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**Latro_**

would be rather hilarious if death guard end up being able to have one (which they prob wont) PBC's hittin on 3's ooo

**spiralingcadaver**

ScarletRose wrote:
Wow, that spider rider thing looks awful.

Maybe the rider would be salvageable for a bike or something, but the rest is a mess.

Yeah, there's a lot of love for this thing, but I was glad I was home when browsing here, because I just started laughing when I saw that nonsense.

**aka_mythos**

The only thing that looks funny to me is the pintle weapon... I think I want to put it on his mechadendrite rig.

**GaroRobe**

Battle-ready Chaos Space Marine tutorial is up, showing how to paint one of the Shadowspear models. Only real noteworthy thing is that for once, comments are unblocked. Probably an oversight, though maybe they're taking feedback on youtube now?

**bullyboy**

aka_mythos wrote:
The only thing that looks funny to me is the pintle weapon... I think I want to put it on his mechadendrite rig.

Exactly my thought. Love everything but the weapon mount.

**Sotahullu**

bullyboy wrote:
aka_mythos wrote:
The only thing that looks funny to me is the pintle weapon... I think I want to put it on his mechadendrite rig.

Exactly my thought. Love everything but the weapon mount.

Actually, I have to agree here that weapon mount is weird.

**Drudge Dreadnought**

Boss Salvage wrote:
zaeroner wrote:
Also re: my point about daemon engines all sucking because they hit on 4+

Haha me too. Looks like Daemon Engines are back on the menu, boys!

This guy is a big deal in many ways. Being able to take a big model like this as an HQ is interesting too. I'm guessing he'll be ~225-250pts though. I hope this kit builds multiple units. It'd be nice to have a unit that's just the mount, and perhaps a version with a different rider? Well I can't get too picky!

**Boss Salvage**

Sotahullu wrote:
bullyboy wrote:
aka_mythos wrote:
The only thing that looks funny to me is the pintle weapon... I think I want to put it on his mechadendrite rig.
Exactly my thought. Love everything but the weapon mount.
Actually, I have to agree here that weapon mount is weird.

100% fine with it myself, I figure it's riding the hump of the mount and not necessarily being engaged right now, plus adds to the "I'mma socket this horrific weapon on right here because I'm a daemon engineer lulz" / "symmetry is for lapdogs" flavor.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Still not big on bling, but I'll be damned if that wasn't a fething fantastic model. GW is hitting it out of the park for anyone liking a little bit of Chaos in their Marines.

I'll also be seeing if I can get that Chainglaive arm on the cheap. I'm sure I can do something with it...

**Daedalus81**

Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
Boss Salvage wrote:
zaeroner wrote:
Also re: my point about daemon engines all sucking because they hit on 4+

Haha me too. Looks like Daemon Engines are back on the menu, boys!

This guy is a big deal in many ways. Being able to take a big model like this as an HQ is interesting too. I'm guessing he'll be ~225-250pts though. I hope this kit builds multiple units. It'd be nice to have a unit that's just the mount, and perhaps a version with a different rider? Well I can't get too picky!

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Ork Trikeboss packs a lot of punch in 120 points. This guy will be less than 200 unless he has a ton of wounds.

**Dr Mathias**

I'm amused by the need for leather reins

**Elbows**

I like the rider, but the mount is as ugly as all of the daemon engine models. If it wasn't so outlandish I'd have grabbed it up and modified it as a Dark Abeyant fella...might still give it a try, but not at the obnoxious MSRP it'll likely have.

**drbored**

spiralingcadaver wrote:
ScarletRose wrote:
Wow, that spider rider thing looks awful.

Maybe the rider would be salvageable for a bike or something, but the rest is a mess.

Yeah, there's a lot of love for this thing, but I was glad I was home when browsing here, because I just started laughing when I saw that nonsense.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion.

But for the record, you're both wrong.

**rollawaythestone**

Many big monsters or mounted characters end up being hard to use on the table if they are over 9 wounds. I think that's a big consideration. And if they are over 9 wounds, do they have an invuln save?

Model is absolutely awesome though!

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Fantastic model. Really dynamic.

**Darth Bob**

Yeah, I don't get how anyone can not like this monstrosity. It's probably the most "Chaos" Chaos model that GW has put out in years. I for one think it's fantastic and it shows how Games Workshop has come a long way from thinking Dinobots make good Daemon Engines.

**Elbows**

It's the "most Chaos" part that some of us don't like. Chaos tainted marines can exist without being cranked-to-11-I'm-so-evil-look-at-all-my-spikes, etc.

I play Renegades for instances...so this model does more or less nothing for me. I think the rider looks neat, but I don't need mechano-hentai riding beasts.

**Rogerio134134**

That model is magic! Definitely going to get one in future when I get round to painting the chaos side of my box set.

**Geifer**

I like the mount, but not the rider. I expect I'll like the rider even less once I see how he is seated.

That said, I don't like ridden monsters in general. Juggernauts are about as big as I accept before it gets ridiculous.

**Barzam**

So, this guy is sort of like a Tech Marine on bike, only in this case it's a warpsmith on a daemon engine. Basically a mounted engineer with HQ functions, yeah?

**Darth Bob**

Elbows wrote:
It's the "most Chaos" part that some of us don't like. Chaos tainted marines can exist without being cranked-to-11-I'm-so-evil-look-at-all-my-spikes, etc.

So how would you have done a Lord riding a Daemon Engine that would appeal to you, exactly? I get not wanting all your marines to be hyper-mutated and Chaos-y if you're playing Renegades, but if the model is literally "Chaos Lord riding a Daemon Engine" I'm not sure what else you were expecting, since that's pretty much spot-on with the Dark Mechanicus aesthetic that Daemon Engines are supposed to have.

**ScarletRose**

Darth Bob wrote:
Elbows wrote:
It's the "most Chaos" part that some of us don't like. Chaos tainted marines can exist without being cranked-to-11-I'm-so-evil-look-at-all-my-spikes, etc.

So how would you have done a Lord riding a Daemon Engine that would appeal to you, exactly? I get not wanting all your marines to be hyper-mutated and Chaos-y if you're playing Renegades, but if the model is literally "Chaos Lord riding a Daemon Engine" I'm not sure what else you were expecting.

My issue is the spider has a hump resembling the forge/maulerfiend so the rider is seated waaaay back on rear of it. It looks unbalanced.

And the mouth/head of the spider just looks bad to me.

Now maybe with some conversion work it might look ok, but as it is it's crossing that boundary between miniature and kid's toy.

**Crimson**

Darth Bob wrote:
Yeah, I don't get how anyone can not like this monstrosity. It's probably the most "Chaos" Chaos model that GW has put out in years.

It is because there is a significant contingent of Chaos Marine players who don't actually want Chaos in their Chaos Marines. They just want to play loyalist marines that are called Chaos Marines.

**Darkseid**

I count potentially three flamer weapons on that thing (mouth, pintle mounted and tail). If those are all bale flamers, that is going to be a lot of hurt.

While I really like the model, it has some minor issues. Getting rid of the tendendrils will make it look less busy. Also the pintle mounted flamer looks better than the autocannon.

**bullyboy**

Is there really any point in arguing over aesthetics? Of course people will have different opinions.
More importantly, will it affect the Chaos list substantially to be considered a good choice. I guess knowing how many wounds it has would be a start. If it's 10+ then I'd argue that it is already DOA.

**nagash42**

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Red_Five wrote:
AndrewGPaul wrote:
Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:

I don't know. Their inclusion into 6th edition could have been any number of things that GW wanted to do. Maybe they were just generic filler villains for the Dark Angels to fight where the writers made up a story to go with their model design like you said. Maybe they meant to be the next big Chaos Space Marine thing and/or be the CSM poster boys but never caught on or something. Maybe they were simply meant to plant idea seeds on how even non-traitor legion CSM could be done. I can't say. Looking into a little more, it seems that GW seemed to want Crimson Slaughter to be a thing, but they never could decide on what that thing was. I also feel that Crimson Slaughter expansions and/or codex may have not sold well enough and/or the player base didn't become abuzz with them.

All I am saying is that the Dark Vengeance fluff was written to explain why the models looked the way they did. The writing spoke of the Chosen in the set like Space Hulk talked of the Terminators giving each one a name and a sentence or two on them. I can't remember if the Dark Angel tactical marines got the same treatment in the set. I painted mine in Black Legion and still use them. Although, I had to have the dual lightning claw one be the Aspiring Champion after GW decided to FAQ out that weapon loadout for non-champion Chosen for some reason. Or they can be count-as Fallen which still can have dual lightning claws even though the Dark Angel Veterans kit doesn't really allow it.

The Chosen miniatures - like all the rest - will have come first, with the fluff following on. The Crimson Slaughter seemed to be the Next Big Thing, as all the Chaos marine units on the website were repainted from Black Legion to Crimson Slaughter, they were the villains in the Officio Assasinorum Execution Force game and they were being set up with a rivalry to the Dark Angels and Red Corsairs. Apparently no-one in 8th edition could be bothered with them, although IIRC they get a quick mention in theConquest partwork fluff.

The way GW just dropped the Crimson Slaughter was jarring.

They were pretty much killed off in Traitor's Hate. Abaddon sent them into the meatgrinder. I can live with that .

He didn't bring his whole force to the battle in traitor's hate though he did lose a lot of his guys. They stole a traitor transport and escaped and also still has his pretty awesome space hulk base.

**BrianDavion**

bullyboy wrote:
Is there really any point in arguing over aesthetics? Of course people will have different opinions.
More importantly, will it affect the Chaos list substantially to be considered a good choice. I guess knowing how many wounds it has would be a start. If it's 10+ then I'd argue that it is already DOA.

if it's 9 wounds it'll be an AMAZING HQ to follow a back of maulerfiends up the board

**fraser1191**

This guy's super cool and I'm a little in love.

But he makes me a little salty. He makes the marine half look pathetic, specifically the captain.

I know this is the chaos revamp release but I feel a bit too whelmed by the loyalist half

**VictorVonTzeentch**

The only thing I dont like about that model is the 'power' lever I wanna call it on the haft of that halberd, its too far up to ever be used when that guy is swinging it.

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fraser1191 wrote:
This guy's super cool and I'm a little in love.

But he makes me a little salty. He makes the marine half look pathetic, specifically the captain.

I know this is the chaos revamp release but I feel a bit too whelmed by the loyalist half

Well hes not actually in Shadow Spear, so...

But I get what you're saying, the new Marine HQs are kinda, eh.

**BrianDavion**

fraser1191 wrote:
This guy's super cool and I'm a little in love.

But he makes me a little salty. He makes the marine half look pathetic, specifically the captain.

I know this is the chaos revamp release but I feel a bit too whelmed by the loyalist half

Presumably vangaurd marines will get their own release in the near future and you can get it'll include some new toys.