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**MajorWesJanson**

Galas wrote:
Nova_Impero wrote:
I did not expect to see them releasing codices.

Those codices are like the Gellerpox Idontremember. Just stop-gaps until they re-release the SM and Chaos codex to put all of this there.

Or the Primaris and Deathguard mini-codices from DI. I still have those sitting around.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Odd that there is so much repetition amongst the Primaris side (six Scouty dudes, 2 sniper dudes and 2 grav chute dudes being the same bar different head sculpts) and none that I can see on the Chaos side.

SM probably have a duplicate sprue, while the CSM don't. I'd say 5 different sprues, 6 total. SM troops sprue (x2) and leader sprue, then Chaos with an obliterator and 5 marines on a sprue, with 2 different versions, and then the venomcrawler, sorcerer, and possessed on the third.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

combining the monastic, warrior-monk feel that’s core to the Space Marines

???
They are full tacticool, no monastic warrior-monk element in sight on those vanguard marines.

**Ghaz**

Galas wrote:
Nova_Impero wrote:
I did not expect to see them releasing codices.

Those codices are like the Gellerpox Idontremember. Just stop-gaps until they re-release the SM and Chaos codex to put all of this there.

Or more accurately like the two army specific book in the Dark Imperium box.

Spoiler:

**Rayvon**

Ghaz wrote:
Rayvon wrote:
WhiteDog wrote:
The Lt is such a knife master he has two knife and a little knife at his belt.

Spoiler:

Maybe someone put the knife on the wrong one ?

I'm not so sure the 'little knife' is a knife and not a badge denoting his proficiency at knife fighting...

I was thinking more of the two scabbards if thats what they are called or more rather hoping, ive not seen a model with two side by side before, but then again ive never seen a knife master either I guess.

**Hanskrampf**

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Odd that there is so much repetition amongst the Primaris side (six Scouty dudes, 2 sniper dudes and 2 grav chute dudes being the same bar different head sculpts) and none that I can see on the Chaos side.

I'm beginning to think Chaos Marines is actually the full multi part kit.

**JSG**

For those wondering about the exact nature of the sprues, GW just posted this on facebook.

Warhammer 40,000 Hey guys - well, THESE models are designed in a similar way to the ones in Dark Imperium... THESE ones, are...

**xKillGorex**

Hope these marines get a multi part kit release. Don’t need to buy a box set just for the chaos dudes to sit in the box for years to come, but damn i want me some of these primaris.
Sod the leader and the flying water hose guys but the rest look good fun to play around with.

**warboss**

Wow...flying primaris with oversized galoshes wielding autocannons. That's the 40k miniatures equivalent of bad fan fiction. I hope someone ends up modelling a shark fin or head under each of them.

**JohnnyHell**

Just cut the barrels down and reattach the end and they’ll look fine.

**Crimson**

Right. I think I'll have to wait to see what's in the multipart kits then. I have nothing against ETB models per se, DI ones were perfectly fine, it is just that I want to know whether the full kits have some gear options or cool bits I'd rather have.

Also, it seems super weird to me that Suppressors are full jump troops with fly, as the models do not really seem to have proper thrusters unlike all other marine jump troops.

**Kanluwen**

So, the WH40k Facebook posted the following:

Warhammer 40,000 wrote: The models in THIS box are designed in a similar way to the models in Dark Imperium...

So I guess maybe they are simplified models rather than full kits? It's worth noting however that they keep slightly kinda/sorta answering different questions with different answers.

I.e. someone asked why Obliterators were only 2 in the box, they replied "we could only fit two in, there's not much room for their sprues".

JSG wrote:
For those wondering about the exact nature of the sprues, GW just posted this on facebook.

Warhammer 40,000 Hey guys - well, THESE models are designed in a similar way to the ones in Dark Imperium... THESE ones, are...

And this is what I'm referring to.

That question was asked about not just the box, but rather a specific unit.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

warboss wrote:
Wow...flying primaris with oversized galoshes wielding autocannons. That's the 40k miniatures equivalent of bad fan fiction. I hope someone ends up modelling a shark fin or head under each of them.

But they have small wings on their feet! Ain't that the cutest?

**Theophony**

warboss wrote:
Wow...flying primaris with oversized galoshes wielding autocannons. That's the 40k miniatures equivalent of bad fan fiction. I hope someone ends up modelling a shark fin or head under each of them.

What I don’t get is the scope on the gun

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**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Kanluwen wrote:
So I guess maybe they are simplified models rather than full kits?

And that full kit will come after, separate from THIS box.

**Haighus**

Crimson wrote:
Right. I think I'll have to wait to see what's in the multipart kits then. I have nothing against ETB models per se, DI ones were perfectly fine, it is just that I want to know whether the full kits have some gear options or cool bits I'd rather have.

Also, it seems super weird to me that Suppressors are full jump troops with fly, as the models do not really seem to have proper thrusters unlike all other marine jump troops.

Technically, all Marine power armour from MkII onwards have thrusters- that is what the spheres on each side the power packs are. However, they are usually only powerful enough for use in void operations.

But these guys have antigrav gear, so the pack thrusters should be sufficient?

**Sotahullu**

Crimson wrote:

Also, it seems super weird to me that Suppressors are full jump troops with fly, as the models do not really seem to have proper thrusters unlike all other marine jump troops.

Yeah, that was bothering me too. They rather look like having grav-chutes that Reivers also have when deep striking.

**warboss**

Theophony wrote:

What I don’t get is the scope on the gun .

It limits their field of view to objects in the distance so they don't realize how ridiculous they actually look. IIRC from the leaked datasheets, they come with a new rule called "And They Shall Know No Shame".

**lord_blackfang**

Man what the heck is up with those unit sizes. 2 Possessed, 2 Oblits? Are starters with unit sizes that don't conform to matched play some new passive aggressive way they let competitive players know they're really not their preferred audience?

**aracersss**

it's settled

**zinch**

The greater possessed are characters, so you can use 1,2 or any number.
Obliterators are 1-3 in their datasheet

**WhiteDog**

Sotahullu wrote:
Crimson wrote:

Also, it seems super weird to me that Suppressors are full jump troops with fly, as the models do not really seem to have proper thrusters unlike all other marine jump troops.

Yeah, that was bothering me too. They rather look like having grav-chutes that Reivers also have when deep striking.

There's two vent-like thing in their back pack so there is a difference with Reavers (who only have normal backpack, and no wings on their legs). I guess the idea is that phobos armor, being light, doesn't need huge thrusters like Inceptors who are in gravis armor.

Also, this has been said already but to be more precise :

The second sentence heavily implies multi part kits coming later.

**totalfailure**

This looks like a great money saver to me - I don't find either of the forces included compelling or interesting in the least. So I can safely let it pass on by. More power to those that like it. I think it has a bunch of over the top goofy models in it.

**Crimson**

Haighus wrote:
Crimson wrote:
Right. I think I'll have to wait to see what's in the multipart kits then. I have nothing against ETB models per se, DI ones were perfectly fine, it is just that I want to know whether the full kits have some gear options or cool bits I'd rather have.

Also, it seems super weird to me that Suppressors are full jump troops with fly, as the models do not really seem to have proper thrusters unlike all other marine jump troops.

Technically, all Marine power armour from MkII onwards have thrusters- that is what the spheres on each side the power packs are. However, they are usually only powerful enough for use in void operations.

But these guys have antigrav gear, so the pack thrusters should be sufficient?

Then why the hell do Inceptors have a giant-ass rockets bolted on their back then?

**casvalremdeikun**

ETB sort of kills my desire to get this box. I like customization. And I was hoping for extra bits to modify other kits I have. So I will probably just hold off for now.

**krakjen**

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Quite certain there's a blurred chaos marine with a lascannon in the background in that video.

Havocs may be happening indeed.

I think the suppressors will have other weapon options when they finally get a kit. Some form of multi-launcher missile pack would be cool, like a cyclone missile launcher of sorts rule wise. Especially if you could choose missile ammo.

Reviers would fit so so so well with this force if they sorted out their rules/loadout. Those stub pistols with power knives would be awesome. or even a different form of chainsword that gave -1ap with additional attacks of normal chainsord.

Watched the video a couple of times, pretty certain there’s no models in it that aren’t in the box. Couldn’t see a lascannon anywhere. Where abouts do you see it?

In the background 7 or 8 second in on one of the platforms in the rear that is blurred. I say it's a lascannon as it doesn't have the underslung rail the autocannon has. If it isn't a lascannon, it is not actually attached to the mini and is part of the terrain but I can't see how it would be.

If you are talking about this guy, it's not a Lascannon, it's a chainsword.
You can see it's the same guy with a very slightly lower angle.

**Latro_**

Because they need to look bulky to justify only having a 10" move of course!

**GoatboyBeta**

Crimson wrote:
Then why the hell do Inceptors have a giant-ass rockets bolted on their back then?

Anti grav assisted is probably a lot quiter than the full turbines Inceptors use. While it wont make any difference once the shooting starts, it does fit with the Vanguards recon/comando background.

**Gnollu**

Any info about the price?

**Brutus_Apex**

Wow, those Suppressors are actually the worst.

GW won't stop until they kill the entire SM lineup with this janky "hi-tech" gak.

**DaveC**

Gnollu wrote:
Any info about the price?

Price lists will go to retailers in the next day or 2 but I'd be very surprised if it wasn't £95 like the other box sets