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stormcraft wrote:
Yea the Red Corsair Battalion could become a Chaos Staple

Yeah, I fully expect to see the Heretical 17 in a lot of lists. 2x Champs with Combi-Bolters and 3x 5 CSM squads w/ Heavy Bolters and Combi Champs for 375 and 8 CP? Yes, please.

 Latro_ wrote:
The CS trait looks great till you realise its replacing something like AL's -1 to hit for the potential of maybe getting 1cp back a turn.

People will literally soup up somehow to have a durable mop up unit be 'crimson slaughter' to use this with the rest of the army being something else ofc

You forgot the morale immunity they have.

They once again did what Word Bearers want to do but better.

zinch wrote:
Oh, c'mon! The Red corsairs trait is super busted and there's already people complaining

Yeah, do you know why? If you did I don't think you would have posted this.

Also you can still run the more limited Detachments and still receive extra CP for Red Corsairs. All it does is make Chaos Marines a tax rather than being useful for anything.

So basically they gave Chaos the answer to the Loyal 32: The Red 17 (3x5 CSM squads and two HQ).

This is fething insulting to anyone who plays Traitor Legions, like seriously. I can't even begin to describe how pissed I am about this. It nearly undoes any excitement at all I had for the new models.

 Platuan4th wrote:

stormcraft wrote:
Yea the Red Corsair Battalion could become a Chaos Staple

Yeah, I fully expect to see the Heretical 17 in a lot of lists. 2x Champs with Combi-Bolters and 3x 5 CSM squads w/ Heavy Bolters and Combi Champs for 375 and 8 CP? Yes, please.

Why pick champs when you can pick warpsmiths? Or socerers?

Wayniac wrote:

zinch wrote:
Oh, c'mon! The Red corsairs trait is super busted and there's already people complaining

Yeah, do you know why? If you did I don't think you would have posted this.

It isn't busted because of how bad Chaos Marines are as a unit. We can effectively get the same from a double Battalion of Renegades & Heretics.

Wayniac wrote:
So basically they gave Chaos the answer to the Loyal 32: The Red 17 (3x5 CSM squads and two HQ).

This is fething insulting to anyone who plays Traitor Legions, like seriously. I can't even begin to describe how pissed I am about this. It nearly undoes any excitement at all I had for the new models.

Who would win:
10'000 + years off veterancy, or some raidy Boys?

I think this is good. The game needed a new way to farm CP's cheaply.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Wayniac wrote:

zinch wrote:
Oh, c'mon! The Red corsairs trait is super busted and there's already people complaining

Yeah, do you know why? If you did I don't think you would have posted this.

It isn't busted because of how bad Chaos Marines are as a unit. We can effectively get the same from a double Battalion of Renegades & Heretics.

(actually you can get it cheaper with AM vehicles on top if you use R&H but SHHHHH)

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
The CS trait looks great till you realise its replacing something like AL's -1 to hit for the potential of maybe getting 1cp back a turn.

People will literally soup up somehow to have a durable mop up unit be 'crimson slaughter' to use this with the rest of the army being something else ofc

You forgot the morale immunity they have.

They once again did what Word Bearers want to do but better.

Only immune if that unit kills something.

Not Online!!! wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
So basically they gave Chaos the answer to the Loyal 32: The Red 17 (3x5 CSM squads and two HQ).

This is fething insulting to anyone who plays Traitor Legions, like seriously. I can't even begin to describe how pissed I am about this. It nearly undoes any excitement at all I had for the new models.

Who would win:
10'000 + years off veterancy, or some raidy Boys?

How isn't this a meme yet?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think this is good. The game needed a new way to farm CP's cheaply.

Oh man, I had to read this a couple times. The sarcasm kept getting into my eyes.

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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
So basically they gave Chaos the answer to the Loyal 32: The Red 17 (3x5 CSM squads and two HQ).

This is fething insulting to anyone who plays Traitor Legions, like seriously. I can't even begin to describe how pissed I am about this. It nearly undoes any excitement at all I had for the new models.

Who would win:
10'000 + years off veterancy, or some raidy Boys?

How isn't this a meme yet?

It is my friend , it is.



Except maybee alpha legion comes out of hiding and just tops this, and then they will get nerfed again until they hide!

This almost makes me wonder if there's some kind of internal directive, maybe a gypsy curse on Games Workshop, whereby with every release if they give the players one thing that they ask for they are compelled to royally gak the bed on some other aspect to undermine it.

Releases that get in-depth, cool rules that are intelligently designed with internal balance in mind aren't allowed to get any new models.

Releases that put out all the models people have been clamoring for, replacing core troops and fan favorite characters instead of leaving those fugly and old and slapping on shiny new elites and new characters nobody asked for get incredibly lazy, terrible rules to back them up.

Releases that give loyalist space marines have so much player demand behind them that GW is actually compelled to give them hideous fluff, models, and rules just to compensate.

Also that Red Corsairs weapon though. That's a good amount of hurt on any target.

the_scotsman wrote:
This almost makes me wonder if there's some kind of internal directive, maybe a gypsy curse on Games Workshop, whereby with every release if they give the players one thing that they ask for they are compelled to royally gak the bed on some other aspect to undermine it.

Releases that get in-depth, cool rules that are intelligently designed with internal balance in mind aren't allowed to get any new models.

Releases that put out all the models people have been clamoring for, replacing core troops and fan favorite characters instead of leaving those fugly and old and slapping on shiny new elites and new characters nobody asked for get incredibly lazy, terrible rules to back them up.

Releases that give loyalist space marines have so much player demand behind them that GW is actually compelled to give them hideous fluff, models, and rules just to compensate.

It's like when you use Wish in D&D. The DM is obligated to twist it to feth you over.

"I wish for a million gold pieces!"
*They come from the king's treasury and his guards are after you*

"I wish to be immortal!"
*You turn into a statue*

Same thing here. GW fix Chaos Marines. "Okay, we'll just give it to renegades because feth Traitor Legoins"

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Wayniac wrote:

zinch wrote:
Oh, c'mon! The Red corsairs trait is super busted and there's already people complaining

Yeah, do you know why? If you did I don't think you would have posted this.

It isn't busted because of how bad Chaos Marines are as a unit. We can effectively get the same from a double Battalion of Renegades & Heretics.

You get 8CP for each battalion and ALL your army can advance and charge for only 45 points over a cultist battalion and you get to upgrade your cultists to CSM for your troubles. Yeah, it's realy bad.

I guess people can be upset if they play another legion, but that is another issue (I play my own chapter so I can change chapter tactics as I want, but I understand that not everyone is willing to)

Wayniac wrote:
So basically they gave Chaos the answer to the Loyal 32: The Red 17 (3x5 CSM squads and two HQ).

This is fething insulting to anyone who plays Traitor Legions, like seriously. I can't even begin to describe how pissed I am about this. It nearly undoes any excitement at all I had for the new models.

Then run your legionaries with Red Corsair rules.

In The Lords of Silence a renegade CSM is bitter because he's had more life experience than many original Legion Death Guard, and wonders if he's thrown in his lot with the right bunch of traitors. It's pretty funny.

 Crimson wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
So basically they gave Chaos the answer to the Loyal 32: The Red 17 (3x5 CSM squads and two HQ).

This is fething insulting to anyone who plays Traitor Legions, like seriously. I can't even begin to describe how pissed I am about this. It nearly undoes any excitement at all I had for the new models.

Then run your legionaries with Red Corsair rules.

Or field a red corsair support battalion?
They are pirates and mercs afterall, heck abbadoff has bought Huron out to help him in the newer fluff .

zinch wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Wayniac wrote:

zinch wrote:
Oh, c'mon! The Red corsairs trait is super busted and there's already people complaining

Yeah, do you know why? If you did I don't think you would have posted this.

It isn't busted because of how bad Chaos Marines are as a unit. We can effectively get the same from a double Battalion of Renegades & Heretics.

You get 8CP for each battalion and ALL your army can advance and charge for only 45 points over a cultist battalion and you get to upgrade your cultists to CSM for your troubles. Yeah, it's realy bad.

I guess people can be upset if they play another legion, but that is another issue (I play my own chapter so I can change chapter tactics as I want, but I understand that not everyone is willing to)

Which is why I made mention of Renegades and Heretics. Double battalion works.

Wayniac wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
This almost makes me wonder if there's some kind of internal directive, maybe a gypsy curse on Games Workshop, whereby with every release if they give the players one thing that they ask for they are compelled to royally gak the bed on some other aspect to undermine it.

Releases that get in-depth, cool rules that are intelligently designed with internal balance in mind aren't allowed to get any new models.

Releases that put out all the models people have been clamoring for, replacing core troops and fan favorite characters instead of leaving those fugly and old and slapping on shiny new elites and new characters nobody asked for get incredibly lazy, terrible rules to back them up.

Releases that give loyalist space marines have so much player demand behind them that GW is actually compelled to give them hideous fluff, models, and rules just to compensate.

It's like when you use Wish in D&D. The DM is obligated to twist it to feth you over.

"I wish for a million gold pieces!"
*They come from the king's treasury and his guards are after you*

"I wish to be immortal!"
*You turn into a statue*

Same thing here. GW fix Chaos Marines. "Okay, we'll just give it to renegades because feth Traitor Legoins"

"Games Workshop we need you to fix the problems with power armor"

"no, not hit rerolls, with Power Armor."

"Not nerfs to things people use instead of power armor, fix power armor"

"Not specialist detachments, just fix basic power armor units please."

"power armor"

"not buff storm shields, the power armor itself."

Accurate description of the situation is Acurate. Scotti.

So you're telling me I have to play Renegades from now on...

8CP battalions. So that's why I would have to buy the new CSM boxes... I see, GW. I see.

I love how the Flawless Cloak does the exact same as the Black Templar relic, only gives an additional bonus of +1A.

I guess the batallion still has to be all Red corsairs though for the trait to work right?

no cheaper renegades/daemon hq/units shenigians

Now what's the least useless HQ tax to make the "Raiding 17" mandatory MSU battalion?

topaxygouroun i wrote:
Now what's the least useless HQ tax to make the "Raiding 17" mandatory MSU battalion?

Can't you take daemon princes and stuff? I don't see why you need to look at it as a tax at all. Chaos HQs are kind of the good thing about the army.

I mean the tactic is that you get to advance and charge. That seems like it would be decent on a daemon prince, or maybe somebody withon a bike or jump pack.

Don't forget that corsairs don't get access to veterans of the long war, losing out on the most useful stratagem