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Hope GW have at least one legion upgrade sprue planned. Nightlords would be my choice.

 Gael Knight wrote:
Hope GW have at least one legion upgrade sprue planned. Nightlords would be my choice.

Yea I'm curious about this too as there are Black Legion 'eyes' on some belt buckles and chest braces.

Reading about the fallen bit on warhammer community about them taking an important role in the story of vigilus ablaze, I'm tend to believe that this story will lead us to the appearance of Luther and then the Lion.

WhiteDog wrote:
Reading about the fallen bit on warhammer community about them taking an important role in the story of vigilus ablaze, I'm tend to believe that this story will lead us to the appearance of Luther and then the Lion.

Since they've said they'll reduce the appearance of Primarchs... Luther maybe, Lion not so much

 Vector Strike wrote:

WhiteDog wrote:
Reading about the fallen bit on warhammer community about them taking an important role in the story of vigilus ablaze, I'm tend to believe that this story will lead us to the appearance of Luther and then the Lion.

Since they've said they'll reduce the appearance of Primarchs

Where?

 Latro_ wrote:
i'll snip this out ... helllo

What happened to the original picture in your post? I need to see it again because I'm not convinced those aren't new posessed in the background, but your original post just has a . in it now?

 Vector Strike wrote:

Since they've said they'll reduce the appearance of Primarchs...

This is great news! I hope they reduce that by putting a bullet in Guilliman's noggin!

 Vector Strike wrote:

WhiteDog wrote:
Reading about the fallen bit on warhammer community about them taking an important role in the story of vigilus ablaze, I'm tend to believe that this story will lead us to the appearance of Luther and then the Lion.

Since they've said they'll reduce the appearance of Primarchs... Luther maybe, Lion not so much

Source? Sounds like BS to me.

 Vector Strike wrote:

WhiteDog wrote:
Reading about the fallen bit on warhammer community about them taking an important role in the story of vigilus ablaze, I'm tend to believe that this story will lead us to the appearance of Luther and then the Lion.

Since they've said they'll reduce the appearance of Primarchs... Luther maybe, Lion not so much

It's more or less hyped in the last DA codex ...

WhiteDog wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:

WhiteDog wrote:
Reading about the fallen bit on warhammer community about them taking an important role in the story of vigilus ablaze, I'm tend to believe that this story will lead us to the appearance of Luther and then the Lion.

Since they've said they'll reduce the appearance of Primarchs... Luther maybe, Lion not so much

It's more or less hyped in the last DA codex ...

It was quite hyped in that book.

I'm still waiting for someone to provide evidence that game designers, or marketing representatives form Games Workshop have stated that they're no longer interested in making and selling Primarch models for Warhammer 40,000.

 Togusa wrote:

WhiteDog wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:

WhiteDog wrote:
Reading about the fallen bit on warhammer community about them taking an important role in the story of vigilus ablaze, I'm tend to believe that this story will lead us to the appearance of Luther and then the Lion.

Since they've said they'll reduce the appearance of Primarchs... Luther maybe, Lion not so much

It's more or less hyped in the last DA codex ...

It was quite hyped in that book.

I'm still waiting for someone to provide evidence that game designers, or marketing representatives form Games Workshop have stated that they're no longer interested in making and selling Primarch models for Warhammer 40,000.

yeah me too. because I don't buy it, sure some people here have complained but by and alrge the reaction to the Primarchs even here (and Dakka Dakka is a bit of a pit of negativity) has been pretty positive

BrianDavion wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

WhiteDog wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:

WhiteDog wrote:
Reading about the fallen bit on warhammer community about them taking an important role in the story of vigilus ablaze, I'm tend to believe that this story will lead us to the appearance of Luther and then the Lion.

Since they've said they'll reduce the appearance of Primarchs... Luther maybe, Lion not so much

It's more or less hyped in the last DA codex ...

It was quite hyped in that book.

I'm still waiting for someone to provide evidence that game designers, or marketing representatives form Games Workshop have stated that they're no longer interested in making and selling Primarch models for Warhammer 40,000.

yeah me too. because I don't buy it, sure some people here have complained but by and alrge the reaction to the Primarchs even here (and Dakka Dakka is a bit of a pit of negativity) has been pretty positive

We can all disagree. Heck, I'll be the first to say I can think of times I've overreacted to something here. But it seems like the last two months, that pit of negativity has been getting worse and worse, to the point I'm considering just not coming back to the site!

That said, I'm going to go ahead and call it. The dude who made the statement is full of water, Google turned up zero hits.

People, don't spread bogus stuff like this.

They didn't say that they were no longer interested in making Primarchs. What they did say is that they were in no rush to bring any more out.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
They didn't say that they were no longer interested in making Primarchs. What they did say is that they were in no rush to bring any more out.

which makes perfect sense, Gulliman, oddly, works from a story point of view as the soul loyalist primarch left, and 1K sons and Death Guard each have their primarch. and Abaddon fills the role of "primarch" for the chaos marines book.

 Togusa wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
i'll snip this out ... helllo

What happened to the original picture in your post? I need to see it again because I'm not convinced those aren't new posessed in the background, but your original post just has a . in it now?

Pmd

 small_gods wrote:
Is it bad that gsc and nids can work together, is it bad that csm can bring some daemons?

I kind of liked how 6th edition did it, main army with warlord and allies allowed only in allied detachment. Would have solved a lot of issues current ally system has.

I also liked ally chart with some forces functioning badly together but alas, people with shaky headcanons and minmaxers whined relentlessly and it got deleted...

Wayniac wrote:
However it could be hard to tell, like with the Terminators who had to be scrutinized to determine they were new since they looked so close to the old ones.

What?

I am still puzzled some people could see identical helmets as opposed to varied old ones, tartaros twin autocannon instead of reaper gun, puny guns and less trophy variety, then look at swords and chainaxes and go 'yep, these are the exact same aright, nothing to see here'

I'm about 90% certain that the possessed and defiler are the old models.

Defiler looks a bit different because they've omitted the daemonic face shield behind the battle cannon and added smoke launchers on the shoulders.

On the upside, finally some rules that might make MEQ worth taking.

On the downside, did they REALLY have to steal the BT relic and just make it flat-out better? Our Chapter Tactic is already available for 10 points for anyone with the Mark of Khorne anyway.

Really hope that World Eaters get some sort of increased charge range stratagem like Bloodletters do. Berzerkers are plenty killy, they just need to get there reliably.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
On the upside, finally some rules that might make MEQ worth taking.

On the downside, did they REALLY have to steal the BT relic and just make it flat-out better? Our Chapter Tactic is already available for 10 points for anyone with the Mark of Khorne anyway.

Really hope that World Eaters get some sort of increased charge range stratagem like Bloodletters do. Berzerkers are plenty killy, they just need to get there reliably.

You probably need to factor in that you can make that Captain a Chapter Master and that I'm pretty sure that particular Renegade Chapter is stuck being Slaanesh.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
On the upside, finally some rules that might make MEQ worth taking.

On the downside, did they REALLY have to steal the BT relic and just make it flat-out better? Our Chapter Tactic is already available for 10 points for anyone with the Mark of Khorne anyway.

Really hope that World Eaters get some sort of increased charge range stratagem like Bloodletters do. Berzerkers are plenty killy, they just need to get there reliably.

You probably need to factor in that you can make that Captain a Chapter Master and that I'm pretty sure that particular Renegade Chapter is stuck being Slaanesh.

Whereas they can take it on a Daemon Prince, which is a better HQ than anything I could field.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
On the upside, finally some rules that might make MEQ worth taking.

On the downside, did they REALLY have to steal the BT relic and just make it flat-out better? Our Chapter Tactic is already available for 10 points for anyone with the Mark of Khorne anyway.

Really hope that World Eaters get some sort of increased charge range stratagem like Bloodletters do. Berzerkers are plenty killy, they just need to get there reliably.

You probably need to factor in that you can make that Captain a Chapter Master and that I'm pretty sure that particular Renegade Chapter is stuck being Slaanesh.

Whereas they can take it on a Daemon Prince, which is a better HQ than anything I could field.

Daemon Princes also can't do as much buffing. So that would basically be just an extra attack on something charging forward that doesn't buff much.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
On the upside, finally some rules that might make MEQ worth taking.

On the downside, did they REALLY have to steal the BT relic and just make it flat-out better? Our Chapter Tactic is already available for 10 points for anyone with the Mark of Khorne anyway.

Really hope that World Eaters get some sort of increased charge range stratagem like Bloodletters do. Berzerkers are plenty killy, they just need to get there reliably.

You probably need to factor in that you can make that Captain a Chapter Master and that I'm pretty sure that particular Renegade Chapter is stuck being Slaanesh.

Whereas they can take it on a Daemon Prince, which is a better HQ than anything I could field.

Daemon Princes also can't do as much buffing. So that would basically be just an extra attack on something charging forward that doesn't buff much.

The Flawless Cloak also works on auras, rather than "abilities on the models' data sheet" like the Helmet, which means it also works with Warlord traits and any other aura abilities that aren't on the model's datasheet. The fact that you go from 6" to 9" is also significant if you want to buff people who've assaulted from Deep Strike, but like you said they'll probably be locked to Slaanesh and thus won't be able to have a DP buff a Letterbomb from a more cozy distance.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
On the upside, finally some rules that might make MEQ worth taking.

On the downside, did they REALLY have to steal the BT relic and just make it flat-out better? Our Chapter Tactic is already available for 10 points for anyone with the Mark of Khorne anyway.

Really hope that World Eaters get some sort of increased charge range stratagem like Bloodletters do. Berzerkers are plenty killy, they just need to get there reliably.

Yeah, I noticed that. BT are increasingly only distinguished by the the Emperor's Champion and Crusader Squads. Even the recent Vigilus Sword Brethren only really helps in making a more killy Captain, and maaaybe a choppy Company vet unit (but that still has issues getting into CC compared to Vanguard Vets).

I did not see anyone post the entire new Dark Apostle image.

Not sure if that head is just badly painted or that derpy looking. Either way, probably better to have a helmet head-swap with it.

Really disappointing that they passed on the opportunity to revamp the codex and update the legion traits etc.

Such an awesome model range is quickly becoming overshadowed by a mediocre codex.

Sad that this "v2" CSM codex will be the exact same, but updated points values from CA2018 and the new datasheets. Functionally everything else will stay the same from a CSM meta pov

Back to the eye of terror lads, nothing to see here!

 NurglesR0T wrote:
Really disappointing that they passed on the opportunity to revamp the codex and update the legion traits etc.

Such an awesome model range is quickly becoming overshadowed by a mediocre codex.

Sad that this "v2" CSM codex will be the exact same, but updated points values from CA2018 and the new datasheets. Functionally everything else will stay the same from a CSM meta pov

Back to the eye of terror lads, nothing to see here!

Yep, except now you'll see every meta CSM list taking the "Disloyal 17" in a min Red Corsair battalion to max out on CP. While the traitor legions get gak on like usual.

Really really disappointed that this isn't a real v2 codex. Especially after seeing the Renegade previews where they are actually getting better rules than the traitor legions.

 NurglesR0T wrote:
Really disappointing that they passed on the opportunity to revamp the codex and update the legion traits etc.

Such an awesome model range is quickly becoming overshadowed by a mediocre codex.

Sad that this "v2" CSM codex will be the exact same, but updated points values from CA2018 and the new datasheets. Functionally everything else will stay the same from a CSM meta pov

Back to the eye of terror lads, nothing to see here!

couldn't agree more, was tempted to start a chaos army when I saw that amazing new abaddon mini, but upon learning the no revised rules I'm out, and its a shame, Chaos has always for me been the coolest, still holding out hope for Ec...one day

 Alexonian wrote:

 NurglesR0T wrote:
Really disappointing that they passed on the opportunity to revamp the codex and update the legion traits etc.

Such an awesome model range is quickly becoming overshadowed by a mediocre codex.

Sad that this "v2" CSM codex will be the exact same, but updated points values from CA2018 and the new datasheets. Functionally everything else will stay the same from a CSM meta pov

Back to the eye of terror lads, nothing to see here!

couldn't agree more, was tempted to start a chaos army when I saw that amazing new abaddon mini, but upon learning the no revised rules I'm out, and its a shame, Chaos has always for me been the coolest, still holding out hope for Ec...one day

I'm hoping they suprise us and legions get some new tactics to make em worthwhile against renegade chapters

I wouldn't get your hopes up on that front.