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Sotahullu wrote:
Terminators…

Yea, baby! I'm hiding money right now. Don't tell my wife.

If this is a realy big relaunch (too good to be true even if I had to redo all my current chaos marines/termis when I dont even have time to paint) maybe the posted flamer with handle is:
Update for the vehicle sprue? Could chaos-ify rhinos, preds or LR with appropiate weapons.

OH MY GOD! YES GIVE ME SOME TERMIES. I can't wait to make some Bringers of Despair.

Will they be BIGGER Terminators, though. With nuCSM/TS/DG being a bit smaller than Primaris, will they scale Termi armour to be as tall as Primaris but chunkier? That'd be sooo nice. The DG Termis are a bit of a disappointement and converting bigger CSM Termis a lot less time consuming than Aggressors.

 Binabik15 wrote:
Will they be BIGGER Terminators, though. With nuCSM/TS/DG being a bit smaller than Primaris, will they scale Termi armour to be as tall as Primaris but chunkier? That'd be sooo nice. The DG Termis are a bit of a disappointement and converting bigger CSM Termis a lot less time consuming than Aggressors.

If basic grunts are getting bit bigger then sure is others going.

Something tells me this won't be a replacement of the existing Terminator kit, but a new kind of Possessed Terminator unit.

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 Binabik15 wrote:
Will they be BIGGER Terminators, though. With nuCSM/TS/DG being a bit smaller than Primaris, will they scale Termi armour to be as tall as Primaris but chunkier? That'd be sooo nice. The DG Termis are a bit of a disappointement and converting bigger CSM Termis a lot less time consuming than Aggressors.

I'd bet on it.


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 Galef wrote:
Something tells me this won't be a replacement of the existing Terminator kit, but a new kind of Possessed Terminator unit.

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Nah the art is pretty clear on showing "normal" terminators.

Sotahullu wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:
Will they be BIGGER Terminators, though. With nuCSM/TS/DG being a bit smaller than Primaris, will they scale Termi armour to be as tall as Primaris but chunkier? That'd be sooo nice. The DG Termis are a bit of a disappointement and converting bigger CSM Termis a lot less time consuming than Aggressors.

If basic grunts are getting bit bigger then sure is others going.

Sure, but the Lord of Contagion is kind of wimpy compared to Primaris and the Blight Termis are also not that massive compared to Primaris. Deathshroud have the upper bodies to mstch their size, but they have spindly legs.

That's why I hope that they're not just taller, but more massive. The barrel chest of Gravis armour and its massive legs are what I'd want...just slightly smaller because the "nu-uh, Chaos can't be as tall as Primaris counterparts" thing GW has going on.

Well, there goes my mid-year continent jaunt.

Could be Abaddon’s trophy wrack?

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Something tells me this won't be a replacement of the existing Terminator kit, but a new kind of Possessed Terminator unit.

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Nah the art is pretty clear on showing "normal" terminators.

Fair enough, but that raises the question of just how extensive this release will be. While many of the existing plastic kits are showing their age, regular Marines and Termies are that bad to merit completely new kits over updating, say Berserkers, Noise Marines & Havocs. Hopefully this will end up being a complete redesign in the same vein as Dark Eldar in 5E (6E?)

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No wolves on Fenris wrote:
Could be Abaddon’s trophy wrack?

Nah, you see his shoulders in the teaser trailer for him.

It makes sense if they are new termies, since the new abbadabbadon model will look hilarious next to the plastic chaos termies, ironic since it was the other way around before

I think the idea that it's "because they're that" bad is a bit silly--did you ever consider that it might be because the sculpts are considered poor and they wanted to add new stuff to the Terminators?

I'm sad for my unopened SC! chaos marines, raptor, possessed and terminator box.

But at the same time that means I won't be that regretful of using the helmets of the terminators to make beastmen bullgryns.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I think the idea that it's "because they're that" bad is a bit silly--did you ever consider that it might be because the sculpts are considered poor and they wanted to add new stuff to the Terminators?

Part of why I don't consider this is because SOOO many other models are in much greater need of resculpt. The current plastic Chaos Termies are perfectly adequate compared to Eldar Aspect warriors that are not only still in finecast, but encompass a wider variety of units.

So while agree new Termies would be great, why the feth isn't that effort going into other models that need it more? But I need to stop thinking logically and just accept the GW's gonna do what it wants, even if it makes less sense.

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 Galef wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I think the idea that it's "because they're that" bad is a bit silly--did you ever consider that it might be because the sculpts are considered poor and they wanted to add new stuff to the Terminators?

Part of why I don't consider this is because SOOO many other models are in much greater need of resculpt. The current plastic Chaos Termies are perfectly adequate compared to Eldar Aspect warriors that are not only still in finecast, but encompass a wider variety of units.

So while agree new Termies would be great, why the feth isn't that effort going into other models that need it more? But I need to stop thinking logically and just accept the GW's gonna do what it wants, even if it makes less sense.

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Are Eldar players the new SoB whiners who always need to bring a discussion around to their own army?

 Hanskrampf wrote:

 Galef wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I think the idea that it's "because they're that" bad is a bit silly--did you ever consider that it might be because the sculpts are considered poor and they wanted to add new stuff to the Terminators?

Part of why I don't consider this is because SOOO many other models are in much greater need of resculpt. The current plastic Chaos Termies are perfectly adequate compared to Eldar Aspect warriors that are not only still in finecast, but encompass a wider variety of units.

So while agree new Termies would be great, why the feth isn't that effort going into other models that need it more? But I need to stop thinking logically and just accept the GW's gonna do what it wants, even if it makes less sense.

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Are Eldar players the new SoB whiners who always need to bring a discussion around to their own army?

Aspect warriors are just an easy example, but there are other non-Eldar, non SoB kits that need new kits far more than the Chaos marines/termies/possessed. Including other Chaos models like I mentioned above, such as Berserkers, Noise Marines and Havocs.

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could be, but new termies don't come as a suprise to me really the kit is old and in need of replacement, Termies are popular, closely associated with Abaddon.. the big question is, if we're getting termies if they're normal termy replacements or some kind of black legion body guard unit ala death shrouds

 Galef wrote:

 Hanskrampf wrote:

 Galef wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I think the idea that it's "because they're that" bad is a bit silly--did you ever consider that it might be because the sculpts are considered poor and they wanted to add new stuff to the Terminators?

Part of why I don't consider this is because SOOO many other models are in much greater need of resculpt. The current plastic Chaos Termies are perfectly adequate compared to Eldar Aspect warriors that are not only still in finecast, but encompass a wider variety of units.

So while agree new Termies would be great, why the feth isn't that effort going into other models that need it more? But I need to stop thinking logically and just accept the GW's gonna do what it wants, even if it makes less sense.

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Are Eldar players the new SoB whiners who always need to bring a discussion around to their own army?

Aspect warriors are just an easy example, but there are other non-Eldar, non SoB kits that need new kits far more than the Chaos marines/termies/possessed. Including other Chaos models like I mentioned above, such as Berserkers, Noise Marines and Havocs.

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But Berserkers and Noise Marines are a different army. These guys are blank legion to go with Abaddon, I'd imagine Havocs have a pretty good chance now though.

 Galef wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I think the idea that it's "because they're that" bad is a bit silly--did you ever consider that it might be because the sculpts are considered poor and they wanted to add new stuff to the Terminators?

Part of why I don't consider this is because SOOO many other models are in much greater need of resculpt. The current plastic Chaos Termies are perfectly adequate compared to Eldar Aspect warriors that are not only still in finecast, but encompass a wider variety of units.

So while agree new Termies would be great, why the feth isn't that effort going into other models that need it more? But I need to stop thinking logically and just accept the GW's gonna do what it wants, even if it makes less sense.

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Although finecast, I think the aspect warriors are much better sculpts than the chaos terminator kit.

 Galef wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I think the idea that it's "because they're that" bad is a bit silly--did you ever consider that it might be because the sculpts are considered poor and they wanted to add new stuff to the Terminators?

Part of why I don't consider this is because SOOO many other models are in much greater need of resculpt. The current plastic Chaos Termies are perfectly adequate compared to Eldar Aspect warriors that are not only still in finecast, but encompass a wider variety of units.

So while agree new Termies would be great, why the feth isn't that effort going into other models that need it more? But I need to stop thinking logically and just accept the GW's gonna do what it wants, even if it makes less sense.

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I don't understand why you think GW isn't thinking logically or making sense because they are not doing what you want them to do? Revamping/rebooting the minis to the primary antagonist of their primary protagonists seems to make a hell of a lot of sense to pretty much everybody here. Which is about enough to kill your argument on the logic and sense front.

Just say something like "I don't like this" in a general discussion thread.

If it were Terminators redone (and I dont think a Trophy rack is a clear indication) it would most likely be a Black Legion specific Named Terminator variant, like the Blightlords or Scarab Occult instead of a generic reboot.

So its a safe bet that these Demon Engine previews are not limited to just the contents of the Shadow Spear battle box? New Terminators on top of everything else(new regular CSM, new possessed, new Demon engine and a new character) in the box seems unlikely.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
So its a safe bet that these Demon Engine previews are not limited to just the contents of the Shadow Spear battle box? New Terminators on top of everything else(new regular CSM, new possessed, new Demon engine and a new character) in the box seems unlikely.

Yea it's shaping up to be quite a big potential release. I wonder what else Primaris might kick up.

While I agree CWE still have resin models so they could use some love. But given the context where we're in the middle of a chaos campaign it makes sense.

I expect a good amount of Tau releases when they're featured in a campaign too, or Necrons or whatever

 Galef wrote:

 Hanskrampf wrote:

 Galef wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I think the idea that it's "because they're that" bad is a bit silly--did you ever consider that it might be because the sculpts are considered poor and they wanted to add new stuff to the Terminators?

Part of why I don't consider this is because SOOO many other models are in much greater need of resculpt. The current plastic Chaos Termies are perfectly adequate compared to Eldar Aspect warriors that are not only still in finecast, but encompass a wider variety of units.

So while agree new Termies would be great, why the feth isn't that effort going into other models that need it more? But I need to stop thinking logically and just accept the GW's gonna do what it wants, even if it makes less sense.

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Are Eldar players the new SoB whiners who always need to bring a discussion around to their own army?

Aspect warriors are just an easy example, but there are other non-Eldar, non SoB kits that need new kits far more than the Chaos marines/termies/possessed. Including other Chaos models like I mentioned above, such as Berserkers, Noise Marines and Havocs.

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Who says we're not getting new Berzerkers, Noise Marines, or Havocs?

Additionally, Eldar players need to remember that there was a lot of talk surrounding Ynnari being a "multifaction" look and book.

 fraser1191 wrote:
While I agree CWE still have resin models so they could use some love. But given the context where we're in the middle of a chaos campaign it makes sense.

I expect a good amount of Tau releases when they're featured in a campaign too, or Necrons or whatever

I absolutely agree that in context, it makes very good business sense to focus on the factions prominently featured in a current campaign.
What doesn't make sense is that GW keeps choosing campaigns that have nothing to do with factions that could use the product update. Or missing the opportunity to release the product (the codex release or several 7E campaigns featuring Eldar would have been a great time to update Aspects for example)

It also makes me scratch my head when new kits are released before other, much needed ones even when the faction is being featured in a campaign.
The Obliterators in this release, for example are great. The kit was in dire need of a plastic update. Makes perfect sense. It will also make sense to be a dual kit with Mutilators, but time will tell.
Ya know what else needs an update and fits right in with Black Legion? Havocs. No sign that those are getting an update and they need it FAR more than Termies or Possessed

That. That is what doesn't make sense to me.
It has nothing to do with "my narrative" as an Eldar player that I want Aspect Warriors updated. I don't really even play Aspect Warriors and am skilled enough to convert my own when I do.
I want plastic Aspect Warriors out of a sense of completion. My OCD can't handle the fact that in 2019, the entire GW range is still not plastic
Everything should be made plastic BEFORE new kits are made for existing plastic kits.
It's as frustrating as when factions were getting 2+ Codices in a single edition when older factions were still 2-3 editions behind

 Kanluwen wrote:
Who says we're not getting new Berzerkers, Noise Marines, or Havocs?

If this is a head-to-toe complete product relaunch of most CSM kits, that'd be great.
Heck, if they are holding off on Berserkers/Noise Marines because a WE/EC codex is in the works, that'd be awesome too

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 Daedalus81 wrote:

Yea it's shaping up to be quite a big potential release. I wonder what else Primaris might kick up.

I'm honestly not expecting a whole lot of stuff for the Primaris. I'm thinking this will be about on par with the Stormcast Rangers stuff: A 'core' troop, a couple of heroes, and a specialist set.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
If it were Terminators redone (and I dont think a Trophy rack is a clear indication) it would most likely be a Black Legion specific Named Terminator variant, like the Blightlords or Scarab Occult instead of a generic reboot.

Considering Black Legion are the Chaos equivalent of Ultramarines, I think we are more likely to see a generic kit with a duel build option- the second build may be to make Abaddon's bodyguard or something.