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Well terrain pieces are fairly large. Question is are they actually useful for points or are they as bad as knight one that hurts you actively to use it and orks that's not much better(just MW generator for short range).

Inv save does sound it could actually be useful though...

tneva82 wrote:
Well terrain pieces are fairly large. Question is are they actually useful for points or are they as bad as knight one that hurts you actively to use it and orks that's not much better(just MW generator for short range).

Inv save does sound it could actually be useful though...

The GC one was reasonable. By no means a must take, but reasonable.

yes big question is will it actually be useful...a 5++ on models that already have a 5++ or a 3+ armor is almost useless.

Alot of weapons that kill and make old marines and CSM useless are AP -1/-2 and its volumn of fire that clears them from the board since they are only 1 wound.

This was an amazing chance for GW to fix the normal marine and CSM profiles and so far they didnt which was huge miss as it makes these new nicer looking kits un-usable in anything like competitive play.

As well if they nerfed cultistis even more it will probably remove Chaos from competitve play period esp with the imperial getting to sideboard assassins to help neuter 1k Sons psyker high commands.

 Latro_ wrote:
that gate actually looks fairly large!

I hope it's that big, otherwise how would you get a Puddlejumper through?

I want to model a techpriest sending a CAT through the gate like a MALP.

I'm expecting something like 5++ for units wholly within 6" like the nerfed void shield generator, and reroll 1s for summoning or psychic tests within 6"

from facebook

Would it not be magnificent if the bikers/Chaos Lord were new as opposed to reboxed.

(Well, maybe not the Chaos Lord... he'd become a mono-pose no options HQ)

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Would it not be magnificent if the bikers/Chaos Lord were new as opposed to reboxed.

(Well, maybe not the Chaos Lord... he'd become a mono-pose no options HQ)

Nice but very unlikely. I can't imagine them releasing new models new weeks and not including them in the 'Available for pre-order next week' WarCom article. Expect simple reboxes.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
we've seen pics of the autocanon with the previws so safe bet it's in the kit, GW hasn't exactly been prone to showing off conversions in ages

Previews of what? We've seen an Autocannon in a video. We've seen an Autocannon in a rumour engine pic. We've seen an autocannon on the push-fit Shadespire minis. There's no Autocannon in this recent Chaos Space Marine squad preview, and no implication that that the Autocannon we have seen that isn't the push-fit one is somehow a conversion.

Shadowspear minis aren't push-fit, FYI.

zamerion wrote:
from facebook

Spoiler:

I'm missing the Dark Apostle on that list

 Darkseid wrote:

zamerion wrote:
from facebook

Spoiler:

I'm missing the Dark Apostle on that list

Because it's not up for pre-order next week.

Yup.

Week after may include Dark Apostle, Havocs, Bloke On Daemon Thing and Terminators, as we've either seen them seen them, or seen enough rumour engine to reasonably deduce they're on the way.

And the article does say weeks, as in plural, so may be a further pre-order week after that too.

I am going to start doing very random, very weird sound effects if we are getting new Bikers and frigging Rhino.

Although more likely those are getting repackaged if going by those prices.

If I read that right the campaign book costs more than the codex, yes?

If so, that's a tough call on campaign v codex purchases.

I was wondering why the Forgefiend went MIA. Unless they want to give it new boxart, I can't see why it needs to be repackaged.
Will the chaos lord be a completely new model, or just the Blackstone fortress guy?

I’d imagine they are just repackaging. Unless it’s models we’ve seen.
(And a price increase? Or are these the same prices?)

Danny76 wrote:
I’d imagine they are just repackaging. Unless it’s models we’ve seen.
(And a price increase? Or are these the same prices?)

Looks like they're the same price. Just repackaging I believe, as you say.

SERIOUSLY??? I JUST BOUGHT THE FETHING CHAOS DATACARDS ON SATURDAY!!

They better take them back, I will be fething livid.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
The GAMA preview said that Vanguard rules will be in the Elites expansion. I wouldn't be surprised if CSM get expanded options in the same book.

Very nifty, I think that NOT using Infiltrators as Kill-Team units would be insane. Not sure how their scramblers would work.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
that gate actually looks fairly large!

I hope it's that big, otherwise how would you get a Puddlejumper through?

Well, closing the engines, duh

Wow €15 price increase for the new Chaos Space Marines. I like the new kit but I think such a large increase is a bit overkill.

Dice? Nice. Can't wait to see the design.

GaroRobe wrote:
I was wondering why the Forgefiend went MIA. Unless they want to give it new boxart, I can't see why it needs to be repackaged.
Will the chaos lord be a completely new model, or just the Blackstone fortress guy?

Good one. I completely forgot about Black Hammer. Would be cool if he gets released separately.

I think if we got a completely new model he would have been previewed in the article. Then again, I would have thought Black Hammer was new enough that the first time separate release would be heralded the same way.

Maybe it's another Chaos Lord? Maybe they didn't include the "in Terminator Armor" part on the sheet?

That's, in theory, $98AUD for the CSM box. I'll admit that I thought it'd be more so that's not too terrible.

 Low_K wrote:
Wow €15 price increase for the new Chaos Space Marines. I like the new kit but I think such a large increase is a bit overkill.

From the sounds/looks of it, it seems like this is similar to how the Primaris and Stormcast kits are set up--two sets of 5 man sprues.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Low_K wrote:
Wow €15 price increase for the new Chaos Space Marines. I like the new kit but I think such a large increase is a bit overkill.

From the sounds/looks of it, it seems like this is similar to how the Primaris and Stormcast kits are set up--two sets of 5 man sprues.

I could be wrong but, looking at the legs, it looks like it's 10 completely unique models.

Yeah they said it was't 2x5 in there from a modelling perspective.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
That's, in theory, $98AUD for the CSM box. I'll admit that I thought it'd be more so that's not too terrible.

$100 for 10 Marines isn't "too terrible". That's laughable.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
We don't see any power swords either.

I'm guessing that the Purge, Brazen Host, and other renegade chapters are being included specifically because death guard and thousand sons are mostly pulled out of the CSM book, to give God specific forces in the CSM book, and let the 4 legions be more specialized in their own books.

You know... That's not a terrible idea. Split out the 4 cult legions and leave the main chaos marine codex for the other 5 plus renegades. I can definitely see that working.

 Tiberius501 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Low_K wrote:
Wow €15 price increase for the new Chaos Space Marines. I like the new kit but I think such a large increase is a bit overkill.

From the sounds/looks of it, it seems like this is similar to how the Primaris and Stormcast kits are set up--two sets of 5 man sprues.

I could be wrong but, looking at the legs, it looks like it's 10 completely unique models.

I'm more than happy to be wrong whatever the case! There definitely appears to be some repeat parts but it might just be the CAD showing up. Can't wait to see the sprues.

I unboxed Shadowspear. I am disappointed to see that it comes with crappy 20 year old 40mm bases, especially now that they have (finally!!!) upgraded the molds.

 Kanluwen wrote:

I'm more than happy to be wrong whatever the case! There definitely appears to be some repeat parts but it might just be the CAD showing up. Can't wait to see the sprues.

I'm sure there will be a few repeated boltgun/pistol/sword arms or whatever, but every one of the legs in the squad is unique, so it's definitely a 10-man sprue which will have lots of goodies packed in.