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Still think that this autocannon and the heavy bolter are the 2 heavy weapon options in the CSM kit.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Still think that this autocannon and the heavy bolter are the 2 heavy weapon options in the CSM kit.

Look at the Rumour Engine thread- there seem to be two autocannon designs floating around.

However, that is why I want to see a third heavy weapon confirmed- I think more than two in the basic CSM box is very unlikely.

getting so pumped for this release now

My guess is that the Autocannon is a sponson weapon for the Venomcrawler. Outside possibility of it signifying a new Havoc kit, but I am not convinced.

 aka_mythos wrote:
Don't ask me how Predators get planet side if CSM don't have Thunderhawk transporters, which also retrieve drop pods.

They actually loot all their vehicles from loyalist stockpiles after they make planetfall and discard them when they leave. They do retrieve the spikes and trophy racks though so they can reuse them next time as they generally lack the infrastructure and technological sophistication to easily produce replacement decorations.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
Don't ask me how Predators get planet side if CSM don't have Thunderhawk transporters, which also retrieve drop pods.

They actually loot all their vehicles from loyalist stockpiles after they make planetfall and discard them when they leave. They do retrieve the spikes and trophy racks though so they can reuse them next time as they generally lack the infrastructure and technological sophistication to easily produce replacement decorations.

Those poor Chaos Space Marines will be in for a surprise when they face Primaris and realize that they don't use predators and landraiders.

The should have a story about the chaos marine who oversees the forge where they make all the spikes for their armor.

GaroRobe wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
Don't ask me how Predators get planet side if CSM don't have Thunderhawk transporters, which also retrieve drop pods.

They actually loot all their vehicles from loyalist stockpiles after they make planetfall and discard them when they leave. They do retrieve the spikes and trophy racks though so they can reuse them next time as they generally lack the infrastructure and technological sophistication to easily produce replacement decorations.

Those poor Chaos Space Marines will be in for a surprise when they face Primaris and realize that they don't use predators and landraiders.

Exactly. Not only are almost all their spikes specifically designed for compatibility with the MkIIc Rhino chassis, everyone knows unembiggened marines are physically incapable of riding in floaty tanks. This plot point will feature heavily in the novelization.

If they are power armor heavy weapons they will be pushed as a way to build havocs at the very minimum.

Which makes me think GW puts plants in these rumor threads to stir up dramedy over what GW should or shouldn't do so that they go "boom" when they do both things that are being complained about and ascend to chaos godhood.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand another short story..

That said, it was a pretty awesome one. Cool, stealthy kills. It's abott a Reiver though, maybe there are a new type of Reiver in the box? Or maybe the "Strike Force" that is mentioned at the end is the box contents for the Marines. Sounds more likely.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
My guess is that the Autocannon is a sponson weapon for the Venomcrawler. Outside possibility of it signifying a new Havoc kit, but I am not convinced.

The picture from the Master of Position video has some vague figures in the background that are holding an autocannon that looks exactly like the one in the rumor engine.

The fact that's a regular Autocannon as opposed to a Reaper (the Reaper Autocannon has two barrels, and the Hades Autocannon looks like a Gatling gun) could mean new Havocs or it could be in the CSM kit. It could also be part of a vehicle as those tend to use regular Autocannons or Hades Autocannons, but often not a Reaper Autocannon. There's a barely visible, slightly abstract part on the side that could be a sponson for a vehicle but could also just be the rest of the autocannon that's held. There isn't enough of it to really tell.

 Dulahan wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
My guess is that the Autocannon is a sponson weapon for the Venomcrawler. Outside possibility of it signifying a new Havoc kit, but I am not convinced.

The picture from the Master of Position video has some vague figures in the background that are holding an autocannon that looks exactly like the one in the rumor engine.

It isn't exactly the same- the DE pic has a support strut along the bottom that is absent in the video screenshot. The DE autocannon also seems to have a shorter barrel, although this is harder to tell. The absence of the strut is by far the most obvious feature. However, the two "barrels" on the screenshot autocannon are of different diametre, similar to the DE one, which to me points away from it being a reaper autocannon.

I think there are two autocannon designs floating around. This bodes well.

Man, I'm super excited to finally see new Chaos stuff, the marines look awesome, it's about time Chaos got more love!

But that giant spider thing? Not so much... Makes me think back about how the Defiler was failure.

Has it been said if it's just marines getting a make over or are Raptors and Terminators and such coming too?

I've only seen snippets and can't seem to get any info!

 FunkyBoy wrote:
Man, I'm super excited to finally see new Chaos stuff, the marines look awesome, it's about time Chaos got more love!

But that giant spider thing? Not so much... Makes me think back about how the Defiler was failure.

Has it been said if it's just marines getting a make over or are Raptors and Terminators and such coming too?

I've only seen snippets and can't seem to get any info!

Raptors are about the only kit that is near guaranteed to not get replaced- they are far newer than the rest of the range, and match the modern aesthetic being 6th ed plastics released following the awesome Dark Vengeance Chosen.

There are lots of hints about potential new Terminators, but nothing concrete. The best we have at the moment is for at least one new Terminator model being almost certain, but not necessarily a whole squad.

Similar for new Possessed- there is likely a squad, but we've only seen previews hinting at at least two models.

Havocs are a possibility, but we are only going on the existence of the heavy bolter and two similar, but slightly different autocannon designs previewed. A new Sorceror and Dark Apostle seem likely based on DE and RE pics, but nothing concrete either.

CSM, Obliterators, the Master of Possession and the Venom Crawler are confirmed by the teasers. Mutilators have no real evidence, but seem a no-brainer for a duel kit.

New Regimental Standard article about Vigilus:
https://regimental-standard.com/2019/02/27/so-long-haarken/

For the “Black Legion” to take our world in the remaining time on this presumptuous countdown would be impossible, requiring nothing less than the sudden arrival of thousands of Heretic Astartes and a Gloriana-class Battleship.

If that's not foreshadowing I don't know what is.

 Redemption wrote:
New Regimental Standard article about Vigilus:
https://regimental-standard.com/2019/02/27/so-long-haarken/

For the “Black Legion” to take our world in the remaining time on this presumptuous countdown would be impossible, requiring nothing less than the sudden arrival of thousands of Heretic Astartes and a Gloriana-class Battleship.

If that's not foreshadowing I don't know what is.

that's hilarious.

didnt take him long to fix up the vengeful spirit then

Haighus wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Still think that this autocannon and the heavy bolter are the 2 heavy weapon options in the CSM kit.

Look at the Rumour Engine thread- there seem to be two autocannon designs floating around.

However, that is why I want to see a third heavy weapon confirmed- I think more than two in the basic CSM box is very unlikely.

While it might not be ideal, if GW managed to put all the heavy weapons in the basic kit it'd be better than the current havoc squad kit. It might almost be enough that GW doesn't need to do a Havoc Squad kit, which would allow them to make other releases. The sprues have only become more crammed with bits than when the CSM kit was made and it isn't as if we had any new options for the Champion or weapon specialists. They could fit them on if they tried.

Redemption wrote:New Regimental Standard article about Vigilus:
https://regimental-standard.com/2019/02/27/so-long-haarken/

For the “Black Legion” to take our world in the remaining time on this presumptuous countdown would be impossible, requiring nothing less than the sudden arrival of thousands of Heretic Astartes and a Gloriana-class Battleship.

If that's not foreshadowing I don't know what is.

I'd hate to be that guy... I'm pretty sure jinxing it is punishable by death.

Latro_ wrote:although the defiler has a reaper that looks like this pic it has two of them which constitutes one reaper.

*grumble* Its pretty silly that something as big as the Defiler's reaper autocannon(s) is only a single reaper autocannon... especially when you compare it to what terminators can carry and the other weapons that use the same sort of Razorback turret type mount. If it can't be twin reapers, the halves of the Defiler's reaper autocannon(s) are each big enough to be a standard autocannon. *grumble*



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 Latro_ wrote:
didnt take him long to fix up the vengeful spirit then

It probably fixed itself... its probably contributed so much the dark gods probably think more highly of it than most of their champions.

i'm starting to wonder if ADB was involved with any of the fluff for this coming release what with abby the center of it, i hope so.

 Haighus wrote:

 FunkyBoy wrote:
Man, I'm super excited to finally see new Chaos stuff, the marines look awesome, it's about time Chaos got more love!

But that giant spider thing? Not so much... Makes me think back about how the Defiler was failure.

Has it been said if it's just marines getting a make over or are Raptors and Terminators and such coming too?

I've only seen snippets and can't seem to get any info!

Raptors are about the only kit that is near guaranteed to not get replaced- they are far newer than the rest of the range, and match the modern aesthetic being 6th ed plastics released following the awesome Dark Vengeance Chosen.

There are lots of hints about potential new Terminators, but nothing concrete. The best we have at the moment is for at least one new Terminator model being almost certain, but not necessarily a whole squad.

Similar for new Possessed- there is likely a squad, but we've only seen previews hinting at at least two models.

Havocs are a possibility, but we are only going on the existence of the heavy bolter and two similar, but slightly different autocannon designs previewed. A new Sorceror and Dark Apostle seem likely based on DE and RE pics, but nothing concrete either.

CSM, Obliterators, the Master of Possession and the Venom Crawler are confirmed by the teasers. Mutilators have no real evidence, but seem a no-brainer for a duel kit.

Ah thats a shame, saying that though the Raptors are not all that bad.

Speaking of Dark Vengeance Chosen, were they possessed? I can't remember... 'cos the current set of possessed to me, look so silly... so if there are new ones coming out I pray they are bloody good.

Terminators eh? See what I was thinking is if Abby is getting a new Model, they would either include his bodyguards or at least a new Terminator kit, the current ones are okay but something a bit more interesting would not go amiss.

I'd love some new Havocs, they look so dated and bland now, I mean a conversion/kit-bash would fix that but new models would be cool. Always wondered why Chaos still use Autocannons.. wouldn't Heavy Bolters surpass that in every way? A new Sorceror would be good, there is one that comes to mind that was really cool, it may have been part of the Dark Vengeance set? Or maybe that was an Apostle.

I think new Oblitorators are a must, they have NEVER been good IMO for such a cool concept... lot of people talking about Mutilators, not really sure what they are, being in and out of the hobby I've missed a good chunk of news and such.

Thanks for the update!

Nice. "Empty bluster" links to eldraad

The wackylinkage may be my favourite thing about the Regimental Standard.

Indeed, our prognosticators inform us of a large warp disruption approaching the planet – we can only assume that it is Roboute Guilliman and his fleet, here to complete our liberation of the world

That's hilariously delusional.

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 Galef wrote:

Indeed, our prognosticators inform us of a large warp disruption approaching the planet – we can only assume that it is Roboute Guilliman and his fleet, here to complete our liberation of the world

That's hilariously delusional.

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hey they DID surmise correctly it was a glorianna class battleship leading the fleet, give em some credit!

 FunkyBoy wrote:

 Haighus wrote:

 FunkyBoy wrote:
Man, I'm super excited to finally see new Chaos stuff, the marines look awesome, it's about time Chaos got more love!

But that giant spider thing? Not so much... Makes me think back about how the Defiler was failure.

Has it been said if it's just marines getting a make over or are Raptors and Terminators and such coming too?

I've only seen snippets and can't seem to get any info!

Raptors are about the only kit that is near guaranteed to not get replaced- they are far newer than the rest of the range, and match the modern aesthetic being 6th ed plastics released following the awesome Dark Vengeance Chosen.

There are lots of hints about potential new Terminators, but nothing concrete. The best we have at the moment is for at least one new Terminator model being almost certain, but not necessarily a whole squad.

Similar for new Possessed- there is likely a squad, but we've only seen previews hinting at at least two models.

Havocs are a possibility, but we are only going on the existence of the heavy bolter and two similar, but slightly different autocannon designs previewed. A new Sorceror and Dark Apostle seem likely based on DE and RE pics, but nothing concrete either.

CSM, Obliterators, the Master of Possession and the Venom Crawler are confirmed by the teasers. Mutilators have no real evidence, but seem a no-brainer for a duel kit.

Ah thats a shame, saying that though the Raptors are not all that bad.

Speaking of Dark Vengeance Chosen, were they possessed? I can't remember... 'cos the current set of possessed to me, look so silly... so if there are new ones coming out I pray they are bloody good.

Terminators eh? See what I was thinking is if Abby is getting a new Model, they would either include his bodyguards or at least a new Terminator kit, the current ones are okay but something a bit more interesting would not go amiss.

I'd love some new Havocs, they look so dated and bland now, I mean a conversion/kit-bash would fix that but new models would be cool. Always wondered why Chaos still use Autocannons.. wouldn't Heavy Bolters surpass that in every way? A new Sorceror would be good, there is one that comes to mind that was really cool, it may have been part of the Dark Vengeance set? Or maybe that was an Apostle.

I think new Oblitorators are a must, they have NEVER been good IMO for such a cool concept... lot of people talking about Mutilators, not really sure what they are, being in and out of the hobby I've missed a good chunk of news and such.

Thanks for the update!

CSM use Autocannons because they didn't invent assault cannons. Assault cannons are the loyalist replacement for them. And all the renegades forgot to bring along their assault cannons with them...
The chosen in Dark Vengence weren't possessed, their armor was similar to the raptors I'd say.
Mutilators are CC Oblits that have been introduced in 6th edition. Their models were as aweful as their rules. Their rules are better now (still not great), the models are still ugly and failcast. If you ask me the whole concept of Mutilators is an epic fail, they took away Powerfists from Oblits to legitimate Mutilators, but they're still unnecessary, slow CC terminators when terminators are already not the greatest choice...

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

CSM use Autocannons because they didn't invent assault cannons. Assault cannons are the loyalist replacement for them. And all the renegades forgot to bring along their assault cannons with them...

The chosen in Dark Vengence weren't possessed, their armor was similar to the raptors I'd say.
Mutilators are CC Oblits that have been introduced in 6th edition. Their models were as aweful as their rules. Their rules are better now (still not great), the models are still ugly and failcast. If you ask me the whole concept of Mutilators is an epic fail, they took away Powerfists from Oblits to legitimate Mutilators, but they're still unnecessary, slow CC terminators when terminators are already not the greatest choice...

Way back in the day CSM could take any unit from the loyalist codex at a premium, when GW moved away from that it left this logic gap. GW doesn't seem to want to distinguish Renegade chapters from the Legions and we end up with something that doesn't really reflect half of the Chaos Marines in the galaxy. A proper Renegade codex would end up more like a codex for a non-codex marine chapter than the CSM codex.

Because I don't think GW will outright eliminate Mutilators, I keep hoping these new "obliterators" we're seeing are aren't actually obliterators, but a more elite obliterator that all the Obliterator and Multiator options combined, effectively merging the obliterators and mutilators back into one as a "new" unit.

 Galef wrote:

Indeed, our prognosticators inform us of a large warp disruption approaching the planet – we can only assume that it is Roboute Guilliman and his fleet, here to complete our liberation of the world

That's hilariously delusional.

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The Roboute Guilliman in the Regimental Standard post links to the Abaddon YouTube video.

I think one of the other reasons chaos use autocannons amongst other things is that they are more reliable easy t maintain and less prone to malfunction... all about that needs to work every time limited resources etc

assault cannons used to explode on you in 2ed

Yet they kept using plasma guns, even after they started melting on you. Presumably those are even harder to repair.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Yet they kept using plasma guns, even after they started melting on you. Presumably those are even harder to repair.

They perhaps prioritise maintaining a plasma weapon over a rotary weapon due to increased efficacy? Also, we know nothing of warp-tech- repairing a plasma weapon in a daemon forge may be easier than repairing a rotor cannon for all we know about it. Maybe daemons like being bound into a plasma coil

Making up fluff justifications for some of this isn't too hard The weirder bit is that some stuff just disappears entirely despite being simple tech, like any Land Raider Crusaders in a traitor Chapter, or drop pods.