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Just to clarify I don’t necessarily think there shouldn’t be tech innovation in 40k, just that the Martian priesthood should start getting antsy about it and maybe there could be an interesting development concerning the activities of Cawl and the reaction of the greater Mechanicus.

I mean they are concerned about him, guillaman has even said he will likely need to kill cawl at some point, cawl keeps asking to be made fabricator general. Mars is split over Cawl, some hate him and some flock to him as a new path for the admech. Guillamans "approval" of him is likely what has stopped open rebellion and allowed the growth of a faction that agrees with cawl, preventing ad mech as a whole just killing him and making a schism more likely in the future. At the moment the tech heresy, approval of a demi god and high risk of damage is not worth them fighting to remove cawl over just yet. Though might be if the traitor gene seed and his semi AI become wide spread knowledge.

 Latro_ wrote:
warp talons might be quite fun with the exalted possessed'd +1s

5 make em WE
deep strike in near him charge in you can't overwatch, 16 s5 -2 attacks re-rolling to wound. would VOTLW be the +1 after or before the re-roll to wound because that 5 (maybe 4) (edit: guess it does not matter just re-roll ye 3,2,1's) to wound knights with a re-roll goes a fair way. not totally terrible for 120pts .. taking what 5 wounds off a knight?

also s8 heldrake

they will also stack with deamon heralds most likely making a deamonkin force more viable, so can get em to str 6 plus locus buff

So we have a sheet for the suppressors, do we have any other loyalist sheets?

I'm back again today with something new for everybody! Here's a look at the Infiltrator datasheet!

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Just to clarify I don’t necessarily think there shouldn’t be tech innovation in 40k, just that the Martian priesthood should start getting antsy about it and maybe there could be an interesting development concerning the activities of Cawl and the reaction of the greater Mechanicus.

But don't the Adeptus Mechanicus makes new technology like, all the time, since the origination of the lore? The only problem with that is the fact that for something to be approbed as "safe" has to past so many regulators and inspections that centuries can happen before that. But I assume having a Primarch covering your back will make things go faster.

Hotrod wrote:
I'm back again today with something new for everybody! Here's a look at the Infiltrator datasheet!

. Ok... Bye bye cult genestealer..

Hotrod wrote:
I'm back again today with something new for everybody! Here's a look at the Infiltrator datasheet!

Would just like to say that I apologise for doubting you.

This unit actually looks interesting, cool to see that they get the scout rule.

Interesting that the whole Infiltrator unit has to give up its shooting to use Smoke while only the Surpressor’s Sergeant is required to.

Thank you Hortrod!

This actually seems pretty solid, and it is nice to get another troop option. Someone who's better at maths needs to do the calculations on the effect of the bolter's special rule.

My only gripe is the lack of options on the Sergeant. I really don't get why GW doesn't understand that you can glue those upgrade sprue weapon on models other than Intercessor Sergeants. Allowing Reivers to take them too would be a big step towards foxing them as well.

 AduroT wrote:
Interesting that the whole Infiltrator unit has to give up its shooting to use Smoke while only the Surpressor’s Sergeant is required to.

From what the model appeared to be, it looked like just the Suppressor Sergeant had a smoke launcher attached to his autocannon while the others have smoke grenades actually on their persons.

I'm not sure how I feel about the Omni-Scramblers, if only because it might shift what would be a sidegrade unit into a "Must Have" now.

Hotrod wrote:
I'm back again today with something new for everybody! Here's a look at the Infiltrator datasheet!

Thanks I really liked seeing the infiltrators!

They seem like a really decent forward unit. Have them in cover and any wounds you lose to ap- will just be healed next turn or you have a chance at a revive. Or a double revive if you have an apothecary nearby.

Plus there's area denial which marines need.

Again thank you!

 Tiberius501 wrote:

Hotrod wrote:
I'm back again today with something new for everybody! Here's a look at the Infiltrator datasheet!

Would just like to say that I apologise for doubting you.

This unit actually looks interesting, cool to see that they get the scout rule.

I find it interesting to see that the unit has the Phobos keyword. That could be used for specialist detachments.

 Tiberius501 wrote:

Hotrod wrote:
I'm back again today with something new for everybody! Here's a look at the Infiltrator datasheet!

Would just like to say that I apologise for doubting you.

This unit actually looks interesting, cool to see that they get the scout rule.

No worries! If it were me, I would also doubt some random guy who pops out of nowhere claiming to have a bunch of datasheets.

But yeah, Infiltrators look super neat as well. Not as good offensively as Inceptors, but they have other more tactical uses.

 Galas wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Just to clarify I don’t necessarily think there shouldn’t be tech innovation in 40k, just that the Martian priesthood should start getting antsy about it and maybe there could be an interesting development concerning the activities of Cawl and the reaction of the greater Mechanicus.

But don't the Adeptus Mechanicus makes new technology like, all the time, since the origination of the lore? The only problem with that is the fact that for something to be approbed as "safe" has to past so many regulators and inspections that centuries can happen before that. But I assume having a Primarch covering your back will make things go faster.

To some extent. It really depends on the religious minutiae that a particular Tech Priest or Forge World subscribes to. Generally though innovation is frowned upon and has led to civil wars previously, so with that precident I’m interested in how GW approach any potential intra-Mechanicum feuding vis-a-vis Belesarius Cawl.

Loyalists get ap-2 autocannons that prevent overwatch on units that can fly.




Dark Blades internally.

 fraser1191 wrote:

Hotrod wrote:
I'm back again today with something new for everybody! Here's a look at the Infiltrator datasheet!

Thanks I really liked seeing the infiltrators!

They seem like a really decent forward unit. Have them in cover and any wounds you lose to ap- will just be healed next turn or you have a chance at a revive. Or a double revive if you have an apothecary nearby.

Heal 1 model. Not any, and AP doesn't matter.
Revive is most likely just going to cost you shots.

Plus there's area denial which marines need.

It's pretty situational. Against some armies, an additional 3" further out will matter. Against others, it won't.

The complete lack of firepower, AP or any close combat ability, on the other hand, will make them mediocre against everything.

Especially if the beta rules for SM bolt weapons comes through, intercessors with +6 range and -1 AP look a lot better, and they aren't an amazing unit either.

Show must go on

Leva_018 wrote:
Show must go on

We know. Hotrod's the one posting these. If they wanted to put them in the thread, pretty sure they would have.

Really happy with infiltrators they seem excellent, in a castle style force they will be very useful to stop deep strikers. The fact they have smoke grenades is very cool too.

Pretty sure the Dakka mods would rather they weren't in the thread tbh

Hotrod wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:

Hotrod wrote:
I'm back again today with something new for everybody! Here's a look at the Infiltrator datasheet!

Would just like to say that I apologise for doubting you.

This unit actually looks interesting, cool to see that they get the scout rule.

No worries! If it were me, I would also doubt some random guy who pops out of nowhere claiming to have a bunch of datasheets.

But yeah, Infiltrators look super neat as well. Not as good offensively as Inceptors, but they have other more tactical uses.

Thanks! Any chance of the Venomcrawler or the Master of Possession datasheets? Or at least, are there any rules clarifying which Chaos faction can take these units?

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Pretty sure the Dakka mods would rather they weren't in the thread tbh

If you're referring to the datasheet, typically what I've seen here with leaks what happens is that it's ok that you post links to such things as long as they're NOT hosted on dakka but instead elsewhere. If they get a complaint from the IP owner, the mods immediately remove the "offending" material themselves. Regardless, you could always ask/alert one.

99% certain those two units will be vanilla chaos only.

Hotrod thank you for showing us this stuff.

Do you have the datasheet for Obliterators? That'd be awesome.

I'd say the Chaos stuff meets my expectation for the most part. New Obliterators are very welcome, the character looks at least OK, and the Venomcrawler is at least a new unit that you might use if it is priced appropriately (under 100). For the Posessed, you had to expect a walking, melee only type guy, hopefully this new one moves more than 4"!

The CSM squad is a disappointment. The lack of options points this to being a Dark Imperium type of set rather than the more recent "Battle Boxes". Few if any would field a CSM squad with this set of options. I'm not thrilled to have Bane Jr as a squad leader but that is an easy enough conversion.

Not much on my "wish list" here, but not too bad, all things considered.

The Space Marine stuff looks very promising! The CSMs lead me to believe they might not have separate shoulder pads, and I'm curious about that.

Oblits sound tasty but unless DG can take them I will be giving the chaise a shrug. DG could also use the greater possessed but who knows if we'll get them.

Did anyone else notice the line in the librarian dataslate where it says they may know 2 powers from obscuration discipline?

Wonder what that means.

Racerguy180 wrote:
Did anyone else notice the line in the librarian dataslate where it says they may know 2 powers from obscuration discipline?

Wonder what that means.

Really not. I would apreciate a lot new powers.

new psychic disciplines would be great. I would love to have my Captain-Libarians back.