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Wayniac wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I think I like him? It's nicely posed, but almost looks like an AoS/40k mashup conversion. A good one like, but a conversion all the same.

But....top left. New Terminator Armoured Chaos Lord?

Very hard to tell. That doesn't look like the current guy (despite us having seen the current model in the Night Lords article) but he doesn't quite look like a Terminator either. His pose kind of reminds me of the old metal Chaos Lord. Could it be a new non-Terminator Lord?

Looks to be stood on the spiky rock from the current termi lord kit, likewise the axe looks very similar. Could be a slight kitbash with new terminator parts?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

But....top left. New Terminator Armoured Chaos Lord?

Pretty sure that is the current terminator lord.

I'm not sure about the lord of executions. It feels like more of the same for chaos (cc units).

 Kanluwen wrote:

Spoiler:

Lord Executioner!

Ah he's great!

I've been trying not to go nuts and restart a Chaos army. GW are slowly breaking my will.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I think I like him? It's nicely posed, but almost looks like an AoS/40k mashup conversion. A good one like, but a conversion all the same.

But....top left. New Terminator Armoured Chaos Lord?

That's the Lord Discordant.

Negative, Ghostrider. No way.

Depending on the price, the Executioner might even be a better countercharge model than the Greater Possessed.

Seems to be the old guy, just maybe with better posing.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
On the subject of the Imperium not having anything like those disciples:

Spoiler:

That is all.

Grimaldus is a particular special character.

That is all.

The argument was that the Imperium doesn't have anything like those disciples. I only need to provide one particular example to debunk that statement. It's a type example of why absolute statements generally are inadvisable.

The World Eaters Rules are dissapointing. All this "Kill characters better" stuff seems really situational and weak.

I Dont see any reason at all to not run Khorne Berserkers as Red Corsairs to make them much better as WEs.

I know it's not conclusive, but the Chaos Terminator Lord is showing as 'No Longer Available Online'. Ditto Termies, Abadave, Chaos Lord (Power Armour) and Dark Apostle (which is a shame. I like the Dark Apostle)

Suggestive this may very well be an entirely new model?

stormcraft wrote:
The World Eaters Rules are dissapointing. All this "Kill characters better" stuff seems really situational and weak.

I Dont see any reason at all to not run Khorne Berserkers as Red Corsairs to make them much better as WEs.

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They're not Troops for the Red Corsairs. That makes quite a difference.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Depending on the price, the Executioner might even be a better countercharge model than the Greater Possessed.

He seems like the GSC locus. GW really like adding these cheap character hunting combat characters all of a sudden. He's probably similar to a company champion in the DA book. I doubt I'd favor hm over the greater possessed unless points are an issue because 10:1 he only has 3 swings with that axe and no aura. That said, there is strategy in taking lots of cheap semi killy HQ's so you can take advantage of the character rules for targeting.


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stormcraft wrote:
The World Eaters Rules are dissapointing. All this "Kill characters better" stuff seems really situational and weak.

I Dont see any reason at all to not run Khorne Berserkers as Red Corsairs to make them much better as WEs.

Yea, advance and charge makes berserkers way more threatening.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I know it's not conclusive, but the Chaos Terminator Lord is showing as 'No Longer Available Online'. Ditto Termies, Abadave, Chaos Lord (Power Armour) and Dark Apostle (which is a shame. I like the Dark Apostle)

Suggestive this may very well be an entirely new model?

If your referring to that blurry model still it isn't. I have built 5 of those kits, it's definitely the generic old multi part chaos lord in terminator armor and to his right is a blurry forgefiend. They may release a new model however, but that picture is definitely not proof of anything.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I know it's not conclusive, but the Chaos Terminator Lord is showing as 'No Longer Available Online'. Ditto Termies, Abadave, Chaos Lord (Power Armour) and Dark Apostle (which is a shame. I like the Dark Apostle)

Suggestive this may very well be an entirely new model?

The Lord is probably getting a reboxing to make him Black Legion instead of Crimson Slaughter.

The lord in power armor though who knows since that's still metal as far as I know.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
On the subject of the Imperium not having anything like those disciples:

Spoiler:

That is all.

Grimaldus is a particular special character.

That is all.

The argument was that the Imperium doesn't have anything like those disciples. I only need to provide one particular example to debunk that statement. It's a type example of why absolute statements generally are inadvisable.

That 'absolute statement' already had an acknowledgment of that particular exception.

I would not be surprised if the new Terminator box replces both the old one and the Terminator Lord. It's not hard to imagine that in addition to updating the sculpt, and adding options they didn't have before (like Combi-Plasmas and maybe lightning claws) you can just make one of them into a Terminator Lord.

Although Wayniac is probably right in that it's just getting a rebox

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"you know what everyone wants for their Khorne daemons?"

"Uh...well I'd love a way for my army to actually work as an army instead of a deep strike tack-on ally, maybe something so my rank and file troops aren't made of paper AND super slow when not deep striking?"

"no, a ranged attack!

Eh?

Eh?"

so chaos got a poormans? maybe version of
emperor's champion

ugh.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

stormcraft wrote:
The World Eaters Rules are dissapointing. All this "Kill characters better" stuff seems really situational and weak.

I Dont see any reason at all to not run Khorne Berserkers as Red Corsairs to make them much better as WEs.

'
They're not Troops for the Red Corsairs. That makes quite a difference.

None of these changes are new either, the renegades trait was always better for them imo. World Eaters love a good suicide delivery box as well, get a rhino banged up as possible, barrel it forwards in movement and get it killed in overwatch on the charge, surviving marines disembark a little closer and charge in. The alternative is to give a rhino dual combi-plas and rapid fire the overcharged plasma in the shooting phase to try and gib itself after moving unless they fixed that?

random ideas I came up with in 2 seconds that would help khorne daemon armies more than this crap:

1) A stratagem that lets me move a unit directly towards the nearest enemy unit after taking 1 or more casualties: Bezerk Bloodrage, 1CP

2) A warlord trait that grants a +1T aura, changing the line infantry from T3 5++ 7-point infantry that can't benefit from cover to quasi-functional T4 5++ 7-point infantry.

3) A relic called "Coward's Demise" that grants Khorne models within 6" the ability to make an attack against any enemy model that falls back within 1" of them.

Eugh, yet another ugly monopose character that looks like it was designed for sigmar, then 40kified. Can they not be bothered to put the tiniest amount of basic customisation potential in their sculpts?

Is it my imagination, or does it look like that terminator with the auto cannon is running? Or maybe just a bad photoshop removed one of his legs?

Nevermind, I think it's just the angle he's standing hides one of his legs behind the other.

New Dark Apostle if no one has posted it yet.




Better picture of the new Dark Apostle, AND Havoks!!!!.

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
Eugh, yet another ugly monopose character that looks like it was designed for sigmar, then 40kified. Can they not be bothered to put the tiniest amount of basic customisation potential in their sculpts?

Seemingly not. That went away a long time ago, sadly. I hate the plethora of monopose sculpts they keep putting out.

Wayniac wrote:

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
Eugh, yet another ugly monopose character that looks like it was designed for sigmar, then 40kified. Can they not be bothered to put the tiniest amount of basic customisation potential in their sculpts?

Seemingly not. That went away a long time ago, sadly. I hate the plethora of monopose sculpts they keep putting out.

I understand this to a point but the character has 1 load out and you're not likely to have multiples in most cases, it's not worth making a complex multi-part in that scenario.

looks like a vigilis article up next

Well that last pic does prove it's the old Terminator Lord, since it's clearer. He does look to be the same size as the new terminators though.

i highlight this

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I think I like him? It's nicely posed, but almost looks like an AoS/40k mashup conversion. A good one like, but a conversion all the same.

But....top left. New Terminator Armoured Chaos Lord?

That's the Lord Discordant.

Nah the lord Discordant has a halberd and doesn't have a dark angel helmet on a trophy rack, also it doesn't have a trophy rack.

 Latro_ wrote:
i highlight this

Havocs in the first, second one I think is the Terminator champion.

Wow, look at that battle of order for the chaos side. Abbadon has brought just about all the legions plus all the notable renegade warbands to Vigilus. He really wants to make sure Vigilus burns!

The Brazen skull strategem amuses me, something about a daemon just stooping down and throwing a random skull at someone like its a monkey in a zoo sounds really goofy.