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Voss wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:
What really blew me away was how they wasted text space showing off the Warsmith, an ancient metal model that's going to look horrible next to all of the new stuff. Maybe if they had a cool conversion to show off indicating how to build a Warsmith out of bits from newer kits, sure, but I don't think anything is gained by anyone from those paragraphs.

That was actually the best bit of the entire article. Certainly the most informative.


But I don't think you understand what those articles are for. All those links to things in the webstore? That's the point, they're sales vehicles, not significant sources of rules.

I was kinda under the impression that the point of these previews was to sell the Vigilus supplement (and, by extension, the new edition of the codex) not to sell one of the most out-of-date models on the store. It's not even in stock in the American store.

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I guess one noteworthy thing in those pictures is that the guy with the rotor cannon appears to be a regular CSM. It doesn't have the feet of the Havoc with the rotor cannon shown earlier. So at the very least this appears to be an option for regular CSM squads as well; not a Havoc exclusive.

Based on the Pauldrons of the Night Lords, it appears that there is a new decal sheet incoming.

Rotor cannons for everyone!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Rotor cannons for everyone!

Hopefully it's good!

looks like you get an odd mix of backpack icons there seems to be generic chaos star in the above but the BL pick had an eye of horus one

Well you can atleast clearly see how bigger those new CSM grunts are when next to those Raptors.

They need to bring the fluff back onto the tabletop.

Make it so iron warriors get some kind of boost to their demon forgre or special access to something (make it so a spearhead of iron warriors produced 2 cp instead of 1). That would at least have shown that the iw prefer their heavy stuff.

If thats what the next batch of previews is going to look like then its like yodhrin said, buzzkill....

Not Online!!! wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Rotor cannons for everyone!

Hopefully it's good!

I'd guess 95% that it will be a 24" heavy 4 S5 AP -1 Dam 1 weapon. A soulreaper cannon minus the inferno bolts. Either 10 points like the heavy bolter, or 8 points like the soulreaper minus the cost of inferno bolts.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Rotor cannons for everyone!

Hopefully it's good!

I'd guess 95% that it will be a 24" heavy 4 S5 AP -1 Dam 1 weapon. A soulreaper cannon minus the inferno bolts. Either 10 points like the heavy bolter, or 8 points like the soulreaper minus the cost of inferno bolts.

The rogue trader one was 24" Heavy 4 S4 Ap-1 D2:


I guess the biggest question is if this is actually a 'rotor cannon' or a 'warpreaper' or 'chaosgattler' or whatever.

Wasn't there a rumour (by FWS IIRC) that the gatling cannon was heavy 8?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Rotor cannons for everyone!

Hopefully it's good!

I'd guess 95% that it will be a 24" heavy 4 S5 AP -1 Dam 1 weapon. A soulreaper cannon minus the inferno bolts. Either 10 points like the heavy bolter, or 8 points like the soulreaper minus the cost of inferno bolts.

That would be a terrible weapon option for havocs honestly. Soulreaper works with thousand Sons because they can move and fire without penalty. 24" + heavy would be a very terrible weapon for havocs, although it would compliment the "5 CSM MSU camping a backfield objective with beta bolter rules" narrative.

Azuza001 wrote:
They need to bring the fluff back onto the tabletop.

Make it so iron warriors get some kind of boost to their demon forgre or special access to something (make it so a spearhead of iron warriors produced 2 cp instead of 1). That would at least have shown that the iw prefer their heavy stuff.

Actual Question: Is there a way for Iron Warriors to take their basilisks in 8E? Is there a renegade guard or FW workaround I don't know about? Because stuff like that is an obvious use - and strength - of soup in the service of fluffy mayhem, but I can't remember if renegade guard options exist or I assumed they obviously must.

Also re: CSM sucking: I'd be ok if they all got bolters, bolt pistols + ccw again. 1 attak is garbage (so is 2 S4 AP0 frankly), but I miss my dudes feeling like they were prepared for anything while the lapdogs were stuck with their codex dictates (or the Primaris' extra strict options). Plus it made modeling far easier when everybody was simply armed to da teef

But if we're wishlisting, starting all power armor marines at the Deathwatch stat line would be a good start. Last time I played with my CSM it was vs DW and I was shocked that all his dudes had +1A and +1LD over my 1000+ year old edgelords Same deal in KT, where CSM are lame af while DW have the skills to actually get work done. On top of the tools.

Warpdakka gatling Is Heavy 8 S5 AP-1 D1 for 20Pts

Sarevokk wrote:
Warpdakka gatling Is Heavy 8 S5 AP-1 D1 for 20Pts

So it is a better Onslaught Gatling Cannon. Nice.

I don't play much Chaos any more- in fact, Kill Team is just an excuse for me to justify being a bit heretical here and there...

... but I'm buying that new kit, it looks like it's way too fun to play around with. I'll probably build a 'meh' Kill-Team, but prioritize building 'cool toys'.

 Boss Salvage wrote:

Azuza001 wrote:
They need to bring the fluff back onto the tabletop.

Make it so iron warriors get some kind of boost to their demon forgre or special access to something (make it so a spearhead of iron warriors produced 2 cp instead of 1). That would at least have shown that the iw prefer their heavy stuff.

Actual Question: Is there a way for Iron Warriors to take their basilisks in 8E? Is there a renegade guard or FW workaround I don't know about? Because stuff like that is an obvious use - and strength - of soup in the service of fluffy mayhem, but I can't remember if renegade guard options exist or I assumed they obviously must.

Also re: CSM sucking: I'd be ok if they all got bolters, bolt pistols + ccw again. 1 attak is garbage (so is 2 S4 AP0 frankly), but I miss my dudes feeling like they were prepared for anything while the lapdogs were stuck with their codex dictates (or the Primaris' extra strict options). Plus it made modeling far easier when everybody was simply armed to da teef

But if we're wishlisting, starting all power armor marines at the Deathwatch stat line would be a good start. Last time I played with my CSM it was vs DW and I was shocked that all his dudes had +1A and +1LD over my 1000+ year old edgelords Same deal in KT, where CSM are lame af while DW have the skills to actually get work done. On top of the tools.

1: Yes Renegades and Heretics still exist, still have acess to regular basilisks.

2: Yes melee weapon Bolters Boltpistols, would be nice.

3: well, spike tax must exist.

Not Online!!! wrote:
1: Yes Renegades and Heretics still exist, still have acess to regular basilisks.

So Iron Warrior players right now can take a spearhead of basilisks to accompany their CSM detachment(s)? I'm surprised I never hear about this, and my IW brother certainly doesn't know about it. Maybe because basilisks secretly suck now? I literally do not know, just wondering if the IW armies of yore can still be a thing, with all the bitterness dripping from this thread. Gonna go out on a limb and say sure, old IW armies of CSM + artillery are legal, but the meta has evolved and all the components of that classic build are overcosted / underperformers.

3: well, spike tax must exist.

QFT

It's probably a Hades Autocannon.

The heldrake one is tiny.

I've put a few of the models from Shadow Spear together now. They are actually really great. The suppressors are kind of crazy, but very cool in my opinion.

I'm less of a fan of the eliminators, but that's kind of a personal preference thing. I might try converting one of them with a set of reiver legs or something, so they aren't so identical.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/20/20th-mar-heretic-astartes-focus-the-night-lordsgw-homepage-post-1/

here it is.....with specialist detachment


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Wait, are they talking about Renegades later today? If so I hope they talk about Crimson Slaughter.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Wait, are they talking about Renegades later today? If so I hope they talk about Crimson Slaughter.

Renegades are probably Monday, unless they skip or double up along the way.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Wait, are they talking about Renegades later today? If so I hope they talk about Crimson Slaughter.

I don't think it will be today. Those articles are on a daily basis usually

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Wait, are they talking about Renegades later today? If so I hope they talk about Crimson Slaughter.

So far they're doing a bit about one legion every day:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/18/heretic-astartes-focus-index/

So the article renegades will most likely be a few days off still. Monday if they do one every day.

xxCP re-rolls for crap units blah blah blah

renegades looks like might also be today this was posted today to the site

edit: actually might have this wrong

Man these community reveals are not going so swell. I don't regret getting Shadow Spear but I regret the models look good and the rules do not.

They may as well try doing two articles a day so that the player base can get their salt out of the way.

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