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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/03/12 19:47:29
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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GaroRobe wrote:Well, in support of chaos guard, we now have a Chaos Commissar and Chaos Ogryn!
Pics up on the Community site, and on the Blackstone fortress thread.
Now we just need a proper codex / index update for r&h worthy for the models.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/03/12 20:17:09
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Using Object Source Lighting
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BrianDavion wrote: Platuan4th wrote:BrianDavion wrote: NAVARRO wrote:BrianDavion wrote: NAVARRO wrote:Has anyone crunched the numbers and figured out the Primaris total points wise? How much are we looking at in the box?
think it was 700-800 points or there abouts.
Thanks. That and the dark imperium primaris and your set with a big part of an army.
yup. although you'd proably need to shave some points as you've got proably close to 600 points in HQs from those two boxes alone, what with 2 captains, 3 leuitenants, a Librarian and a ancient.
Ancients are Elites, but that doesn't really affect the point.
yeah I meant characters rather then HQs but yeah definatly. I'd be curious what the best mix of HQs for a mixed force of normal primaris/vanguard would be.
Same, I guess you can build different lists around different characters ( space wolves have plenty of those) so the extra HQ is ok. Taking HQ away you still get some serious chunk of an army with this box and DI.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/03/12 20:18:54
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Why would you want to make him awful?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/03/12 20:23:17
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Because some of us still care about the Imperium, you filthy heretic
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/03/12 20:30:09
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/03/12 20:51:00
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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I think that a full fledged traitors, heretics & renegades something or other is coming for this summer.
Sororitas vs Traitors would be a great boxed set.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/03/12 21:10:14
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Fireknife Shas'el
Lisbon, Portugal
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Racerguy180 wrote:I think that a full fledged traitors, heretics & renegades something or other is coming for this summer.
Sororitas vs Traitors would be a great boxed set.
but we all know it will be Marines vs something else...
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Unit1126PLL wrote:"FW is unbalanced and going to ruin tournaments."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/03/12 21:11:25
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Witch Hunter in the Shadows
Aachen
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Racerguy180 wrote:I think that a full fledged traitors, heretics & renegades something or other is coming for this summer.
Sororitas vs Traitors would be a great boxed set.
Yeah, Sisters vs a bunch of Heretics seems like a really good choice for a box. Could even reuse the BSFsorcerers, traitor guards and beastmen for that release wave, too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/03/12 21:13:15
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Dakka Veteran
New Zealand
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I’m so happy about the new servants of the abyss hqs
I can see a number of chaos armies taking them the 2x traitor guard and beastmen as a super cheap battalion with their armies.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/03/12 21:27:50
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Sisters are going to be end-of-2019. Rumors point to it. GW behavior points to it. Any other expectation is foolish hope.
There was some information, however, that said besides Sisters, there would be 3 other Codexes. I'd love for those to be World Eaters, Emperor's Children, and Traitor Guardsmen, but that's a bit too much Chaos for one year.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/03/12 22:20:31
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Vector Strike wrote:Racerguy180 wrote:I think that a full fledged traitors, heretics & renegades something or other is coming for this summer.
Sororitas vs Traitors would be a great boxed set.
but we all know it will be Marines vs something else...
If sororitas vs Sisters happens, i dunno, that would be absolute amazing.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/03/12 23:42:21
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine
Ottawa
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drbored wrote:Sisters are going to be end-of-2019. Rumors point to it. GW behavior points to it. Any other expectation is foolish hope.
There was some information, however, that said besides Sisters, there would be 3 other Codexes. I'd love for those to be World Eaters, Emperor's Children, and Traitor Guardsmen, but that's a bit too much Chaos for one year.
3 new codexes, or just 3 other releases? Because I'd honestly put money on SM and CSM being two of them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/03/13 00:06:19
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Lemondish wrote:drbored wrote:Sisters are going to be end-of-2019. Rumors point to it. GW behavior points to it. Any other expectation is foolish hope.
There was some information, however, that said besides Sisters, there would be 3 other Codexes. I'd love for those to be World Eaters, Emperor's Children, and Traitor Guardsmen, but that's a bit too much Chaos for one year.
3 new codexes, or just 3 other releases? Because I'd honestly put money on SM and CSM being two of them.
I don't think they specified. I agree, I could see Space Marines and Chaos Marines being two of them as well.
However, I could also see GW putting the Vanguard and Daemonkin stuff into Vigilus part 2 and not having a Codex release at all. Why invalidate a past book when you can simply force players to bring EVEN MORE books to the game table!
Just think of the fun you could have with a Crimson Fists Space Marine army! Not only would you need the Codex, you'd also need Chapter Approved, the various FAQ's, January's White Dwarf, Vigilus Part 1 and Part 2, AND the Vanguard Marines Codex to play your army! Amazing!
Oh, you want to have even MORE fun by allying with another faction? Great! Just add in the two Imperium Indexes, the 8+ other Imperium Codexes, February and March's White Dwarfs, and all of THOSE FAQs too!
Remember when GW promised us they wouldn't be throwing tons of rulebooks at us? Man those were the times.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/03/13 00:51:37
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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Lemondish wrote:drbored wrote:Sisters are going to be end-of-2019. Rumors point to it. GW behavior points to it. Any other expectation is foolish hope.
There was some information, however, that said besides Sisters, there would be 3 other Codexes. I'd love for those to be World Eaters, Emperor's Children, and Traitor Guardsmen, but that's a bit too much Chaos for one year.
3 new codexes, or just 3 other releases? Because I'd honestly put money on SM and CSM being two of them.
codex SM, Codex CSM codex sisters?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/03/13 00:56:08
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Been Around the Block
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I totally understand how the "6 books to play one army" thing is a pain in the butt; but as a casual player it's been a non issue for me. I play 6 armies and don't own a single 8th ed codex. (Saves me hundreds of dollars, which I spend on models instead). Between online resources and battle scribe, I get my rules that way. And yeah I know, battle scribe gets things wrong, but in my play group, we kinda all just let it slide. I get that doesn't fly in competitive environment, and I'm not arguing that it should; it's just that for my group all the unit and points changes are pretty painless when its built in to our army builder. I feel like moving the rules to a living digital document would be the most revolutionary and intuitive thing GW could do, but I don't see it happening soon. It's a bummer. I would honestly be willing to pay a small subscription fee if they had such a living document, and I don't think I'm alone in that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/03/13 03:42:48
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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rooster92 wrote:I totally understand how the "6 books to play one army" thing is a pain in the butt; but as a casual player it's been a non issue for me. I play 6 armies and don't own a single 8th ed codex. (Saves me hundreds of dollars, which I spend on models instead). Between online resources and battle scribe, I get my rules that way. And yeah I know, battle scribe gets things wrong, but in my play group, we kinda all just let it slide. I get that doesn't fly in competitive environment, and I'm not arguing that it should; it's just that for my group all the unit and points changes are pretty painless when its built in to our army builder. I feel like moving the rules to a living digital document would be the most revolutionary and intuitive thing GW could do, but I don't see it happening soon. It's a bummer. I would honestly be willing to pay a small subscription fee if they had such a living document, and I don't think I'm alone in that.
My first instinct was to be upset at you for not supporting the company and playing with half-correct rules out of Battlescribe, but A. battlescribe is updated pretty regularly and B. that's just me being salty because I did buy the books and not a single one is 100% accurate at this point thanks to FAQs and points changes.
I would volunteer for the job at GW to compile the online living document. You could pay me like 12 USD an hour to do it from home. Whenever an FAQ comes around, just pass it my way and I'd update the site for them. It's mostly copy-paste and then hitting 'save and upload' on wordpress.
Why doesn't GW do it? Because then they wouldn't be able to make 80% profit off of books that they can sell you every year.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/03/13 12:42:08
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Martial Arts Fiday
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drbored wrote:Sisters are going to be end-of-2019. Rumors point to it. GW behavior points to it. Any other expectation is foolish hope.
There was some information, however, that said besides Sisters, there would be 3 other Codexes. I'd love for those to be World Eaters, Emperor's Children, and Traitor Guardsmen, but that's a bit too much Chaos for one year.
They could easily release a battle box of sisters vs. R&H and not have a "full release" of Sisters until later in the year though. How long did DG wait for a full dex after DI dropped?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/03/13 12:46:06
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Racerguy180 wrote:I think that a full fledged traitors, heretics & renegades something or other is coming for this summer.
Sororitas vs Traitors would be a great boxed set.
Sororitas vs World Eaters
Call the box : 'Faith and Fury
Give you that one for free GW.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/03/13 13:07:24
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Dakka Veteran
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There can only be one boxset: sanctuary 101 (terenas voiceover)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/03/13 14:24:44
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Grisly Ghost Ark Driver
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I agree, Sanctuary 101 or GTFO GW.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/03/13 14:40:27
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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But we just had Forgebane, we probably don't need another Necron Battlebox so soon.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/03/13 15:09:11
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/03/13 15:13:53
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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That is awsome! This is quality chaos content!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/03/13 15:15:18
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Omnipotent Lord of Change
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/03/13 15:15:31
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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So basically, that's the coolest Chaos model I've ever seen and I'll be getting one even if it's worth my entire bank account
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/03/13 15:20:36
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Terrifying Doombull
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Wait, what?
After teasing the tide of uninspired mediocrity for shadowspear for so long, how are they tilting to something new and interesting?
Though I'll be honest, I mostly just want the rider.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/03/13 15:24:00
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Grisly Ghost Ark Driver
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That is everything I want out of chaos.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/03/13 15:25:13
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Khorne Chosen Marine Riding a Juggernaut
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/03/13 15:27:44
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Pulsating Possessed Space Marine of Slaanesh
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Can we get demon engine cavalry please, with those chain glaives.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/03/13 15:31:14
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Bonkers Buggy Driver with Rockets
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Definite Dark Mechanicum vibe to that guy, with the cowl and all - like an evil Techmarine.
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