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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
So with the Primaris people are crying about the new models being too different and with Chaos they're crying about them not being different enough...

Geeks being inconsistent and whiny by nature? Say it isn't so!

Entirely different people holding different point of view at different times and dishonest smugmongers trying to pretend there's some inconsistency there to justify their own misplaced sense of superiority? Sy it ain't so!

Chaos space marine bikers no longer available on the US GW store page as well as a few other kits.

Maybe the new Chaos Lord isn't a re-boxed Terminator Lord but the Hammer Dude from BSF?

 Yodhrin wrote:
Entirely different people holding different point of view at different times and dishonest smugmongers trying to pretend there's some inconsistency there to justify their own misplaced sense of superiority?

Pretty much this.

To be honest I love the new terminators. Yeah ok, they aren't that WOW as the new CSM but they didn't needed because the old CSM were basically tactical marines from 2003 but with Chaos Warrior helmets. Chaos Terminators had much more character to them.

I honestly can't tell what changed on the chaos terminators other than sharpening up detail and changing the shoulder pads a bit.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Maybe the new Chaos Lord isn't a re-boxed Terminator Lord but the Hammer Dude from BSF?

Huge if true - considering this would mean chaos get access to Thunder Hammers. - Chaos Smash Captains? GODS YES

I always figured the eye of horus was some way to depict being a long war veteran.

 Phobosftw wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Maybe the new Chaos Lord isn't a re-boxed Terminator Lord but the Hammer Dude from BSF?

Huge if true - considering this would mean chaos get access to Thunder Hammers. Chaos Smash Captain? GODS YES

He's a named character, not a generic.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Phobosftw wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Maybe the new Chaos Lord isn't a re-boxed Terminator Lord but the Hammer Dude from BSF?

Huge if true - considering this would mean chaos get access to Thunder Hammers. Chaos Smash Captain? GODS YES

He's a named character, not a generic.

Well, so are the BA/DA/SW Primaris Lieutenants...technically. And so was Captain Karlaen from Deathstorm prior to being released in a clampack. Not saying it is the same thing, but there have been some instances of named characters being repacked as generics.

 ph34r wrote:
I honestly can't tell what changed on the chaos terminators other than sharpening up detail and changing the shoulder pads a bit.

Well, those are still terminators after all. Not only all the detail on the body surface were reworked; also the proportions are different. The upper body is bulkier while the shoulderpad seem smaller in comparision. Best change imho are the combi-bolters which got rid of the oversized blade.

Given the increased bulk of the body, I think we can say goodbye to forgeworlds terminator upgrade kit, which was already a bit too small for the current terminators.

 Phobosftw wrote:
Huge if true - considering this would mean chaos get access to Thunder Hammers. - Chaos Smash Captains? GODS YES

Actually all it would mean is that the Chaos Lord in Power Armour would gain access to a Thunder Hammer, or come with it by default, and have no other options, because that's all the model can have.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Phobosftw wrote:
Huge if true - considering this would mean chaos get access to Thunder Hammers. - Chaos Smash Captains? GODS YES

Actually all it would mean is that the Chaos Lord in Power Armour would gain access to a Thunder Hammer, or come with it by default, and have no other options, because that's all the model can have.

Well that'd be just sad, especially when we consider that the good old terminator Lord / sorcerer was one of their better models and still is.

I'd be surprised if the BSF Lord was put into the Chaos Codex. He's got rules as part of the 'Slaves to the Abyss' 'minidex', and that's where they'll leave him.

That said, they really need some more options for plastic Lords and Sorcerers to replace a lot of the old metal/finecast. I bet it's coming, but they don't want anything to outshine Abaddon just yet.

As for bikers... Well, I personally would LOVE new bikers. They're one of my favorite units, despite having woefully old models. That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see them go the way of the dodo...

We'll see what happens. If they're updating Havocs, then Bikers would make sense too...

BUT, do note that despite Havocs and Terminators as confirmed getting new kits, they're available on the GW website just fine. It could just be reboxing. :/

 Crimson wrote:
So with the Primaris people are crying about the new models being too different and with Chaos they're crying about them not being different enough...

Warhammer 40k is:
20% whining about what you play
20% whining about what you don't play
20% whining about Age of Sigmar
20% arguing about lore
10% crafting and painting
5% list building
3% packing and unpacking models
2% playing the game

The new rotor cannon means the Havocs can't be just a rebox.

The new pictures of terminators mean the Terminators can't be just a rebox.

Is anyone saying the Termies are a rebox?

H.B.M.C. wrote:Is anyone saying the Termies are a rebox?

drbored wrote:I'd be surprised if the BSF Lord was put into the Chaos Codex. He's got rules as part of the 'Slaves to the Abyss' 'minidex', and that's where they'll leave him.

That said, they really need some more options for plastic Lords and Sorcerers to replace a lot of the old metal/finecast. I bet it's coming, but they don't want anything to outshine Abaddon just yet.

As for bikers... Well, I personally would LOVE new bikers. They're one of my favorite units, despite having woefully old models. That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see them go the way of the dodo...

We'll see what happens. If they're updating Havocs, then Bikers would make sense too...

BUT, do note that despite Havocs and Terminators as confirmed getting new kits, they're available on the GW website just fine. It could just be reboxing. :/

Yes.

Havocs and Terminators are definitely new (we’ve seen the new models...). Bikers are just a reboxing, as they’re on the price list for this saturdays preorders and they didn’t show them last night in the preorder preview, so they’re just the existing models, sadly.

 Kanluwen wrote:
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I'm getting one of these for my Alpha Legion Kill Team, naming him "Blane". He's gonna chew Lho leaves, and name that gun "Elder Without Pain".

 ImAGeek wrote:
Yes.

Bizarre. I mean, these Terminators aren't exactly setting the world on fire from an originality perspective, but they're clearly new miniatures once you look at the details. Parts on them don't exist in the current kit, and they've got guns and HTH weapons in opposite hands on some minis, which you can't do with the current kit.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Havocs and Terminators are definitely new (we’ve seen the new models...). Bikers are just a reboxing, as they’re on the price list for this saturdays preorders and they didn’t show them last night in the preorder preview, so they’re just the existing models, sadly.

Real shame that. Wouldn't it be nice if it were a surprise new biker kit to make the riders at least look like the new PA CSMs.

Or *wish-listing machine on* it was a triple kit that allowed you to make regular Chaos Bikers, Berzerker Bikers and Noise Marine Bikers all in one kit! They could even call the Emperor's Children bikers "Doom Riders" in a nice homage to the man himself.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Yes.

Bizarre. I mean, these Terminators aren't exactly setting the world on fire from an originality perspective, but they're clearly new miniatures once you look at the details. Parts on them don't exist in the current kit, and they've got guns and HTH weapons in opposite hands on some minis, which you can't do with the current kit.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Havocs and Terminators are definitely new (we’ve seen the new models...). Bikers are just a reboxing, as they’re on the price list for this saturdays preorders and they didn’t show them last night in the preorder preview, so they’re just the existing models, sadly.

Real shame that. Wouldn't it be nice if it were a surprise new biker kit to make the riders at least look like the new PA CSMs.

Or *wish-listing machine on* it was a triple kit that allowed you to make regular Chaos Bikers, Berzerker Bikers and Noise Marine Bikers all in one kit! They could even call the Emperor's Children bikers "Doom Riders" in a nice homage to the man himself.

It would be very nice. Not really sure how much grounds there is to complain with all the awesome stuff we are getting, but the biker kits are frankly awful now.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Yes.

Bizarre. I mean, these Terminators aren't exactly setting the world on fire from an originality perspective, but they're clearly new miniatures once you look at the details. Parts on them don't exist in the current kit, and they've got guns and HTH weapons in opposite hands on some minis, which you can't do with the current kit.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Havocs and Terminators are definitely new (we’ve seen the new models...). Bikers are just a reboxing, as they’re on the price list for this saturdays preorders and they didn’t show them last night in the preorder preview, so they’re just the existing models, sadly.

Real shame that. Wouldn't it be nice if it were a surprise new biker kit to make the riders at least look like the new PA CSMs.

Or *wish-listing machine on* it was a triple kit that allowed you to make regular Chaos Bikers, Berzerker Bikers and Noise Marine Bikers all in one kit! They could even call the Emperor's Children bikers "Doom Riders" in a nice homage to the man himself.

It would be very nice. Not really sure how much grounds there is to complain with all the awesome stuff we are getting, but the biker kits are frankly awful now.

With a range as large as the Space Marine or Chaos Marine ranges, it's unfortunate that they simply can't replace every old kit at the same time. Honestly, they're probably going to phase out things like bikers and all the old rhino-based tanks in the long-run. It's just a matter of waiting it out.

So, in lieu of new bikes, I'll focus on the neat stuff like new terminators and daemon engines.

Oh right, I had forgotten that the gatling Havoc had those fancy feet. So it is definitely a separate kit.

I wonder if the forgeworld models look out of place with the new kits. I like some of the new stuff, but Forge world just a has a different aesthetic going that I prefer. I'm still planning to get me some gal vorbak at some point, but now I'm hesitant to also pick up the regular heresy era guys. Already converted some of the termies to chaos.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Bizarre. I mean, these Terminators aren't exactly setting the world on fire from an originality perspective, but they're clearly new miniatures once you look at the details. Parts on them don't exist in the current kit, and they've got guns and HTH weapons in opposite hands on some minis, which you can't do with the current kit.

I thought so too at first, but then realized that I probably couldn't tell an old Tau kit for a new one; same goes for a couple of other armies that I rarely play against.

That's a good point. I doubt there's much in it between the original Firewarriors and the new Firewarriors. Crisis Suits as well, probably.

The differences between the old and new crisis suits are pretty masive. Not so much in Fire Warriors or Old Tacticals and New Tacticals.

New Crisis suits have a waist, for a start, and just better detail and proportions



But not all new kits needs to be a giant reimagination. Specially when the basic concepts and old models are just very good. I would love a new possessed and khorne berzerker kit, reimagined. But Eldar Aspect Warrios don't need that heavy of a redesign to look good.

Nice to see them all being redone, its about time and they can fit in nicely with the older stuff as well so ive not got much to moan about here apart from the tusks, never really liked those !!

At this point I'd be surprised if the bikes are only being repacked. The kit is quite old as well.

Sadly, I don't think I saw any teaser picture that would hint 'bikes'.

The bikes are the third iteration for chaos bikes.

I think the old Chaos Terminator models already looked fantastic. So, I am kinda glad the new ones are similar to the old ones, just with slightly more detail. Honestly there was nothing wrong with the old ones. In fact, the old terminator models were pretty amazing already and I loved them. So, the new terminator models are great !