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What I see


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 Elbows wrote:
Bizarre marine is bizarre.

-Unique helmet.
-Unique auto-cannon/belt fed cannon
-Grav chute vanes...but not as big as Inceptor?
-Grav boots ala Inceptor
-Winglets on the boots/greaves

....all I see:

It has much more in common with the Nemo(thrusters on the upper back and also on the legs). But the 180 mm Cannon of the Gundam Ground Type is not belt-fed. It has a magazine. But you weren't the first person to make the connection.

Kindly do not attach non-wargaming images to your posts

 Kanluwen wrote:
At this point, my only disappointment is that it's an Ultramarines set instead of Raven Guard.

I've got a can of black spray paint that says it's not an Ultramarine set. He's got a bigger vote in the matter than the box art.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
At this point, my only disappointment is that it's an Ultramarines set instead of Raven Guard.

I've got a can of black spray paint that says it's not an Ultramarine set. He's got a bigger vote in the matter than the box art.

I'm in agreement with you that it likely is a "generic" set. My only concern is that "Captain" in the background of the Shadowspear art--if it really is a Primaris Telion like I've speculated upon...that'll be annoying.

I will say that it is quite entertaining that we know that only the Librarian survives the events of the battlebox though.

MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Crimson_ wrote:
Please be Predator Autocannons with Strength 8, please GW.

This is hopefully the much needed heavy fire support for Primaris Marines. We only need a cheap transport now.

GW has my money for this box.

I'd imagine the gun would be more like the Tartaros reaper auto autocannon. maybe s6

definitely echo the cheaper transport.

Manportible weapons shouldnt be more powerful than those carried on tanks and knights. Given primaris weapons, id think 6 in extra range and an extra ap over a normal autocannon.

You can take out a main battle tank with a RPG, so man-portable heavy firepower can easily be achieved.

I forgot to mention this before but if you look at the center of the image on the ground you can see the three snipers so I think that pretty well confirms that there's only three in a squad.

 Kanluwen wrote:
At this point, my only disappointment is that it's an Ultramarines set instead of Raven Guard.

But hey we know the Ultramarines lose! Thanks Vigilus Defiant!

I completely agree. That artwork would look incredible if they would have used Raven Guard instead. Not to mention, I think Raven Guard black would make the sample models look far more attractive. Or at least, easier to get behind a powered armored giant wearing a camo cloak is accomplishing anything.

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
At this point, my only disappointment is that it's an Ultramarines set instead of Raven Guard.

But hey we know the Ultramarines lose! Thanks Vigilus Defiant!

I completely agree. That artwork would look incredible if they would have used Raven Guard instead. Not to mention, I think Raven Guard black would make the sample models look far more attractive. Or at least, easier to get behind a powered armored giant wearing a camo cloak is accomplishing anything.

they cant have anyone else steal the spotlight!

Maybe but ultramarines are the studio army for vanilla marines. typically in boxed sets the focus will be on the studio army so they can paint it up. it's telling that the only space wolf primaris models I saw in the SW codex was the stuff from tooth and claw

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I forgot to mention this before but if you look at the center of the image on the ground you can see the three snipers so I think that pretty well confirms that there's only three in a squad.

I think that's two snipers and the librarian, actually. It would map with the rest of the video.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
At this point, my only disappointment is that it's an Ultramarines set instead of Raven Guard.

I've got a can of black spray paint that says it's not an Ultramarine set. He's got a bigger vote in the matter than the box art.

I'm in agreement with you that it likely is a "generic" set. My only concern is that "Captain" in the background of the Shadowspear art--if it really is a Primaris Telion like I've speculated upon...that'll be annoying.

I will say that it is quite entertaining that we know that only the Librarian survives the events of the battlebox though.

Of course he survives, hes the protagonist of the anime.

But that lets me to think that pseudo Telion is not a Primaris-Telion but a primaris liutenaunt that is basically Primaris-Not-Telion. I can't understand why, but if he was Telion I assume he would be the "protagonist" and not this random Librarian.

 Kanluwen wrote:

I'm in agreement with you that it likely is a "generic" set. My only concern is that "Captain" in the background of the Shadowspear art--if it really is a Primaris Telion like I've speculated upon...that'll be annoying.

Again, my can of black spray paint says that that "Telion" may end up become... Tolien. With a dark beard.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

I'm in agreement with you that it likely is a "generic" set. My only concern is that "Captain" in the background of the Shadowspear art--if it really is a Primaris Telion like I've speculated upon...that'll be annoying.

Again, my can of black spray paint says that that "Telion" may end up become... Tolien. With a dark beard.

The issue is, if they give us Telion and he doesn't map to miniature with rules, that is a wasted model. I really hope they don't do something stupid like that. Generics are better. I wasn't too thrilled with Tooth and Claw either, though that was Space Wolves WITH Space Wolves upgrades. If GW puts an Ultramarine character in there without UM upgrades for the rest of the models, that blows.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The issue is, if they give us Telion and he doesn't map to miniature with rules, that is a wasted model. I really hope they don't do something stupid like that. Generics are better. I wasn't too thrilled with Tooth and Claw either, though that was Space Wolves WITH Space Wolves upgrades. If GW puts an Ultramarine character in there without UM upgrades for the rest of the models, that blows.

Well, that's a "Vanguard Sergeant" at worst, if it is Telion.

 Galas wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
At this point, my only disappointment is that it's an Ultramarines set instead of Raven Guard.

I've got a can of black spray paint that says it's not an Ultramarine set. He's got a bigger vote in the matter than the box art.

I'm in agreement with you that it likely is a "generic" set. My only concern is that "Captain" in the background of the Shadowspear art--if it really is a Primaris Telion like I've speculated upon...that'll be annoying.

I will say that it is quite entertaining that we know that only the Librarian survives the events of the battlebox though.

Of course he survives, hes the protagonist of the anime.
.

Perhaps another genre is a better choice. Anime protagonists regularly suffer tragic/noble/horrifying/laughable ends. Sometimes simultaneously.

I suppose it depends of the anime. Is more probably for the protagonist to die in a 12 episode anime than in a longer one.

 Galas wrote:

But that lets me to think that pseudo Telion is not a Primaris-Telion but a primaris liutenaunt that is basically Primaris-Not-Telion. I can't understand why, but if he was Telion I assume he would be the "protagonist" and not this random Librarian.

We know there's a Lieutenant in the art.


Foreground, guy with the Grav-Chute pack and combat knife out.

The "not Telion" is a Captain, assuming the trend of the red braids and the like on Captains is repeated here.

Honestly my only concern is that if it is an actual Telion model, it means that it's another Ultramarines character in lieu of a new type of Captain that everyone could field in <Chapter> Vanguard forces.

Even though I play Ultramarines I care more about a Lt. that can deep strike than a "new" character

 Galas wrote:
I suppose it depends of the anime. Is more probably for the protagonist to die in a 12 episode anime than in a longer one.

Someone needs to watch Legend of Galactic Heroes!

So very, very long. So many dead protagonists.

(Also Dragonballzzz. But I don't recommend actually watching that).


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Finally got a chance to watch the video. All that jabber about dark industry at the end makes me thing of Dark Mechanicus. And then I think, no, that's unlikely. And then I think of Blackstone and the actual DM models they've already made, and I think of hope.

Voss wrote:

 Galas wrote:
I suppose it depends of the anime. Is more probably for the protagonist to die in a 12 episode anime than in a longer one.

Someone needs to watch Legend of Galactic Heroes!

So very, very long. So many dead protagonists.

(Also Dragonballzzz. But I don't recommend actually watching that).


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Finally got a chance to watch the video. All that jabber about dark industry at the end makes me thing of Dark Mechanicus. And then I think, no, that's unlikely. And then I think of Blackstone and the actual DM models they've already made, and I think of hope.

Don't forget the Chaos tick amd the Obliterators, which also somewhat fit a Dark Mechanicus theme!

The Ultramarines undead grade sprue comes with an old guy with a beard head, so just because it’s an old guy with a beard doesn’t mean it’s Telion.

 Haighus wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Galas wrote:
I suppose it depends of the anime. Is more probably for the protagonist to die in a 12 episode anime than in a longer one.

Someone needs to watch Legend of Galactic Heroes!

So very, very long. So many dead protagonists.

(Also Dragonballzzz. But I don't recommend actually watching that).


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Finally got a chance to watch the video. All that jabber about dark industry at the end makes me thing of Dark Mechanicus. And then I think, no, that's unlikely. And then I think of Blackstone and the actual DM models they've already made, and I think of hope.

Don't forget the Chaos tick amd the Obliterators, which also somewhat fit a Dark Mechanicus theme!

Do we really need dark admech? Shouldn't the lost and the damned get a dex first?
On the other hand more daemonengines are never bad

 Crazyterran wrote:
The Ultramarines undead grade sprue comes with an old guy with a beard head, so just because it’s an old guy with a beard doesn’t mean it’s Telion.

Yeah, I'm thinking more and more that he won't be actually Telion but I don't think it was strange people tought he would be Primaris Telion with how similar they look and after Calgar.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Haighus wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Galas wrote:
I suppose it depends of the anime. Is more probably for the protagonist to die in a 12 episode anime than in a longer one.

Someone needs to watch Legend of Galactic Heroes!

So very, very long. So many dead protagonists.

(Also Dragonballzzz. But I don't recommend actually watching that).


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Finally got a chance to watch the video. All that jabber about dark industry at the end makes me thing of Dark Mechanicus. And then I think, no, that's unlikely. And then I think of Blackstone and the actual DM models they've already made, and I think of hope.

Don't forget the Chaos tick amd the Obliterators, which also somewhat fit a Dark Mechanicus theme!

Do we really need dark admech? Shouldn't the lost and the damned get a der first?
On the other hand more daemonengines are never bad

Considering the Negavolt cultists were in BSF, I wouldn't be surprised if the two factions were rolled in together.

The more I think about those "Devastator Primaris" the more I think we are missing something. I doubt those are auto cannons, at least not standard auto cannons anyway. What would be the advantage over Helblasters?

It would be like taking Helblasters and swapping AP and overcharge for range and deep strike. If you want deepstrike with strength 7 just use Inceptors. Situationally useful, but not that great. These guys must have either strength 8 auto cannons, or more shots or both.

Offtopic but I gotta say Plasma Inceptors perform for me every game

 cuda1179 wrote:
The more I think about those "Devastator Primaris" the more I think we are missing something. I doubt those are auto cannons, at least not standard auto cannons anyway. What would be the advantage over Helblasters?

It would be like taking Helblasters and swapping AP and overcharge for range and deep strike. If you want deepstrike with strength 7 just use Inceptors. Situationally useful, but not that great. These guys must have either strength 8 auto cannons, or more shots or both.

Keep in mind these are Vanguard Primaris space Marines, covert operations units etc, so we should adjust our expectations to match. I suspect high speed, high mobility is going to be their thing, raw damage output is something that I'd expect to see the focus of the unit being mobility and sneaky tactics. I'd not be suprised to see the 2nd vigilus book give us vanguard detachments with some stratigiums too

 cuda1179 wrote:
The more I think about those "Devastator Primaris" the more I think we are missing something. I doubt those are auto cannons, at least not standard auto cannons anyway. What would be the advantage over Helblasters?

It would be like taking Helblasters and swapping AP and overcharge for range and deep strike. If you want deepstrike with strength 7 just use Inceptors. Situationally useful, but not that great. These guys must have either strength 8 auto cannons, or more shots or both.

They need a missile launcher, multi-melta and heavy bolter analogue for the Primaris so they can combine with hellblasters to form Primaris devastator equivalents.
They will also be useful when intercessors are changed to allow a heavy and special weapon ala tac marines later on.

 Galas wrote:

Of course he survives, hes the protagonist of the anime.

Thats not an anime trope (Its not even a trope). In the vast majority of fiction ever created the protagonist survives.

 Albertorius wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I forgot to mention this before but if you look at the center of the image on the ground you can see the three snipers so I think that pretty well confirms that there's only three in a squad.

I think that's two snipers and the librarian, actually. It would map with the rest of the video.

Eh, one of the dudes in the video is the Primaris dude with a beard that people keep saying is Telion, who doesn't have a cloak.