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jullevi wrote:
I unboxed Shadowspear. I am disappointed to see that it comes with crappy 20 year old 40mm bases, especially now that they have (finally!!!) upgraded the molds.

What's the difference?

 Crimson wrote:

jullevi wrote:
I unboxed Shadowspear. I am disappointed to see that it comes with crappy 20 year old 40mm bases, especially now that they have (finally!!!) upgraded the molds.

What's the difference?

The year printed under the base is different? That's all I can guess

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jullevi wrote:
I unboxed Shadowspear. I am disappointed to see that it comes with crappy 20 year old 40mm bases, especially now that they have (finally!!!) upgraded the molds.

Mine actually came with 12 too many, and that many missing 32mm Put in a ticket with the Dub, assuming I'll end up calling and get it sorted. But still.

Any particular places have the best pre-order discounts? Probably gonna wanna get a bunch of this chaos jazz.

 Boss Salvage wrote:

jullevi wrote:
I unboxed Shadowspear. I am disappointed to see that it comes with crappy 20 year old 40mm bases, especially now that they have (finally!!!) upgraded the molds.

Mine actually came with 12 too many, and that many missing 32mm Put in a ticket with the Dub, assuming I'll end up calling and get it sorted. But still.

Are you sure? I think the only models on 32s in the set are the Chaos Marines and Infiltrators. All other models are on 40mms or bigger
That does seem odd.

Then again, it's happened to me. I bought a box of still sealed Custodes Bikers and it only came with 2 oval bases (but 3 of the clear 60mm rounds). Luckily, I had an extra Oval in my bitz bin.

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 Crimson wrote:

jullevi wrote:
I unboxed Shadowspear. I am disappointed to see that it comes with crappy 20 year old 40mm bases, especially now that they have (finally!!!) upgraded the molds.

What's the difference?

Old 40mm bases have uneven casting where base rim meets the top and casting mark on the side that needs to be filed smooth. New 40mm bases have completely smooth sides and the top has the same texture as 32mm bases. The base edges are thicker as well. New 40mm base has date 2018 on the bottom.

There are also new 2018 molds for 50mm and 65mm round bases and 120mm oval base. All of them feature thicker edges to make them less likely to warp. So far I have only seen these new bases on Gloomspite Gitz and Skaven Endless spells.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
How’s about not having a week of one guy repeatedly saying “there might not be!” and we wait for sprues pics, that will be along when (or before) the preorder goes up?

For all we know the description might mean there are heavy weapons, CC weapons and bolters all in one box, making multiple units. We have no idea. Just hang fire a few days, instead of bickering over unknowns.

If the box made multiple units, they’d have mentioned it in the ‘preorder next weekend’ article and shown examples of the other units.

I know that’s very much not in line with your message and I agree with the spirit of it, but this kit is only for Chaos Space Marines. What weapons are included, we won’t know until next weekend (although the autocannon they showed that wasn’t in Shadowspear was painted, but isn’t one of the examples here, so my moneys on Havocs for that).

Fun fact - Spear and standalone CSM have two very different heavy bolter models... And neither is the one from DE preview. So, yeah, Havocs are coming.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Do we expect new CSM decals to replace the ancient ones, or just a set of Black Legion ones?

Sadly, judging by recent Primaris garbage sheets outside of excellent Dark Imperium one, probably BL only

 Galef wrote:
Are you sure? I think the only models on 32s in the set are the Chaos Marines and Infiltrators.

Definitely, even read the instructions to make sure CSM weren't somehow on 40mm now - but even then 2 infiltrators would have been left out with just 8 32mm.

The 40mm we got do have aggressive flashing, but I've been cleaning these things for apparently two decades so whatev

Faction focus Black Legion:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/18/18th-mar-heretic-astartes-focus-the-black-legiongw-homepage-post-1/

New terminators look badass

legion focus up
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/18/18th-mar-heretic-astartes-focus-the-black-legiongw-homepage-post-1/?fbclid=IwAR1eBmUdY_5loKxxUNOsoUldZCd85o9DhgdIUZy-fEpfcZO70ak2lI1g4V4


















abby updated stats
for ref thats:
+1T edit(its +1S not T)
+1W

Welp, there it is. Terminators aren't getting new sculpts. Massive letdown for me.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
New terminators look badass

Dunno about that, I like current termies more. For one, much more varied helmets than these, trophy racks also featuring heads of xenos (instead of 100% Imperial), more badass guns and weapons, these do very little for me. Definitely weakest refreshed kit I have seen so far. Ironically, they might make pretty good set of Deathwatch termies

 Togusa wrote:
Welp, there it is. Terminators aren't getting new sculpts. Massive letdown for me.

These are new models. Quite similar to the old ones, but slightly reworked proportions, slightly bigger, and additional details (especially noticeable on the waist areas and loincloths).

 Togusa wrote:
Welp, there it is. Terminators aren't getting new sculpts. Massive letdown for me.

They are new sculpts. Poses and proportions are a lot better than the old guys.

 Irbis wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
New terminators look badass

Dunno about that, I like current termies more. For one, much more varied helmets than these, trophy racks also featuring heads of xenos (instead of 100% Imperial), more badass guns and weapons, these do very little for me. Definitely weakest refreshed kit I have seen so far. Ironically, they might make pretty good set of Deathwatch termies

I would bet there's a few more head options in the kit.

 Tiberius501 wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Welp, there it is. Terminators aren't getting new sculpts. Massive letdown for me.

They are new sculpts. Poses and proportions are a lot better than the old guys.

I believe you are right, it was just so hard to tell. Thanks for the clarification.

Let me rephrase "Whelp, time to start planning a new army."

they look....something. Not really impressed. Does GW actually think that terminators will be killing stuff in close combat? Or be in close combat in the first place?

In fact they way I understand it is that you have to pay CP to give your terminators a keyword, which will then allow them to pay CP in order to inflict more morale penalty in enemy units that you have to... kill in hth? With your 5" move, no deepstrike until turn 2 unit?

the strats and rules are pretty meh... woo hoo re-roll to hit with a unit of terminators bolters and you get a ld debugg for lawd knows how much cp.

lets hope for better in the book. such a shame GW are pushing basic marines and terminators that look to still be pretty lackluster on the table.

angels bane relic is nice though,,,, makes me think they might buff abby's talon bolter now since this thing is outright better than it

I do wonder if a big biker squad with some plasmas and a lot of combi bolters with tip of the spear and votlw could be a thing that could drown the opponent in save rolls.

I like the look of the new stuff but in my opinion those terminators are insulting to you pure Chaos Space Marines players. They know people will buy it because it's new and clearly didn't inject the same love as they did for the basic CSM.

 Brometheus wrote:
I like the look of the new stuff but in my opinion those terminators are insulting to you pure Chaos Space Marines players. They know people will buy it because it's new and clearly didn't inject the same love as they did for the basic CSM.

I could tell they were new but have 0 compulsion to add to/replace my current termies. They are undoubtedly nicer than the current ones, but not different or interesting enough to have much appeal for me.

Its hard to tell with the angle, but is that the autocannon from the rumor engine?

Presumably the chain axe and trophy spikes are in there.

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The stratagems seem needlessly complex. Lots of terms and conditions on 'reroll,' which doesn't really fit the flavor being talked about whenever 'point of the spear' comes up in the fluff.

I'd also like GW to stop using 'bespoke' as 'exclusive to this one subfaction.'. Or preferably stop using it at all. Its almost every other article at this point.

Voss wrote:
Its hard to tell with the angle, but is that the autocannon from the rumor engine?

Presumably the chain axe and trophy spikes are in there

The back left guy has the Chainaxe. The rumour engine autocannon only had one barrel, this one has 2.

Well it took few seconds to realize that those are new Terminators.

Also, I wouldn't put it pass that there is more to the new Terminators. By looking at the picture it looks like those trophy racks could be added or removed easily.

The termies are the following from daemon engine i think

 ImAGeek wrote:

Voss wrote:
Its hard to tell with the angle, but is that the autocannon from the rumor engine?

Presumably the chain axe and trophy spikes are in there

The back left guy has the Chainaxe. The rumour engine autocannon only had one barrel, this one has 2.

Ah, I wasn't sure. I was looking at the chain attachment.

Are those *gasp* not-primaris helmets on the terminators' trophy racks? I hope they have enough to fill out a squad, otherwise I'll need to resort to bits resellers. I don't want no primaris in my collection, not even as trophies!

Too bad we'll never see loyalist termies redone to this standard.

I love that the Chaos Termys kept theit tusks.
Gives them an instantly recognisable image different to the loyalists. And other legions specialist Termys.

I'm a bit annoyed, cos I'm probably gonna end up buying some Chaos stuff now.


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 dan2026 wrote:
I love that the Chaos Termys kept theit tusks.
Gives them an instantly recognisable image different to the loyalists. And other legions specialist Termys.

I love the tusks, they remind me of this art of the Alpha Legion terminator, which is just awesome.