posts about Easy to Build stuff. It just isn't happening unless they depart from the normal setup of these battleboxes.

Daemonkin was a thing in 7th edition - the Khorne Daemonkin army list which combined Chaos Space Marines and daemons. The reference you quoted could point to a new unit type, a resurrection of that 7th edition faction or a broadening of it to cover the other three gods.

 Insane Ivan wrote:

 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:
Well, as I am accustomed by this point my response was completely ignored, but once again, I was told by a GW employee that the kits are multipart, the possessed are a new Gal Vorbak style unit, and the obliterators are the same as the codex.

Thanks for sharing man. Very interesting information if indeed true. Multipart would be cool, and will likely mean that all units in the box will be released separately at some point, instead of possibly staying exclusive to this box. Hopefully that means the old Chaos Marines will finally go the way of the dodo and be replaced by these awesome-looking new dudes.

Ah yes, the classic "I heard from an employee".

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:
Well, as I am accustomed by this point my response was completely ignored, but once again, I was told by a GW employee that the kits are multipart, the possessed are a new Gal Vorbak style unit, and the obliterators are the same as the codex.

If it makes you feel better, it wasn't simply that you were ignored but rather that I wanted to share the specifics of that blurb from Vigilus Defiant. Also I hadn't read or really 'digested' your posts in context of this.

That said, I'd be interested for you to fire back the term "Daemonkin" at them and see the reaction you get.
The multipart bit was always guaranteed, despite the constant posts about Easy to Build stuff. It just isn't happening unless they depart from the normal setup of these battleboxes.

Daemonkin was a thing in 7th edition - the Khorne Daemonkin army list which combined Chaos Space Marines and daemons. The reference you quoted could point to a new unit type, a resurrection of that 7th edition faction or a broadening of it to cover the other three gods.

Yes, Daemonkin was an army in 7th edition--it also was promptly dropped. The reference I quoted refers to it as a unit, not an army.

the size of that claw

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Insane Ivan wrote:

 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:
Well, as I am accustomed by this point my response was completely ignored, but once again, I was told by a GW employee that the kits are multipart, the possessed are a new Gal Vorbak style unit, and the obliterators are the same as the codex.

Thanks for sharing man. Very interesting information if indeed true. Multipart would be cool, and will likely mean that all units in the box will be released separately at some point, instead of possibly staying exclusive to this box. Hopefully that means the old Chaos Marines will finally go the way of the dodo and be replaced by these awesome-looking new dudes.

Ah yes, the classic "I heard from an employee".

Means it's a lead-pipe lock to happen. Tossing my old CSMs right now.

Love it...now show me tzeentch mutations!


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 techsoldaten wrote:
Tossing my old CSMs right now.

I did that when BF came out.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Love it...now show me tzeentch mutations!


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 techsoldaten wrote:
Tossing my old CSMs right now.

I did that when BF came out.

I understand pure Servants of the Abyss armies did well at LVO.

Wait! ... we got a backpack with an eye, a foot paw, and now a hand claw.. maybe next is something related to nurgle

 aracersss wrote:
the size of that claw

Spoiler:

When I first saw this, I was like

Night Goblins??

Giant Chaos Spawn.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Giant Chaos Spawn.

A model that would never be purchased since they bumped its point cost into uselessness.

Interesting so the ultras lost a battle.

 Asherian Command wrote:
Interesting so the ultras lost a battle.

That claw belongs to a Keeper of Secrets.

The big eye on that claw looks like something very pleasing is happening to it.

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3697b5c04946a5786536321a7940cab26f712ecd3b11fd8617575ca788124298.jpg

Someone over at Warseer posted an older image featuring Winged Chaos Marines. Which could share a boxset with Possessed, though we already have two different jumpack units, one specifically aimed for close combats. So I'm not sure if flying possessed would even be something GW would consider making.

 techsoldaten wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Love it...now show me tzeentch mutations!


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 techsoldaten wrote:
Tossing my old CSMs right now.

I did that when BF came out.

I understand pure Servants of the Abyss armies did well at LVO.

I'm just ready to ditch my old models. BF was the indicator that they were on the way.