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So, will there be a new Space Marine Codex?

Then that strange situation where Space Wolves, Blood Angels and Dark Angels don't get any new toys because they have their own Codex?

I think there will be a new space marine codex in 2019.

Marleymoo wrote:
So, will there be a new Space Marine Codex?

Then that strange situation where Space Wolves, Blood Angels and Dark Angels don't get any new toys because they have their own Codex?

I doubt it. I am sure there will be an add-on book though. I wouldn't expect to see a new codex until we get 8E 2.0 like what happened for AoS 2.0 for Stormcast. Hopefully the add-on book will be able to be used for all Space Marine Chapters though. It is really annoying when the non-Codex Space Marines Chapters have to sit and wait for their update.

We've had units added to codexes in supplement books like this before. I'm pretty sure the ghostkeel was added that way, for example. Not sure about the stormsurge.

We can expect datasheets for these guys to be in the box and/or in the book that comes with vigilus part 2. It doesn't necessarily mean a new marine codex, though that would be quite welcome.

I could see a case now for a seperate primaris codex. The issue for marines at the moment is that there are just so many units in their list. It bloats the book enormously compared to any other codex - meaning GW actually charges more for the thing!

keep in mind that when the original SM codex came out, blood angel, dark angel and space wolf players where outright enchouraged to just use the codex space marines rules until thir own dex dropped. that said my guess is that we'll see a the unit sheets in the Sequal book to vigilusdefiant

Would it be a safe bet that these new units would be in the second Vigilis book, right?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Would it be a safe bet that these new units would be in the second Vigilis book, right?

I would put money on the fact that they will be. Though undoubtedly, they will just have their rules included in the boxed set itself. Having rules for a bunch of new Primaris and the Chaos Tick (and likely more) would eat up a lot of space in Vigilus 2. Though perhaps not. It could probably get done in ten pages or less. We will have to wait and see.

Yeah, bear in mind that going forward Vigilus is just the start, and these campaign books are a lot of what we will get going forward.
They can’t redo several books each time one comes out with new units.
They’ll just be in there and you get the book, saying give it any of the tags for SM, DA, BA, SW etc.

Also the Telion thing, I think it’s just a guy. Someone saw the look of Telion in there, and it’s spiralled since.
I think it will just be some guy with a name, to make one of the two exclusive characters for the set.

On that, I can’t see how they aren’t going to be multi part.
It follows the format that they mention themselves in the article where they list Forgebane and the other sets. Then they even say, but this one “will be all new stuff!” with excitement,
It’s not like they say that when a new starter box comes out for the Edition - look all new sculpts, as they obviously are. I think the fact they took the time to make that a point just further compounds that they are just new kits..

I would be surprised if that happens. They would probably release two minidexes instead to milk that recurrent spending.

I think a new Space Marine codex is very possible considering Stormcast Eternals got 2 Battletomes during AoS 1.0, one just after launch and a new one when the Vanguard stuff was released. AoS 2.0 came and they got another new battletome.

Yeah I could see a new Space Marine and Chaos book coming

DiscoKing wrote:
I think a new Space Marine codex is very possible considering Stormcast Eternals got 2 Battletomes during AoS 1.0, one just after launch and a new one when the Vanguard stuff was released. AoS 2.0 came and they got another new battletome.

It's worth mentioning that Vanguard for Stormcast were seemingly intended to be their own battletome, just like they did with the Stormcast Extremis(Dracoth Riders and Stardrake). That's why there was a new book when the Vanguard stuff was released--they'd ceased the Extremis book, added the new stuff that some armies were getting(Relics, Warlord Traits, etc) in and called it a day.

If we're kinda/sorta lucky, this Shadow Spear box will include a minidex that tells you how the army would interact for the various flavors of Power Armor.


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Mandragola wrote:
We've had units added to codexes in supplement books like this before. I'm pretty sure the ghostkeel was added that way, for example. Not sure about the stormsurge.

The Ghostkeel, Stormsurge, and Breachers all came as part of the Damocles Gulf book but also they printed revised copies of the Tau Empire book if you wanted to go that route.

We can expect datasheets for these guys to be in the box and/or in the book that comes with vigilus part 2. It doesn't necessarily mean a new marine codex, though that would be quite welcome.
I could see a case now for a seperate primaris codex. The issue for marines at the moment is that there are just so many units in their list. It bloats the book enormously compared to any other codex - meaning GW actually charges more for the thing!

If I'm wishlisting/dreaming...Vanguard would get their own book, with rules in it for Space Wolves, Deathwatch, etc.

Using them with most chapters should really be as straightforward as swapping out the chapter keyword and using the rules from the appropriate codex. IMO the real problem child of the SM line for adding the Vanguard is the Deathwatch and there mixed squads.

Marleymoo wrote:
So, will there be a new Space Marine Codex?

Then that strange situation where Space Wolves, Blood Angels and Dark Angels don't get any new toys because they have their own Codex?

It would be nice to see the other chapters not get a few more things, keep them vanilla exclusive.

Watched the video again and only just noticed the other devestator marine with jump pack flying above. Be interesting if they are single models as opposed to squads, or work in pairs...

Could be a form of anti material rifle as opposed to an auto cannon, however the belt feed does seem to suggest it is more on the autocannon side of things.

I'd like to see primaris get a form of missile launcher, but get missile options, like melta missiles, plasma missiles, virus missiles etc etc

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Another Possessed Backpack?

I'm more curious about the odd use of the word Vanguard with regard to the new units. They almost use it like a type of faction keyword. So...conspiracy time:

1) The rules for these will be in Vigilus Defiant 2...and with so many models and units, it'll make the book sell about nine times more than the first book. Smart business.

2) I've wondered for a while if we'd actually get a Primaris only codex in place of the Space Marine one. Could we see a Primaris Vanguard codex which - conveniently- happen to have the new cool units, some revised rules for older units, better stratagems and psychic powers, but is based solely around Primaris units? This would put the nail in the classic Space Marine coffin (they'd of course still have their original book). This would be happening faster than I assumed originally, but...possible?

3) I'm torn on the Chaos side because I don't see a new Chaos codex coming out, but rather a proper Slaanesh and Khorne based army in place of the original Black Legion...but then we have a couple new units and Abaddon.

4) I think some people would throw a fit over a new codex coming out for either army within "only" two years time, but I also know how hum-drum these armies are compared to the power creep. Personally I'd throw another $30 in to have a better book, or a more enthusiastic book for either army.

 Elbows wrote:

4) I think some people would throw a fit over a new codex coming out for either army within "only" two years time, but I also know how hum-drum these armies are compared to the power creep. Personally I'd throw another $30 in to have a better book, or a more enthusiastic book for either army.

If a new book came out it'd definitely be bitter sweet. But I don't see a new book coming out until the revised 8th Edition book comes out

 Elbows wrote:

4) I think some people would throw a fit over a new codex coming out for either army within "only" two years time, but I also know how hum-drum these armies are compared to the power creep. Personally I'd throw another $30 in to have a better book, or a more enthusiastic book for either army.

I know I’d rather have a new book every two years that some kind of patched on list of a single faction in the codex that makes bookkeeping mire tedious and does nothing for the remainig factions in the book.

I went on about it a bit when the Primaris were originally released, but the size of the SM Codex is really getting a bit much. If GW don't split the SM into Primaris and non Primaris soon, we are going to have a Codex that is nearly the same size as the core book.

Maybe,
But the actual stuff needed for the game is small (one stat line and rules etc), so depends what they think they’ll take out if needed.
I’m not sure whether I’d want them to split it. On the one hand it’d be good, but on the other, you’d get future coded updates to Primaris, and the SM one would just remain the same and slowly drift away to irrelevance..

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Marleymoo wrote:
So, will there be a new Space Marine Codex?

Then that strange situation where Space Wolves, Blood Angels and Dark Angels don't get any new toys because they have their own Codex?

It would be nice to see the other chapters not get a few more things, keep them vanilla exclusive.

Though I agree in some cases, this example would be ridiculous.

New primaris units sent to All chapters - Except DA, BA & SW, and their successors.

I wonder how this Vanguard stuff works organisation wise. Does a Primaris chapter have full Vanguard companies, or are these units in mixed companies with other units?

Honestly as long as Deathwatch get some of these new toys I can't complain.

 Crimson wrote:
I wonder how this Vanguard stuff works organisation wise. Does a Primaris chapter have full Vanguard companies, or are these units in mixed companies with other units?

Looks like mixed companies with other units--at least in the Ultramarines, if the bit revealing Nemendghast is an indicator.

Sender: Librarian Maltis, Ultramarines 2nd Company, Strike Force Shadowspear

Vigilus Defiant also just refers to it as a "Vanguard Strike Force"--not a Vanguard Company or anything.

Maybe Vanguard will be replacing the Scout company with a more diverse special forces group.

GaroRobe wrote:
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Another Possessed Backpack?

Doesn't need to be possessed, but awesome all the same.

Prefer that GW just release a proper Primaris Codex for ALL Marine dexes, same stuff - just different colours.

New info, new stuff, in fact Everyone (Marines) gets cool stuff including for once the other non super Snowflake First Founding Chapters!

Then we don't have the rest of the release schedule clogged with yet more Marines. Well no more than usual.

 fraser1191 wrote:

 Elbows wrote:

4) I think some people would throw a fit over a new codex coming out for either army within "only" two years time, but I also know how hum-drum these armies are compared to the power creep. Personally I'd throw another $30 in to have a better book, or a more enthusiastic book for either army.

If a new book came out it'd definitely be bitter sweet. But I don't see a new book coming out until the revised 8th Edition book comes out

at the LVO studio preview Q&A they confirmed they'll release an updated and small format BRB

Danny76 wrote:
Maybe,
But the actual stuff needed for the game is small (one stat line and rules etc), so depends what they think they’ll take out if needed.
I’m not sure whether I’d want them to split it. On the one hand it’d be good, but on the other, you’d get future coded updates to Primaris, and the SM one would just remain the same and slowly drift away to irrelevance

So just like the model range then I get the emotional attachment to the non Primaris sections. There is a lot of truly iconic 40k content in there. But if the Primaris are going to be the main avenue for SM updates in the future, I'd rather not pay for all that dead weight in every new book.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
Maybe,
But the actual stuff needed for the game is small (one stat line and rules etc), so depends what they think they’ll take out if needed.
I’m not sure whether I’d want them to split it. On the one hand it’d be good, but on the other, you’d get future coded updates to Primaris, and the SM one would just remain the same and slowly drift away to irrelevance

So just like the model range then I get the emotional attachment to the non Primaris sections. There is a lot of truly iconic 40k content in there. But if the Primaris are going to be the main avenue for SM updates in the future, I'd rather not pay for all that dead weight in every new book.

Now you know how every non-Ultramarines or Imperial Fists player feels with every SM codex.