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2019/03/13 15:36:11
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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2019/03/13 15:37:30
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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YES. I am really loving the new CSM stuff so far.
Riding a monstrous creature into battle is a bit of a stretch even in 40k for me but i'm still down on it. I don't play for the realism.
I'll happily take my chaos born doctor octopus on a maggot-spider metal daemonic mount that breathes flame and spews lead.
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2019/03/13 15:41:22
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Fixture of Dakka
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 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
I don't know. Their inclusion into 6th edition could have been any number of things that GW wanted to do. Maybe they were just generic filler villains for the Dark Angels to fight where the writers made up a story to go with their model design like you said. Maybe they meant to be the next big Chaos Space Marine thing and/or be the CSM poster boys but never caught on or something. Maybe they were simply meant to plant idea seeds on how even non-traitor legion CSM could be done. I can't say. Looking into a little more, it seems that GW seemed to want Crimson Slaughter to be a thing, but they never could decide on what that thing was. I also feel that Crimson Slaughter expansions and/or codex may have not sold well enough and/or the player base didn't become abuzz with them.
All I am saying is that the Dark Vengeance fluff was written to explain why the models looked the way they did. The writing spoke of the Chosen in the set like Space Hulk talked of the Terminators giving each one a name and a sentence or two on them. I can't remember if the Dark Angel tactical marines got the same treatment in the set. I painted mine in Black Legion and still use them. Although, I had to have the dual lightning claw one be the Aspiring Champion after GW decided to FAQ out that weapon loadout for non-champion Chosen for some reason. Or they can be count-as Fallen which still can have dual lightning claws even though the Dark Angel Veterans kit doesn't really allow it.
The Chosen miniatures - like all the rest - will have come first, with the fluff following on. The Crimson Slaughter seemed to be the Next Big Thing, as all the Chaos marine units on the website were repainted from Black Legion to Crimson Slaughter, they were the villains in the Officio Assasinorum Execution Force game and they were being set up with a rivalry to the Dark Angels and Red Corsairs. Apparently no-one in 8th edition could be bothered with them, although IIRC they get a quick mention in theConquest partwork fluff.
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2019/03/13 15:41:33
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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 Oguhmek wrote:Definite Dark Mechanicum vibe to that guy, with the cowl and all - like an evil Techmarine.
That's basically what he is, no?
That's a great model. Full of character and madness.
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2019/03/13 15:42:28
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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 AndrewGPaul wrote: Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
I don't know. Their inclusion into 6th edition could have been any number of things that GW wanted to do. Maybe they were just generic filler villains for the Dark Angels to fight where the writers made up a story to go with their model design like you said. Maybe they meant to be the next big Chaos Space Marine thing and/or be the CSM poster boys but never caught on or something. Maybe they were simply meant to plant idea seeds on how even non-traitor legion CSM could be done. I can't say. Looking into a little more, it seems that GW seemed to want Crimson Slaughter to be a thing, but they never could decide on what that thing was. I also feel that Crimson Slaughter expansions and/or codex may have not sold well enough and/or the player base didn't become abuzz with them.
All I am saying is that the Dark Vengeance fluff was written to explain why the models looked the way they did. The writing spoke of the Chosen in the set like Space Hulk talked of the Terminators giving each one a name and a sentence or two on them. I can't remember if the Dark Angel tactical marines got the same treatment in the set. I painted mine in Black Legion and still use them. Although, I had to have the dual lightning claw one be the Aspiring Champion after GW decided to FAQ out that weapon loadout for non-champion Chosen for some reason. Or they can be count-as Fallen which still can have dual lightning claws even though the Dark Angel Veterans kit doesn't really allow it.
The Chosen miniatures - like all the rest - will have come first, with the fluff following on. The Crimson Slaughter seemed to be the Next Big Thing, as all the Chaos marine units on the website were repainted from Black Legion to Crimson Slaughter, they were the villains in the Officio Assasinorum Execution Force game and they were being set up with a rivalry to the Dark Angels and Red Corsairs. Apparently no-one in 8th edition could be bothered with them, although IIRC they get a quick mention in theConquest partwork fluff.
The way GW just dropped the Crimson Slaughter was jarring.
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2019/03/13 15:42:57
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Fresh-Faced New User
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2019/03/13 15:56:44
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Oozing Plague Marine Terminator
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 Red_Five wrote: AndrewGPaul wrote: Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
I don't know. Their inclusion into 6th edition could have been any number of things that GW wanted to do. Maybe they were just generic filler villains for the Dark Angels to fight where the writers made up a story to go with their model design like you said. Maybe they meant to be the next big Chaos Space Marine thing and/or be the CSM poster boys but never caught on or something. Maybe they were simply meant to plant idea seeds on how even non-traitor legion CSM could be done. I can't say. Looking into a little more, it seems that GW seemed to want Crimson Slaughter to be a thing, but they never could decide on what that thing was. I also feel that Crimson Slaughter expansions and/or codex may have not sold well enough and/or the player base didn't become abuzz with them.
All I am saying is that the Dark Vengeance fluff was written to explain why the models looked the way they did. The writing spoke of the Chosen in the set like Space Hulk talked of the Terminators giving each one a name and a sentence or two on them. I can't remember if the Dark Angel tactical marines got the same treatment in the set. I painted mine in Black Legion and still use them. Although, I had to have the dual lightning claw one be the Aspiring Champion after GW decided to FAQ out that weapon loadout for non-champion Chosen for some reason. Or they can be count-as Fallen which still can have dual lightning claws even though the Dark Angel Veterans kit doesn't really allow it.
The Chosen miniatures - like all the rest - will have come first, with the fluff following on. The Crimson Slaughter seemed to be the Next Big Thing, as all the Chaos marine units on the website were repainted from Black Legion to Crimson Slaughter, they were the villains in the Officio Assasinorum Execution Force game and they were being set up with a rivalry to the Dark Angels and Red Corsairs. Apparently no-one in 8th edition could be bothered with them, although IIRC they get a quick mention in theConquest partwork fluff.
The way GW just dropped the Crimson Slaughter was jarring.
They were pretty much killed off in Traitor's Hate. Abaddon sent them into the meatgrinder. I can live with that  .
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2019/03/13 15:59:53
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Well, that is amazing!
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2019/03/13 16:03:36
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Omnipotent Lord of Change
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Also re: my point about daemon engines all sucking because they hit on 4+
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2019/03/13 16:04:08
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I did not know I needed something like this. Now I do.
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2019/03/13 16:15:23
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
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It's such an amazing model, and I think it's the first time I've been blown away by something chaos since I first saw the Khorne Lord on a Juggernaut model.
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2019/03/13 16:20:25
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Emboldened Warlock
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Pretty cool model. Hopefully there are a few additional head and arm options for the rider, but with their tendency for doing more and more single pose models, I wouldn't count on it.
I wish they'd do a new Rhino and Land Raider with armour in the style of their Deamon engines, but it probably won't happen. Guess they'd rather invent new vehicles like they did for the Death Guard. But those spiky Rhinos and Land Raiders will really stand out negatively in the new Chaos range...
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2019/03/13 16:27:09
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Pyro Pilot of a Triach Stalker
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Okay, I need that model now. That and the shadowspear models are chaos as they should be. Rules may be meh but the models themselves are amazing.
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2019/03/13 16:30:02
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Lieutenant General
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 stahly wrote:Pretty cool model. Hopefully there are a few additional head and arm options for the rider, but with their tendency for doing more and more single pose models, I wouldn't count on it.
I'm fairly sure this isn't going to be an 'easy to build' model in any way...
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2019/03/13 16:37:56
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Lit By the Flames of Prospero
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I knew that i would regret sacking off my chaos army eventually, that thing looks quality
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2019/03/13 16:43:21
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Dakka Veteran
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That heretical thing is straight from heavy metal cover!
And here I actually thought that what they are doing with Warsmiths with this rework on CSM and apparently answer is ginving it a bloody spider tank!
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2019/03/13 16:48:36
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Whoever wrote this obviously never played reivers on tabletop. I wish they where hundred as good as these guys 
Also, looks like minis dictate not only rules, but fluff now too. 4 or 5 poses described in this are 100% copies of the actual minis, something that was pretty jarring. Down to plot point RADICAL mook. And why the hell reiver who lost his knife clowned around with a bar instead of taking (much better) weapons of the fallen? GW forbid cross army bit conversions? 
 Ghaz wrote: stahly wrote:Pretty cool model. Hopefully there are a few additional head and arm options for the rider, but with their tendency for doing more and more single pose models, I wouldn't count on it.
I'm fairly sure this isn't going to be an 'easy to build' model in any way...
How so? That's about size and complexity of Astreia, and she is ETB...
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2019/03/13 16:50:21
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Krazed Killa Kan
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Want a suitibly pustule and necrotic version for my Death Guard...
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2019/03/13 16:53:00
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Thermo-Optical Hac Tao
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I like how he's firing the pintle gun with one of his mech-tentacles.
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2019/03/13 16:57:03
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Calculating Commissar
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(Un)holy gak! That thing is awesome!
Where the feth did that come from? 
Daemon engine forces will look pretty cool on the tabletop.
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2019/03/13 16:57:51
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Works on Kytan, Decimators, Blood Slaughterers, and Greater Brass Scorpion, too.
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2019/03/13 17:00:39
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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 Haighus wrote:(Un)holy gak! That thing is awesome!
Where the feth did that come from?
Daemon engine forces will look pretty cool on the tabletop.
Now we just need propper lost and the damned /R&H rules because clearly gw has the models for the list and we have anything Chaos representable on the table.
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GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
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2019/03/13 17:07:07
Subject: Re:Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Mighty Vampire Count
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Ok so that is really lovely model - first one in quite a while.
Reading the fluff - really dispaointing its not Dark Mechanicus - did it realy have to be just another Marine
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2019/03/13 17:08:13
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Martial Arts Fiday
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Did anyone else hear an audible POP as my interest in starting GSC vanished from this plane of existence?
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2019/03/13 17:10:07
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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Red_Five wrote: AndrewGPaul wrote: Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
I don't know. Their inclusion into 6th edition could have been any number of things that GW wanted to do. Maybe they were just generic filler villains for the Dark Angels to fight where the writers made up a story to go with their model design like you said. Maybe they meant to be the next big Chaos Space Marine thing and/or be the CSM poster boys but never caught on or something. Maybe they were simply meant to plant idea seeds on how even non-traitor legion CSM could be done. I can't say. Looking into a little more, it seems that GW seemed to want Crimson Slaughter to be a thing, but they never could decide on what that thing was. I also feel that Crimson Slaughter expansions and/or codex may have not sold well enough and/or the player base didn't become abuzz with them.
All I am saying is that the Dark Vengeance fluff was written to explain why the models looked the way they did. The writing spoke of the Chosen in the set like Space Hulk talked of the Terminators giving each one a name and a sentence or two on them. I can't remember if the Dark Angel tactical marines got the same treatment in the set. I painted mine in Black Legion and still use them. Although, I had to have the dual lightning claw one be the Aspiring Champion after GW decided to FAQ out that weapon loadout for non-champion Chosen for some reason. Or they can be count-as Fallen which still can have dual lightning claws even though the Dark Angel Veterans kit doesn't really allow it.
The Chosen miniatures - like all the rest - will have come first, with the fluff following on. The Crimson Slaughter seemed to be the Next Big Thing, as all the Chaos marine units on the website were repainted from Black Legion to Crimson Slaughter, they were the villains in the Officio Assasinorum Execution Force game and they were being set up with a rivalry to the Dark Angels and Red Corsairs. Apparently no-one in 8th edition could be bothered with them, although IIRC they get a quick mention in theConquest partwork fluff.
The way GW just dropped the Crimson Slaughter was jarring.
Yeah, didn't they literally die in traitor's hate/angel's blade, reduced in number to exactly the guys out of the 6th ed starter box? I seem to remember only Vrosh, 5 chosen and 1 helbrute escaped.
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2019/03/13 17:15:38
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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I can almost bet that thing will have alternate HQ choice riders with that ... That thing is sorta officially the new mount for csm
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2019/03/13 17:19:33
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Powerful Ushbati
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the_scotsman wrote: Red_Five wrote: AndrewGPaul wrote: Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
I don't know. Their inclusion into 6th edition could have been any number of things that GW wanted to do. Maybe they were just generic filler villains for the Dark Angels to fight where the writers made up a story to go with their model design like you said. Maybe they meant to be the next big Chaos Space Marine thing and/or be the CSM poster boys but never caught on or something. Maybe they were simply meant to plant idea seeds on how even non-traitor legion CSM could be done. I can't say. Looking into a little more, it seems that GW seemed to want Crimson Slaughter to be a thing, but they never could decide on what that thing was. I also feel that Crimson Slaughter expansions and/or codex may have not sold well enough and/or the player base didn't become abuzz with them.
All I am saying is that the Dark Vengeance fluff was written to explain why the models looked the way they did. The writing spoke of the Chosen in the set like Space Hulk talked of the Terminators giving each one a name and a sentence or two on them. I can't remember if the Dark Angel tactical marines got the same treatment in the set. I painted mine in Black Legion and still use them. Although, I had to have the dual lightning claw one be the Aspiring Champion after GW decided to FAQ out that weapon loadout for non-champion Chosen for some reason. Or they can be count-as Fallen which still can have dual lightning claws even though the Dark Angel Veterans kit doesn't really allow it.
The Chosen miniatures - like all the rest - will have come first, with the fluff following on. The Crimson Slaughter seemed to be the Next Big Thing, as all the Chaos marine units on the website were repainted from Black Legion to Crimson Slaughter, they were the villains in the Officio Assasinorum Execution Force game and they were being set up with a rivalry to the Dark Angels and Red Corsairs. Apparently no-one in 8th edition could be bothered with them, although IIRC they get a quick mention in theConquest partwork fluff.
The way GW just dropped the Crimson Slaughter was jarring.
Yeah, didn't they literally die in traitor's hate/angel's blade, reduced in number to exactly the guys out of the 6th ed starter box? I seem to remember only Vrosh, 5 chosen and 1 helbrute escaped.
Sounds like it is time for Vrosh and Hellbrutes most Excellent Adventure!
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2019/03/13 17:25:25
Subject: Shadow Spear & Vigilus II - guest appearance by Abaddon!
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Veteran Inquisitor with Xenos Alliances
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The Discordant, sure knows how to make Techmarines on bikes fee inadequate.
Rydria wrote:Can we get demon engine cavalry please, with those chain glaives.
Yes please.
On that, I'm not the only one that thinks Juggernauts of Khorne have always looked less like "daemons" and more like smaller Daemon engines?
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2019/03/13 17:41:01
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Khorne Chosen Marine Riding a Juggernaut
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i'm like a bit meh about it actually... dunno just looks like its back is broken 
might be better if the mount was different color to the dude
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2019/03/13 17:56:33
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Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
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Wow, that spider rider thing looks awful.
Maybe the rider would be salvageable for a bike or something, but the rest is a mess.
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